Traded Taylor Adams [traded to Sydney for pick #33]

[IBA]

Wonder how we can use the additional cash from Adams' salary.

We already had a bit of a war chest (500 - 600k) from going after Doedee.

With another 700 - 800k from Adams, we have money to go after a high level player (e.g. Haynes, unfortunately he might re-sign). Trade capital might be a bit of an issue though.

 

[Caligo]

Don’t know if this is allowed. But I wonder if they’ll give Adams on the cheap in exchange for them picking up the remainder of the Grundy contract

I believe that is allowed, yes.

 

[IBA]

I believe that is allowed, yes.

That's a fair arrangement, however that would mean we have 600k (Doedee) + 800k (Adams) + 300k (Grundy) = $1.7m freed up.

Not sure why we need to do that with no big fish on the market, unless it's for someone like Nick Haynes (albeit unlikely).

Maybe we are looking to take on Wines / Billings at full salary but minimal trade capital?

 

[SGBeach]

Don’t know if this is allowed. But I wonder if they’ll give Adams on the cheap in exchange for them picking up the remainder of the Grundy contract

I reckon its just as likely that you give Adams on the cheap because he is on a back ended contract .. ie.. hes Overpaid next year

To take Adams and Grundys contract off your hands.. what picks would you give the Swans?

That's a fair arrangement, however that would mean we have 600k (Doedee) + 800k (Adams) + 300k (Grundy) = $1.7m freed up.

Not sure why we need to do that with no big fish on the market, unless it's for someone like Nick Haynes (albeit unlikely).

Maybe we are looking to take on Wines / Billings at full salary but minimal trade capital?

 

[Matrix10]

McInnes has every attribute to play the same role, if you are talking about the pressure forward / 30% mid role.

Much faster, perhaps a little weaker in the midfield, but has every scope to develop into an equal replacement for Adams

He really doesn’t have any of the the attributes of pressure forward of Adams, Not even close , how the heck did you come up with that observation about McInnes. Chalk and cheese , Reef is a lead up forward , that is all at the moment , if/when he builds his tank , he has the scope to be a part time burst through outside mid .

 

[VinnieB]

McInnes has every attribute to play the same role, if you are talking about the pressure forward / 30% mid role.

Much faster, perhaps a little weaker in the midfield, but has every scope to develop into an equal replacement for Adams

Hope so. He hasn’t shown any tackling, contested ball winning or clearance ability as yet. But yes, he is faster.

 

[VinnieB]

I reckon its just as likely that you give Adams on the cheap because he is on a back ended contract .. ie.. hes Overpaid next year

To take Adams and Grundys contract off your hands.. what picks would you give the Swans?

Is his contract heavily backended? How much is it this year and what will it be next season?

 

[bluespooner]

Top 5 player in the game for assists and ‘elite’ for tackles playing forward.

Big loss for us. A contested winning beast, I’m not sure how we are going to replace in 2024.

A marginal player, who couldn't make collingwood's grand final side even as a sub or an emergency. Luminaries like Noble, Ginnivan, Macrae, Hoskin-Elliott and Lipinski were preferred over selecting him.

At 30 years of age being a poor kick and not being having any stand out qualities; and has been pointed out not best 22; pretty much means you have zero trade value.

But keep trying to inflate average collingwood scrubbers as 'a' grade talent, it's at least entertaining reading your hypocrisy.

 

[SGBeach]

Is his contract heavily backended? How much is it this year and what will it be next season?

No idea how much hes getting paid? I heard in the AFL media last week that he had a back ended contract. No reason why thats not true.
I imagine the Swans would sign him for 3 years (ideally 2) and smooth out that contract. Regardless, if he is on a back ended contract, hes likely to be overpaid next year.
Hes 30, struggles with injury, and has been pushed out of his preferred position at the Pies. He'll be very handy at the Swans for 1-2 years (if he stays fit???), so how much is a good, injury prone, expensive player that only has 1-2 years left worth?

I dont know, but I get the feeling that collingwood are happy to get the contract off their books

 

[IBA]

A marginal player, who couldn't make collingwood's grand final side even as a sub or an emergency. Luminaries like Noble, Ginnivan, Macrae, Hoskin-Elliott and Lipinski were preferred over selecting him.

