Tambling/Franklin

[celtic_pride]

LOL at Ranger ..
Leunberger, Josh Kennedy, and farren Ray are all far superior players to Tampon...

stop living in a denial, he is the Sam Bowie of the AFL (remember the Blazers passed on Jordan to pick that dud ...
Richard Tambling, thy name is dud.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

This thread is totally absurd. Look at Buddy's achievements thus far. It is very hard to tell how good a player will be before their career starts. Some people must have rated Fiora above Pavlich in their draft. I think we all know who we would choose with the benefit of hindisght now. Same goes for Buddy, I would much prefer him to Tambling and this isnt just from the perspective of a tall starved bulldog supporter. Buddy has performed far better throughout his career than Tambling. Tambling is good though

 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

LOL at Ranger ..
Leunberger, Josh Kennedy, and farren Ray are all far superior players to Tampon...

stop living in a denial, he is the Sam Bowie of the AFL (remember the Blazers passed on Jordan to pick that dud ...
Richard Tambling, thy name is dud.

All of you are too quick to judge. Maybe because I'm older than a lot of you and can remember the under 19's and reserves. Tambling, in those days, would have been just coming out of the under 19's and nothing much would have been expected of such a young player. Today everyone expects players to be superstars by the age of 20. There are some who do, but the majority of players do not blossom until well into their 20's.

Come back in two seasons and let's revisit this thread. You may well be correct and he turns out to be a dud, but I feel he is on the verge of something special. Just call it a hunch!

 

[Jock]

Tambling will be a good solid player for the tigers if he can get over his hammies.
Worthy of lets say a 25 - 30th draft pick.

 

[the ranger]

lol games played doesn't exactly cut it for mine..

I wasn't using the number of games played to rate them. I just included it because it's of some interest.

As for giving them another 2-3 years, well that was kind of my point in the first place (that Tambling deserves more time before being labeled a bust).

 

[serpico66]

These Tambling v Franklin posts are boring

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Just call it a hunch!

Or we could just call it Bias from a one-eyed Richmond supporter.

 

[the ranger]

LOL at Ranger ..
Leunberger, Josh Kennedy, and farren Ray are all far superior players to Tampon...

Not sure about "far superior" (esp. Kennedy), but do you honestly think Tambling is worse than Livingston and Walsh? LOL at you if you think Tambling is the worst top five pick this millennium.

stop living in a denial, he is the Sam Bowie of the AFL (remember the Blazers passed on Jordan to pick that dud ...

Bowie wasn't a dud, he just had dodgy knees. And if the Blazers had picked Jordan then it's most likely that neither Jordan nor Clyde Drexler would have developed into two of the greatest players ever. The Blazers had All-Star Jim Paxson and Drexler already at shooting guard. They needed a big man. They'd have loved to get Olajuwan but lost the coin toss, so it was Bowie. Another unfairly ridiculed draft decision.

 

[the ranger]

This thread is totally absurd. Look at Buddy's achievements thus far. It is very hard to tell how good a player will be before their career starts. Some people must have rated Fiora above Pavlich in their draft. I think we all know who we would choose with the benefit of hindisght now. Same goes for Buddy, I would much prefer him to Tambling and this isnt just from the perspective of a tall starved bulldog supporter. Buddy has performed far better throughout his career than Tambling. Tambling is good though

I'm basically saying the same thing as you are so I'm not sure why you think the thread is absurd. Tambling still has the potential to be special while Buddy has already shown that he is, but we're only three years into their careers. Ten years from now, Tambling could be a 250 game player while Buddy is talked about as a wasted talent. It's much too early to decide who was the better pick.

 

[the ranger]

These Tambling v Franklin posts are boring

It's not a Tambling vs Franklin thread. It's a thread about how other teams wanted Tambling at the time and how it's much too early to say Richmond made the wrong selection.

 

[bluespooner]

I'm basically saying the same thing as you are so I'm not sure why you think the thread is absurd. Tambling still has the potential to be special while Buddy has already shown that he is, but we're only three years into their careers. Ten years from now, Tambling could be a 250 game player while Buddy is talked about as a wasted talent. It's much too early to decide who was the better pick.

