Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[jmac70]

We really need to win on Friday night, just to cheer everybody up. It's like an episode of 'Party of Five' around here.

 

[No SPIN]

We have danced our dance Kelly_Anne. There is no chemistry sorry. Not interested in wasting my time further.

Understand - its very hard to dance with one foot in your mouth

 

[10571z]

Buckley can see out this year but The house needs to be thrown at paul Roos. A proven coach who took a melbourne team so crap it was actually unbelievable and made them into a side which looks to be contesting for the final 8.

 

[No SPIN]

When you have MM jump to the defence of Nathan Buckley (yes you read that correctly) that is indicative of the quality of the Robbo article.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/04/03/cloke-wasn-t-mishandled-by-bucks-malthouse/

“That’s far too harsh and also probably unnecessary really,” Malthouse said on SEN Breakfast.

“I’ve had Nathan as a player and as an assistant coach. He knows the game back to front, there is no question about that.

“I think it is too easy, when someone moves clubs, to pop them (the former coach) that they are not doing the right thing by the player. All I read was that there was a really healthy relationship between Travis and Nathan.

“From the outside looking in, I would say that sometimes a gameplan doesn’t suit a player and if it doesn’t suit a player, then clearly he falls out.

“You look at Treloar, you have a look at Pendlebury and you have a look at a couple of these other younger players, they are really relishing in (Buckley’s) coaching so it is each to their own.”

Wow - I now have a bit more respect for MM, maybe he's mellowing.

 

[doodles98]

When you have MM jump to the defence of Nathan Buckley (yes you read that correctly) that is indicative of the quality of the Robbo article.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/04/03/cloke-wasn-t-mishandled-by-bucks-malthouse/

“That’s far too harsh and also probably unnecessary really,” Malthouse said on SEN Breakfast.

“I’ve had Nathan as a player and as an assistant coach. He knows the game back to front, there is no question about that.

“I think it is too easy, when someone moves clubs, to pop them (the former coach) that they are not doing the right thing by the player. All I read was that there was a really healthy relationship between Travis and Nathan.

“From the outside looking in, I would say that sometimes a gameplan doesn’t suit a player and if it doesn’t suit a player, then clearly he falls out.

“You look at Treloar, you have a look at Pendlebury and you have a look at a couple of these other younger players, they are really relishing in (Buckley’s) coaching so it is each to their own.”

Wow. Unexpected. Maybe he's smoothing the way because he thinks he's a chance for a comeback now.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Someone else took 10 years, so in reality Bucks only half way through.

11 years

Leigh had about 10, loved Leigh!

Bob Rose now there's a football tragedy he was there for awhile.

At the end those baying for blood, that's there view that the coach is the key ingredient.
Appoint a good coach suddenly Fasolo kicks straight; suddenly White becomes AA etc.

But anyway

 

[good4footy]

Wow. Unexpected. Maybe he's smoothing the way because he thinks he's a chance for a comeback now.

He is not getting the job at Bulldogs so maybe Pies was the only way he could see back in?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I think people should realise the coach extended contract may not be talked about now, but neither is moving coach on.
Bigfooty might get in hives about, echo chamber and all (I'm guilty of that too).

But it's all going to be Ed, nobody but Ed!

 

[The Plowking]

Buckley can see out this year but The house needs to be thrown at paul Roos. A proven coach who took a melbourne team so crap it was actually unbelievable and made them into a side which looks to be contesting for the final 8.

Indeed.
Nothing to do with ten years of top draft picks, a gun father/son or 2 etc actually coming into their prime age bracket.
Bugger Roos.
Part time mentor at most.
If we are going to change coaches, id like to see us a bit more progressive than that.
You know, Eades doing wonders on the GC, Malthouse terrific at Carlton, Lyon awesome at freo etc etc.
Clarkson, Beveridge are not exactly recycled dinosaurs and look at that success.
How many years did Bomber get at Geelong before their premiership?
Genuine question.

 

[Anzacday]

When you have MM jump to the defence of Nathan Buckley (yes you read that correctly) that is indicative of the quality of the Robbo article.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/04/03/cloke-wasn-t-mishandled-by-bucks-malthouse/

“That’s far too harsh and also probably unnecessary really,” Malthouse said on SEN Breakfast.

“I’ve had Nathan as a player and as an assistant coach. He knows the game back to front, there is no question about that.

“I think it is too easy, when someone moves clubs, to pop them (the former coach) that they are not doing the right thing by the player. All I read was that there was a really healthy relationship between Travis and Nathan.

“From the outside looking in, I would say that sometimes a gameplan doesn’t suit a player and if it doesn’t suit a player, then clearly he falls out.

“You look at Treloar, you have a look at Pendlebury and you have a look at a couple of these other younger players, they are really relishing in (Buckley’s) coaching so it is each to their own.”

Wow - I now have a bit more respect for MM, maybe he's mellowing.

11 years

Leigh had about 10, loved Leigh!

Bob Rose now there's a football tragedy he was there for awhile.

At the end those baying for blood, that's there view that the coach is the key ingredient.
Appoint a good coach suddenly Fasolo kicks straight; suddenly White becomes AA etc.

But anyway

Just goes to show Mick's hatred of David Cloke is much stronger than his hatred of Bucks.

 

[TradeDraft]

Regarding the Cloke situation I am extremely disappointed on how the club has handled this.

When we played the Dogs, there should have been 3 or 4 of our guys go up to him at the start of play and absolutely give it to him.

Then at his press conference last week, our coach should have said some real truths about Cloke about how he didn't follow game plans, didn't get himself fit etc. Instead he says "oh I'm sure that there are some people here who wanted to see him do well"

Sick of this lovey dovey approach. Let's start getting some agro on and off the field.


