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NO TROLLS Taylor Walker racial slur
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Yep - saying racist things does make you racist. But you can learn and stop being a racist. Saying one racist thing doesn't make you a racist for life.
Being racist is a point in time thing ... just that some people have a lot of points on the graph with no desire for a terminal point.
I like to think of not being racist as a sustained competency
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...and JD kicks a bag with three Brownlow votes. Tex kicks the winner after the siren.
I’ve interviewed a few Indigenous people regarding their thoughts after Tex’s slur, and most thought he made an idiotic mistake. No one wanted him banned from footy.
Yes, racism hurts and should be stamped out. However, a person should be judged on their overall actions and not just a one-liner in the heat of a competition.
I’ll be the first to admit that I say a lot of naughty words to the umpires during games, but I’ll gladly shake their hands if I meet anyone of them umps.
This now seems to me like a blessing in disguise. Tex being a prominent figure, is likely to make people take more notice of the incident and how they should correct themselves where applicable regarding racism. The fact the Aboriginal community can still accept Tex despite the misdemeanour, is a sign that unity should be the end outcome, not further fueled hatred.
Seeing photos of Aboriginal kids still wanting get around him and his own Aboriginal team mates accept him is good.
I watched the Eddie Betts interview for his 350th game last night, and Eddie talked about his time here and how his kids loved being around Tex. Didnt need to mention Tex This was recorded after the slur was made public. Seems Eddie still considers him a mate.
If the people his slur affected the most can accept his mistake, we all should.
This cost Tex an AA spot and the Coleman medal. He paid the price. And will come out of it a better person.
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I watched the Eddie Betts interview for his 350th game last night, and Eddie talked about his time here and how his kids loved being around Tex. Didnt need to mention Tex This was recorded after the slur was made public. Seems Eddie still considers him a mate.
If the people his slur affected the most can accept his mistake, we all should.
This cost Tex an AA spot and the Coleman medal. He paid the price. And will come out of it a better person.
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It took someone outside his group to call it out. Seems Crouch wasn't going to.
Cost him a squad spot, but doubtful he'd made the side. Doubtful he'd have won the Coleman based on his last half of the year either. Cost him the opportunity to win it, that's as far as you can genuinely go.
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What is a racist? Everyone has prejudices, we all have have ugly thoughts sometimes. A racist is someone who doesn’t think their ugly thoughts are wrong, and for that reason acts on them, by saying or doing things that hurt ppl (materially or their feelings) because of their race.
What about someone who does or says such a thing, but regrets it? I dunno if that person should be called a racist.
I think its unfair to make something like this so black and white. To be something in every aspect of life, you have to do it more then once. You aren't a runner just by running to catch the train. You dont live a healthy lifestyle by eating a carrot once a week. You aren't a vegan if you still eat meat, even if you talk like a vegan. I just don't see how saying something just once in a way that was never intended to hurt, oppress or kill the person of the race in question makes you a racist when that justification doesn't apply to anything else in life. Just an observation, I believe the term Racist is thrown around too much by people looking to avoid the uncomfortable conversations and its a very easy way of tearing someone down to make the accuser appear superior. Its such a horrible and evil thing to be described as and i don't believe any normal modern human being would like to be called a racist with all the education around.
Mistakes happen. Without more evidence on Taylor's character, in regards to this being a pattern I can't see the justification to torch his character by labelling him a racist on the back of a single comment made privately. I don't think it serves the discussion and education process to absolutely torch someone's character in this context. The focus shouldn't be on labelling Tex a racist, the focus and education should be on the language he used and how its hurtful to Indigenous Australians.
Stealing something doesn't make you a thief?
Being unfaithful once doesn't make you a cheater?
Lying doesn't make you a liar?
Having a drink and driving doesn't make you a drink driver?
Belittling women doesn't make you a misogynist?
Not liking someone because they are gay doesn't make you homophobic?
Saying racist things doesn't make you a racist.
It certainly doesn't make you a bad person.
It shouldn't be held against you, especially if you say it behind closed doors.
Do you see the problem here?
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As I said, you are trying to paint a difficult grey issue into a black and white corner. You also used premeditated acts for the examples. Also everyone lies. Based on your assumptions then Tex would have to have walked out onto the oval thinking exactly that, and think I am going to tell Crouch all about it. To me, the way it was described by people who heard it, he said it in the context of lacking a decent adjective. Poor vocab was more the cause combined with ignorance. He has also been held accountable, what he said was undeniably hurtful, but i still dont see the need to character assassinate him. It serves no point in the education process other than to make one feel morally superior. Agree to disagree I guess.
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So does saying stupid things make you stupid?
How about violent things like "I'll kill that kid when he gets home". Make you a killer?
I get where he is coming from. I just don't see the evidence of it being not only a premeditated hateful statement but a pattern of Tex as a person. No one has come forward to crucify him from his past to indicate that what Tex said was a pattern of behaviour. I just don't believe character assassination is of benefit on this issue until a pattern emerges.
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That is the problem with the cancel culture in that allows no margin for human error or compromise. Its all or nothing and its dangerous.
Just highlighting this sentence, swapping the word "gay" for "indigenous" - I don't think Tex disliked the bloke because he was indigenous, he disliked him because of his behaviour. I don't think Tex believes he's superior to indigenous people, which is what I think racists believe. It was a poor and disappointing choice of wording, rather than a racist act, imho.
wouldn't that depend on whether you killed the kid?
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Apparently not.
A racist remark makes you a racist.
A violent remark makes you violent.
A sexist remark makes you misogynist.
A stupid remark makes you stupid.
What I want to know, is how one goes about removing that label once its been allocated? If a racist remark is all that it takes to be labelled a racist, but you don't want, or never intended on being a racist, then how does one go about having that label lifted seeing as you instantly qualify as a racist once the remark is made and can't really make the remark without being a racist?
Is there some form of de-racisting action one can take?
The problem with racism as an overarching issue is the label racist is so final and it is without a doubt a reputation killer. By that I mean, the media have taught everyone not to discuss the issues involving a specific race or say something that can be deemed racist even in the most accidental way possible or you're a racist. The reason for this is disingenuous. If you watch and listen to the media when they are crucifying someone for racism, it becomes a competition on just who can prove to the world the most that they are the least racist individual on the planet, while at the same time utterly destroying the person they are talking about. The way the media tore Tex's character to shreds, you'd think he either murdered someone or had his way with children while murdering someone. I've seen media commentators call each other racists because they didn't character assassinate the person, so they must agree with what they said. It is frightening at how much a person in the media, for their own resume will destroy someone's life because it suits. I have no doubt, the media will go for a second crack the week leading into his first game back.
It's no wonder the general public have over the last decade, adopted the black and white approach with all issues.
It is sad, that to many it's that black and white. Even to some, minding your own business and not speaking up means you are just as racist, sexist or misogynistic as the person who said the remarks. And unfortunately there is no winning this argument as the media will always back the finality. Or they too will be deemed as such. There is an episode of Comedians in Cars where they discuss how sponsors just have to be seen to be morally perfect. This is whats good about Netflix, so far they have bucked the trend of canceling. But we will see.
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Agree and yes it is always black and white to the extreme except when it doesn't suit the agenda. I.e, Critical Race theory, affirmative quotas, reverse racism etc.
Or a more simple example, Comedians of whatever persuasion who stereotype and mock there own ethnicity for easy laughs. Both the Comedian and the audience laughing should be deemed "Racists" by the same purists definition.
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