Mega Thread The 2017 'Buckley's Chances' Thread

[doppleganger]

I hope the few remaining people that wanted him to stay on next year can see the damage he is doing after today.

I am more critical of the players.

It is not Bucks gifting the ball up, seriously we can't execute simple 20m passes.

The coach doesn't instruct his players to kick the ball to their opposition, if our cattle even supposedly skilled guys like WHE.

Howe just hitting up Mitchell from a kick-out, Adams spotting up Hawks across HB, Treloar handballing to nobody...can partially excuse a kid like Phillips as he is still feeling comfortable.

Bucks is the easy target, but the problems at Collingwood are much greater than Buckley.

 

[jscan]

I am more critical of the players.

It is not Bucks gifting the ball up, seriously we can't execute simple 20m passes.

The coach doesn't instruct his players to kick the ball to their opposition, if our cattle even supposedly skilled guys like WHE.

Howe just hitting up Mitchell from a kick-out, Adams spotting up Hawks across HB, Treloar handballing to nobody...can partially excuse a kid like Phillips as he is still feeling comfortable.

Bucks is the easy target, but the problems at Collingwood are much greater than Buckley.

This is Buckley's team, it is his game plan, the buck stops with him, no pun intended.

He cannot hide behind injuries after 6 years. I agree that the problems go beyond just Buckley.

 

[TradeDraft]

I am more critical of the players.

It is not Bucks gifting the ball up, seriously we can't execute simple 20m passes.

The coach doesn't instruct his players to kick the ball to their opposition, if our cattle even supposedly skilled guys like WHE.

Howe just hitting up Mitchell from a kick-out, Adams spotting up Hawks across HB, Treloar handballing to nobody...can partially excuse a kid like Phillips as he is still feeling comfortable.

Bucks is the easy target, but the problems at Collingwood are much greater than Buckley.

 

[September Action]

The failed "zone defence" and 6 years of decline is what we will be left with, not to mention a team full of C grade players.

We are in desperate need of a "turnaround coach", someone with a proven record, we cannot afford another apprentice after this 6 year saga is finally put to rest.

Disagree. Why not just look for the best on offer? A proper due diligence. Not a freshman coach because he's Collingwood royalty. Not a big name...because he's a big name. Just a proper process and whoever comes out as best.

 

[TradeDraft]

I am more critical of the players.

It is not Bucks gifting the ball up, seriously we can't execute simple 20m passes.

The coach doesn't instruct his players to kick the ball to their opposition, if our cattle even supposedly skilled guys like WHE.

Howe just hitting up Mitchell from a kick-out, Adams spotting up Hawks across HB, Treloar handballing to nobody...can partially excuse a kid like Phillips as he is still feeling comfortable.

Bucks is the easy target, but the problems at Collingwood are much greater than Buckley.

The Whole Club is a Joke. Worst Coached and Ran Team in the AFL. Board Down need massive change

 

[jscan]

Disagree. Why not just look for the best on offer? A proper due diligence. Not a freshman coach because he's Collingwood royalty. Not a big name...because he's a big name. Just a proper process and whoever comes out as best.

I just don't want another apprentice who thinks he know's best. To be honest, anyone would be better than what we have now, so it wouldn't matter.

 

[TheGooch]

I am more critical of the players.

It is not Bucks gifting the ball up, seriously we can't execute simple 20m passes.

The coach doesn't instruct his players to kick the ball to their opposition, if our cattle even supposedly skilled guys like WHE.

Howe just hitting up Mitchell from a kick-out, Adams spotting up Hawks across HB, Treloar handballing to nobody...can partially excuse a kid like Phillips as he is still feeling comfortable.

Bucks is the easy target, but the problems at Collingwood are much greater than Buckley.

I never blame the players because the problem is further up the chain. If the players aren't any good it's the fault of the recruiters and player development. If it's game plan based then it's the coaches fault.

You can't recruit a bunch of hacks and them blame them for playing like hacks.

If it's early in a coaches tenure you can because they inherit the list. But after 6 years it can never be the players

 

[daicosdemis]

I am more critical of the players.

It is not Bucks gifting the ball up, seriously we can't execute simple 20m passes.

The coach doesn't instruct his players to kick the ball to their opposition, if our cattle even supposedly skilled guys like WHE.

Howe just hitting up Mitchell from a kick-out, Adams spotting up Hawks across HB, Treloar handballing to nobody...can partially excuse a kid like Phillips as he is still feeling comfortable.

Bucks is the easy target, but the problems at Collingwood are much greater than Buckley.

Bucks is the reason Treloar and Adams are at Collingwood. Paid ridiculous overs for two players that can't kick for shit.

 

[TradeDraft]

Bucks is the reason Treloar and Adams are at Collingwood. Paid ridiculous overs for two players that can't kick for shit.