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Bucks has said they are still people who want Cloke to do well at the Dogs. That is something you don't want to hear from the Club

I 100% Agree. Hate being Nice

 

[jmac70]

Bucks has said they are still people who want Cloke to do well at the Dogs. That is something you don't want to hear from the Club

I 100% Agree. Hate being Nice

Probably because he helped us win a flag.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Just goes to show Mick's hatred of David Cloke is much stronger than his hatred of Bucks.

Ha ha ha
Love it.

Never would have thought of that.

Post of year candidate.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Bucks has said they are still people who want Cloke to do well at the Dogs. That is something you don't want to hear from the Club

I 100% Agree. Hate being Nice

Dave, being polite and respectful, that's doesn't make you weak (which is the implication of "nice") but means you can focus when he'd be on being graceful and when you play, play hard with total focus on the ball.

Why should it matter to us if Travis Cloke does well or not (except against us ofcourse).

Ofcourse now that Travis needs to hide behind his big daddy and Snr Clokes old mate routine, they can all their livers, so to speak.

 

[Matt_352]

Indeed.
Nothing to do with ten years of top draft picks, a gun father/son or 2 etc actually coming into their prime age bracket.
Bugger Roos.
Part time mentor at most.
If we are going to change coaches, id like to see us a bit more progressive than that.
You know, Eades doing wonders on the GC, Malthouse terrific at Carlton, Lyon awesome at freo etc etc.
Clarkson, Beveridge are not exactly recycled dinosaurs and look at that success.
How many years did Bomber get at Geelong before their premiership?
Genuine question.

agree we need a fresh mind. Lets see what Dew can do?

 

[Toecrusher]

We have danced our dance Kelly_Anne. There is no chemistry sorry. Not interested in wasting my time further.

Love your style. Short & sweet.

 

[Toecrusher]

I didnt know where to post this but in my opinion we need a clean out.

To me it feels like the club is a business these days over a footy club. We are focusing way to much on the financial side of things and bringing in things like netball and magpie millions just to get a profit. Well how about focusing on the bloody footy and make it feel like a football club again, have some bloody fun.

We are basically a laughing stock at the moment and i hate how it is, i think we desperately need a fresh look with fresh ideas from outside.

I would question why the club is operating. Is it to win games of footy, provide entertainment for members, or generate profits so select individuals can line their pockets.
If they focus 100% on getting it right on the ground, everything else will follow. Unfortunately they appear to have lost their way.
Like him or not, MM was all about winning games of footy (at least until we moved the focus to removing him).

 

[Lockyer24]

Gerard Whately made a great argument for Bucks tonight.


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[doodles98]

Gerard Whately made a great argument for Bucks tonight.


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can you expand on that?

 

[obleex]

Whether this is how we're being coached or otherwise, something is not right with this.

 

[SpongePie]

Whether this is how we're being coached or otherwise, something is not right with this.

Harvey's coaching?

 

[doodles98]

Whether this is how we're being coached or otherwise, something is not right with this.

Firstly, Libba is a freak when it comes to tackling and pressure. He got 16 tackles last week. 16! So the comparison is skewed from the start by focusing on the best pressure player in the comp rather than the average.
Secondly, Libba chases arse a lot because he's not particularly good at getting the ball or doing anything with it when he gets it. Our mids don't get as much chance to tackle as Libba does because they are the ones getting the ball and being tackled. They smashed the dogs midfield at the contest!! We all saw it.
I'd take any of Pendles, Sidey or Treloar over Libba in a heartbeat.

That said.. Sidey in particular does need to do better than 1 tackle a game.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Whether this is how we're being coached or otherwise, something is not right with this.

Pendles has 15 clearances for the first two rounds.
Liberatore and Bontempelli have 15 combined.

Stats and selecting certain players is a great way to create more questions and outrage.

The next best in tackles for WB is Jong on 21. Interesting that L Hunter had 1 tackle last week.
They call Bont...Pendlebury-like and yet he has one extra tackle. See where I'm going with this?

I wonder who the clever prick at 7 was who decided to compile the stats, knowing that they could suck in the many who should just pay more attention to the game rather than the shit surrounding it?

 

[TradeDraft]

Gerard Whately made a great argument for Bucks tonight.


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What did he say for who did not watch it?

 

[obleex]

Firstly, Libba is a freak when it comes to tackling and pressure. He got 16 tackles last week. 16! So the comparison is skewed from the start by focusing on the best pressure player in the comp rather than the average.
Secondly, Libba chases arse a lot because he's not particularly good at getting the ball or doing anything with it when he gets it. Our mids don't get as much chance to tackle as Libba does because they are the ones getting the ball and being tackled. They smashed the dogs midfield at the contest!! We all saw it.
I'd take any of Pendles, Sidey or Treloar over Libba in a heartbeat.

That said.. Sidey in particular does need to do better than 1 tackle a game.

I'm aware of Libba's strengths - that doesn't mean that 3 players who all play in pretty much the same position on the ground should have less tackles (it's not even close) barely more pressure acts and significantly less pressure points than one player, even if that player excels in those fields.

You can say we won the midfield battle in terms of sheer numbers - but we lost the match because we were outworked ultimately and we had no answers for the Bulldogs gut running and pace over the top.

All three of those guys are obviously quality players, but whilst they all rack up plenty of possessions, it doesn't always amount to scoreboard pressure or wins. Considering we've spent the majority of time trailing our opposition for the past three/four seasons, we should have plenty of opportunities to tackle!