At 30 years of age being a poor kick and not being having any stand out qualities; and has been pointed out not best 22; pretty much means you have zero trade value.

But keep trying to inflate average collingwood scrubbers as 'a' grade talent, it's at least entertaining reading your hypocrisy.

what?... he was injured....

are you trying to discredit yourself?

talking about hypocricy...

 

[Matrix10]

Is his contract heavily backended? How much is it this year and what will it be next season?

1.1 million backended

 

[PantyYoghurt]

I reckon its just as likely that you give Adams on the cheap because he is on a back ended contract .. ie.. hes Overpaid next year

To take Adams and Grundys contract off your hands.. what picks would you give the Swans?

Would you take our first round pick? Would that be enough? Maybe we can throw in our future first round pick aswell to get it done?

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Played 23 games this year and had an extremely minor hamstring just before the preliminary final. Almost got up for the grand final. Was a shame he was not a premiership player. I wouldnt trade him to Sydney if it was my choice. He is the exact player they need to win it next year and why would we let that happen.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

No idea how much hes getting paid? I heard in the AFL media last week that he had a back ended contract. No reason why thats not true.
I imagine the Swans would sign him for 3 years (ideally 2) and smooth out that contract. Regardless, if he is on a back ended contract, hes likely to be overpaid next year.
Hes 30, struggles with injury, and has been pushed out of his preferred position at the Pies. He'll be very handy at the Swans for 1-2 years (if he stays fit???), so how much is a good, injury prone, expensive player that only has 1-2 years left worth?

I dont know, but I get the feeling that collingwood are happy to get the contract off their books

If we payed his salary next year would we get pick 11? Personally I wouldnt trade him. He was great for us this year, played almost the perfect role. One of our best forwards and we could swing him into the midfield when required to run over the top of teams in the forth quarter, which we did a lot.

 

[Chronz]

A marginal player, who couldn't make collingwood's grand final side even as a sub or an emergency. Luminaries like Noble, Ginnivan, Macrae, Hoskin-Elliott and Lipinski were preferred over selecting him.

At 30 years of age being a poor kick and not being having any stand out qualities; and has been pointed out not best 22; pretty much means you have zero trade value.

But keep trying to inflate average collingwood scrubbers as 'a' grade talent, it's at least entertaining reading your hypocrisy.

You can't be serious?

 

[Juniorvicepres]

A marginal player, who couldn't make collingwood's grand final side even as a sub or an emergency. Luminaries like Noble, Ginnivan, Macrae, Hoskin-Elliott and Lipinski were preferred over selecting him.

At 30 years of age being a poor kick and not being having any stand out qualities; and has been pointed out not best 22; pretty much means you have zero trade value.

But keep trying to inflate average collingwood scrubbers as 'a' grade talent, it's at least entertaining reading your hypocrisy.

You tried to make yourself sound like you know what you’re talking about whilst also showing you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Entertaining reading indeed.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

One of the worst kicks in the league. His turnovers are brutal. I'll be glad if Collingwood moves him on.

 

[Rusty Beam]

One of the worst kicks in the league. His turnovers are brutal. I'll be glad if Collingwood moves him on.

No doubt it has been an issue for a long time. But his kicking this year going into the forward line was actually really underrated. Hence his scoring assists.

And for all this talk about his being ‘pushed’ out of the midfield, personally I think that it was moreso that the coaches really wanted to share the inside role with Mitchell, as it suited the game plan better.

He just had better forward capacity than Mitchell and hence spent a bit more time there.

Illustrated by the fact that whenever Mitchell was going like a busted and was subbed, Adams was straight back into the guts as the inside grunt.

IMO there are very few players who can perform that dual role as well as he did this year.

 

[VinnieB]

A marginal player, who couldn't make collingwood's grand final side even as a sub or an emergency. Luminaries like Noble, Ginnivan, Macrae, Hoskin-Elliott and Lipinski were preferred over selecting him.