The thread is absurd - its like comparing Jim Higgs to Bradman for batmanship. The jury has already convened and it is clear that Richmond made a monumental recruiting blunder.

Tambling does not have the talent or ability to even get close to what Buddy has already achieved. And that is premised on Tambling getting to play 10 years and 100 games; as I've no doubt he will but not because he will earn those games rather that Richmond will not want to make their blunder more transparent then what it already is.

I know its painful for Richmond supporters everytime you see Buddy performing match winning feats, especially when there compared against Tambling's modest efforts to date but you have to try and move on. Remaining bitter for the next 10 years won't help the situation.

 

[smithos]

Hawthorn supporters gave it to Richmond supporters because of the way they carried on boasting about Hawthorn passing on the second best player in the draft. You reap what you sow tigerfans.

 

[future jed]

Tambling>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Franklin- refer to this post when tambling is a gun at the end of september next year.

 

[artman]

Every team has blunders, its just that Richmond have made 2 top 5 blunders since the draft was introduced.
Fiora over Pavlich
Tambling over Franklin

Deledio is a gun though.

 

[Jimthegreat]

After reading the millionth person bag the tiges for taking Bling over Buddy, I went for a look in the BF archives...Now personally I think Bling is going to be a very good player and Franklin may end up being more trouble than he's worth....but let's have a look at what people were saying in 2004 before the draft

From the Hawthorn board:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135957&highlight=tambling+franklin

"Franklin i hope will be given a wide birth @ all costs"
"We'll get one of Tambling, Griffen and Deledio at pick 2."
"im undecided with tambling or griffen at 2 if deledio goes 1, but leaning toward tambling cos there is no homesick factor and he sounds like the kind of player who brings people to the ground"
"Tambling >> Griffin >> Deledio"
"the safe bet would be with Deledio, or if the tiges take him, probably Tambling"
"we take the best available at pick 2 which is
Deledio>Tambling>Griffen"
"Tambling is my choice for pick 2"
"I hope to god Richmond take Franklin"

From the Bulldogs board:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=130508&highlight=tambling+franklin

" I will be more than happy to pick up Tambling."
"If tambling is available grab him"
" Cooney, Ray, Tambling, Cross, Faulkner - gun midfield in the making."
"MY choice would be Tambling and Roughhead!!!!!!!!"
"If Tambling is still available at 6 then pick him up"
"I would be happy to take tambling at 3"
"I think we should take either Tambling and Roughead, otherwise Tambling and Willits"
" Don't want an ordinary good player, want a player who can turn on the extraordinary. Tambling seems to fit this bill."

Then once the draft was done...some Hawks weren't happy:

"We have picked roughead at 2 instead of griffen,tambling, Pick 5 franklin
Great move by our recruting managers agian
Pick the best ********in player avelable
this is a ********in joke"
"Bloody hawthorn finds another way to stuff the year up"
"i'm still in shock, had to have gone tambling then franklin!"
" I can't believe the club overlooked BOTH Tambling & Griffen!!!"
"Im not exactly pleased. Watch Tambling become a star and Bucky be sacked"
"Disappointed to miss Tambling"
"Not over the moon with Roughhead instead of Tambling"
" I am pretty disappointed we missed out on Tambling"
"Tambling will be a star"


so, um...shut up already

What silly bigfooty posters think means nothing. It's the recruiting dept with the inside knowledge that supposedly have alot more of an idea. There the only one's that count. And, as per usual, Richmond ****** up!!!!!!!! But they make a habit of that don't they.

 

[Jimthegreat]

My opinion carries more weight because I go to all the games and see him live, not because I'm a Richmond supporter. Do not forget, when you are at the game you also see what the tv viewer is seeing (on the big screens around the ground) as well as what you want to see.

And the second point is hardly relevant to the discussion especially coming from a supporter that follows what is universally accepted to have been the worst performed team in the last 6 years. Barring 2004, Carlton has not been able to win more than four games in a year in that time. Thats what I call a disaster. And less chance of monumental stuff ups are more up Tankton's alley. Which team has had all those No. 1 draft choices recently?