Bucks love his Players that can't kick

 

[September Action]

I was there today and the problem (at least today) was with players and coach.

Players
Overuse of handball.
Poor vision, especially going inside 50.
Lack of overlap running for big patches.

Coaching
Watching our defensive structures vs Hawthorns was horrible. We pushed up so hard leaving NO ONE at home and they crucified us maybe five times.
By contrast, when we had fast rebounds, our forwards were always outnumbered.
Our players seem unsure how to run the angles and create the spare overlap player.

 

[PieBeast]

Geelong is challenging for a flag again while we are bottom 4 even though bucks started with a much younger list

Carlshit is 2 years into their all out rebuild and we're ahead of them on percentage.

 

[TradeDraft]

Why do we always go backwards and sideways before going forward and then handball as much as possible and going no where?

 

[jscan]

lol people on the Collingwood fb page saying they would rather see Voss next year than Buckley, desperate times.

 

[Greening Magic]

I'd re-sign Bucks for another 2 years.
Might be in the minority on this board.

 

[anshell]

It'll take years to get the rid of the stain that Buckley and Hine have put on this team,but the change has to made now.Otherwise we'll spend another decade in the wilderness,waiting and hoping for something to change.

 

[GreekLunatic]

Wasn't rendell recruiting manager at the crows can't he do Hines job

 

[swoop42]

I researched the coaches in the AFL era that have coached 4 years without taking their club to the finals and what success they inevitably had in the role.

Terry Wallace 05-08. Sacked 11 matches into his fifth season and forced to re-invent himself as a list manager.

Dennis Pagan 03-06. Sacked 16 matches into his fifth season.

Tony Shaw 96-99. Contract not renewed.

Gerard Neesham 95-98. Contract not renewed.

Guy McKenna* 11-14. Contract not renewed.

Makes for poor reading for those that want Buckley to remain if we miss the 8.

*bit stiff being a start up and all, but he fits the criteria. A notable close to reaching the mark (80+ without finals with Buckley on 79) is Dean Bailey 08-11.

As I posted earlier in the season of the 14 coaches who've won the premiership across the last 20 years only ONE has a record of missing finals for 4 consecutive seasons prior to being a first time premiership coach.

Ironically that man was Mick Malthouse.

But that does come with some caveats.
a)He was coaching Footscray, a club who has historically struggled and up until then had only won the single premiership.
b)In 2 of the 4 seasons his side finished with 11 wins and in 6th position. They missed the TOP 5 by a game and percentage.
c)He won his first flag at another club in West Coast.

So basically at best history shows Buckley only has a 7% chance of still becoming a premiership coach.

Add in the caveats above and the fact we at Collingwood have been very good at losing grand finals since 1970 and I'd say his chances would be 1 in 100.

 

[TW Sherrin]

I respect others right to an opinion but I cant understand why his future is being debated anymore.

He's done and everyone knows it.

 

[Go Woods]

Carlshit is 2 years into their all out rebuild and we're ahead of them on percentage.

They will overtake us by years end that's for sure. They're building an excellent defence and have the makings of a very good spine...whereas we have....mmm a bit of a mess TBH.

 

[Go Woods]

lol people on the Collingwood fb page saying they would rather see Voss next year than Buckley, desperate times.

Christ NO....

 

[Scodog10]

As I posted earlier in the season of the 14 coaches who've won the premiership across the last 20 years only ONE has a record of missing finals for 4 consecutive seasons prior to being a first time premiership coach.

Ironically that man was Mick Malthouse.

But that does come with some caveats.
a)He was coaching Footscray, a club who has historically struggled and up until then had only won the single premiership.
b)In 2 of the 4 seasons his side finished with 11 wins and in 6th position. They missed the TOP 5 by a game and percentage.
c)He won his first flag at another club in West Coast.

So basically at best history shows Buckley only has a 7% chance of still becoming a premiership coach.

Add in the caveats above and the fact we at Collingwood have been very good at losing grand finals since 1970 and I'd say his chances would be 1 in 100.

That's an interesting one. I only looked into AFL era results, but including MM in that group certainly changes things. Unfortunately talking about the two together isn't the best move in this thread either

 

[Go Woods]

I'd re-sign Bucks for another 2 years.
Might be in the minority on this board.

Please explain.

 

[Dubaimagpie]

They will overtake us by years end that's for sure. They're building an excellent defence and have the makings of a very good spine...whereas we have....mmm a bit of a mess TBH.

Add the Bears to that list too. Will be a very good side.


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[magpies2013]

He talks so much crap.remember him saying at the end of last year that we had finally bottomed out and we are now on the way up.we are worse off then ever.

 

[ash84]

Can't wait to hear what this review comes up with...