At 30 years of age being a poor kick and not being having any stand out qualities; and has been pointed out not best 22; pretty much means you have zero trade value.

But keep trying to inflate average collingwood scrubbers as 'a' grade talent, it's at least entertaining reading your hypocrisy.

Are you still upset because I disagreed with you that your Jason Koschitzke isn’t worthy of a high draft pick? You know, that guy who spends most of his time playing for Box Hill and can’t get a game in one of the worst forward lines in the game and who are in separate need for a key forward….

And Adams did his hamstring and ruled himself out of the GF. Noble and MaCrae didn’t even play in the GF.

Adams top 5 in the game for goal assists. Rated ‘elite’ for tackles and score involvements playing a new role half forward.

Your post is just embarrassing…..

 

[FreeAgent1]

Worth more to the swans than the pies.

Will show how much pies value their young VFL midfielders, as the age, $$$ and list composition this move makes sense for everyone….

 

[Swanssince91]

Worth more to the swans than the pies.

Will show how much pies value their young VFL midfielders, as the age, $$$ and list composition this move makes sense for everyone….

You would assume he wouldn't earn a heap, this would be more about extending his career

 

[VinnieB]

No idea how much hes getting paid? I heard in the AFL media last week that he had a back ended contract. No reason why thats not true.
I imagine the Swans would sign him for 3 years (ideally 2) and smooth out that contract. Regardless, if he is on a back ended contract, hes likely to be overpaid next year.
Hes 30, struggles with injury, and has been pushed out of his preferred position at the Pies. He'll be very handy at the Swans for 1-2 years (if he stays fit???), so how much is a good, injury prone, expensive player that only has 1-2 years left worth?

I dont know, but I get the feeling that collingwood are happy to get the contract off their books

I haven’t said how much he is worth. I don’t know to be honest. All I have said is that he is a good player and would be a good bet for the Swans. 90% of Pie fans would be sad to see him go, but wouldn’t begrudge him.

Yes Mitchell pushed him out from his preferred position and it’s a credit to him that he went to half forward and was top 5 in the game for goal assists and rates elite for tackles. He is a contested beast and still a good clearance player.
He played 23 games this year and 18 last season.

I don’t think the Pies would stand in his way if he chose to leave and would make it easy to support his move. He would be hard to replace, but we have kids sitting in the VFL who we really need to give game time to.

I think we would be happy to get a second round pick which is likely to be in the 30s. Maybe it could be a swap of picks or maybe a player. If we want to move the backended contract off, probably take even less.

I doubt the Pies would drive a hard bargain. Graham Wright tends to get things done quickly at trade time.

 

[PantyYoghurt]

I haven’t said how much he is worth. I don’t know to be honest. All I have said is that he is a good player and would be a good bet for the Swans. 90% of Pie fans would be sad to see him go, but wouldn’t begrudge him.

Yes Mitchell pushed him out from his preferred position and it’s a credit to him that he went to half forward and was top 5 in the game for goal assists and rates elite for tackles. He is a contested beast and still a good clearance player.
He played 23 games this year and 18 last season.

I don’t think the Pies would stand in his way if he chose to leave and would make it easy to support his move. He would be hard to replace, but we have kids sitting in the VFL who we really need to give game time to.

I think we would be happy to get a second round pick which is likely to be in the 30s. Maybe it could be a swap of picks or maybe a player. If we want to move the backended contract off, probably take even less.

I doubt the Pies would drive a hard bargain. Graham Wright tends to get things done quickly at trade time.

Why would we need to give game time to kids?

 

[VinnieB]

Why would we need to give game time to kids?

Anyone question you about your name?

If you keep guys like MaCrae, McInness, Allen etc in the VFL, they don’t get the opportunity to properly develop and step in to the positions on retiring players. Or they’ll seek opportunities elsewhere.
Did I really need to spell that out?

 

[PantyYoghurt]

Anyone question you about your name?

If you keep guys like MaCrae, McInness, Allen etc in the VFL, they don’t get the opportunity to properly develop and step in to the positions on retiring players. Or they’ll seek opportunities elsewhere.
Did I really need to spell that out?

Are we in the business of winning premierships or gifting games to kids?