I rest my case your Honour!

coming from a supporter of a team that's bneen the worst in the last 25 years. 2 finals appearances, one less than Fitzroy in the same period.

I rest my case.

 

[BETON5]

coming from a supporter of a team that's bneen the worst in the last 25 years. 2 finals appearances, one less than Fitzroy in the same period.

I rest my case.

Franklin by a country mile he is a match winner!!!! TAMBLING is just hanging on in richmonds 22.

 

[artman]

Franklin by a country mile he is a match winner!!!! TAMBLING is just hanging on in richmonds 22.

Which is not difficult to do.

 

[JSFish]

Franklin by a country mile he is a match winner!!!! TAMBLING is just hanging on in richmonds 22.

Yeah Franklin's a match winner. What about roughead? Yeah he might be a little better than Tambling now, but he was taken pick 2 by hawthorn over franklin as well, so it's not like richmond are the only team that draft that overlooked franklin.

 

[artman]

Yeah Franklin's a match winner. What about roughead? Yeah he might be a little better than Tambling now, but he was taken pick 2 by hawthorn over franklin as well, so it's not like richmond are the only team that draft that overlooked franklin.

Yes but Richmond overlooked him 2 times to Hawthorns 1.

 

[JSFish]

Deledio was hardly even debatable at the time, basically everyone knew he was going number 1. The match in i think it was round 22 between richmond and hawthorn was even called the 'deledio cup' by some as whoever lost the match would get pick number one and hence deledio

 

[artman]

No doubt about it, if Hawthorn had the number 1 they would most certainly have picked Deledio and a Kpp with the next 2 picks.
Would wonder what the top 5 would have been if the hawks had the 1st.

1.Deledio
2.Tambling
3.Roughead (heard the dogs were keen on him at the time)
4.Franklin
5.Griffen

 

[the ranger]

What silly bigfooty posters think means nothing. It's the recruiting dept with the inside knowledge that supposedly have alot more of an idea. There the only one's that count. And, as per usual, Richmond ****** up!!!!!!!! But they make a habit of that don't they.

Here are some top ten pick "**** ups" of 1996-2003 (it's much too early to judge the class of 2004 and later):

Adelaide: Lawrence Angwin (7)
Brisbane: Rory Hilton (3)
Carlton: Kris Massie (7), Murray Vance (6), Luke Livingston (4)
Collingwood: Danny Roach (7)
Essendon: Daniel McAllister (5), Mark Bolton (4), Kepler Bradley (6)
Footscray: Tim Walsh (4)
Fremantle: Ryley Dunn (10)
Geelong: Leigh Brockman (8)
Hawthorn: Luke Brennan (8)
Melbourne: Luke Molan (9)
North: Dylan Smith (6), David Trotter (9)
Port: John Rombotis (6), Bowen Lockwood (7), Mark Harwood (9), Michael Stevens (5)
Richmond: Aaron Fiora (3)
St Kilda: Caydn Beetham (9), Raphael Clarke (8)
Sydney: Mark Kinnear (4), Ryan Fitzgerald (4)
West Coast: Brandon Hill (10), Andrew McDougal (5)

As you can see, every team has at least one. Carlton, Essendon and Port are actually the worst at drafting in the top ten over that 8 year period (3 of Port's 4 stinkers coming in the one draft). Fiora was Richmond's only obviously bad choice and he's still better than just about anyone else on this list. It's only a big deal because Pavlich was taken next.

 

[Bluebear]

Have you seen Kris Massie in recent years?
To put him on that list is a joke, but I expect no better.

Just for the record, Massie beat Franklin badly during this season, and has become a very good running HBF.

 

[the ranger]

Franklin by a country mile he is a match winner!!!! TAMBLING is just hanging on in richmonds 22.

You knob. It's not a "who's better?" thread. It's a "shutup, your team would have done the same thing and anyway they're still just kids and we don't know what people will be saying five years from now" thread.