List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Key Dates

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• Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
• Nov 1 to Nov 8: Delisted free agency period
• Nov 20-21: Telstra AFL Draft
• Nov 22: Telstra Pre-Season Draft and Rookie Draft

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• 5 Main list
• 1 Rookie list

Current Draft Picks

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• Main Draft - 12,26,73,81,99
• Rookie Draft - 3

 

[Mop]

Gettable links us to Allan, TT, Lindsay as well as Whitlock and Shanahan - seemed to think Allan would be gone by then though.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Here is the full listing )position by age) prior to the draft (although I have included Champion in the draftee listing)

We were at 45 with the selection of Hutchinson mid season (Long on LTI list) and here are the changes. This included 37 on the senior list, 6 rookies and 2 Cat B rookies.

We can take up to 5 players in the national draft and would need to move Baker from the Cat B list if we take Champion as a Cat b. The rookie list is then 42 minus however many on the senior list.



Anyone not believing we need both balanced and outside mids and outside needs to look at the gaps in the position by age.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I am plagiarising from the Dees board as I found this useful.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Why is everyone so harsh on Brockman.

He came across into a basket case of a team with a coach everyone knew was a walking target & ended up getting the sacked mid season. We didn’t really have a game plan as it had all been stripped back. It really can’t have been easy to settle in.

Along with that he obviously had personal issues & then got his ankle wrecked once he worked his way back.

Hopefully with some stability at the club & off-field he willl go better next year.

Because he was gifted game after game after game and absolutely failed to fire on the scoreboard? And that's from someone who talked him up previously.

It can't just be "the system" if Dewar comes in as a younger player from an even bigger basket case (Beagles) and easily eclipses Brockmans output.

Dewar 5 goals from 7 games, ave 3 score involvements.

Brockman 1 goal from 10 games, ave 3 score involvements.

Brockman being poor was disappointing, but seeing a younger player bring a bit of fresh energy and skill to a lame team (like Brockman should've) after he was dropped was even worse.

 

[mat11]

Great list. Only thing I’d tinker with is that 31 (35) is a little high for Dennis. Would rather O’Farrell or Ough there or trade back to a couple of picks in the 40s and take Dennis and Johnson. Also think if we get 28 and 31 off Essendon we’d lose 26 but maybe they are happy with 2 x F2s and change.

Probably already mentioned but Cal on Gettable yesterday specifically mentioned Travaglia, Lindsay and Allan at pick 12. Does give some hope that Travaglia may slide through, especially with the Saints making noise about trading one of their top picks. Seemed more certain that Allan would be gone.

Even if we landed Travaglia I'd still be OK with grabbing Oliver in the 2nd round because he is extremely tidy by foot. Agree with dennis although I think he's grown in the last 12 months and if he can get close to 200cm its something I'd be prepared to reach for.

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[sharps24]

Petch, Jamo, Sheed, Cripps, and 1 other from Cole/Hunt/Chesser/bazzo/Hunt or some trade out is 5 spots. I think Gov gets 1 more year.
If we get a FA or trade in a player then its 4 spots
Potentially those DFA/SSP players we get this year could only be on 1 year deals, lets say we remove 1(assuming we grab 2 this year)
Brings us to 5 spots

If we skip Warner, we have our 3 f/s and NGA kids plus the 2x f1s, makes 5 picks.
If Evans doesnt get drafted then we only take 4 kids in the draft, and rookie Evans, keeping 1 list spot

We will be ok I think

More or less all true [except you can't delist Hunt twice] my point was more just that we've got 6 picks on the books with 4 being after the first round. If we take Warner and Banfield then target Curtin and Rodreigez and Wally... oh wait hang on I think the answer here is that we need those picks to match bids. If anything we are light on for picks next year due to Warner.

So if we need 5 main list spots for next year and its going to be tough to delist 5 [Cripps, Sheed, Petch, Cole, Jamo best guess] then we need to be careful with our intake this year.

I would be taking no more than 3 players in the main draft, and trying to get in another future first. I'd be very happy to take 26, 28, 31 and rookie Champion.

Idk, just seems like we're positioned in a way that we can't just load up in this draft the way people want without creating a massive squeeze next year, when all the low hanging fruit is basically already gone. I'd Elevate Maric and Hutch and potentially also Dewar to the main list on 1 year deals. Take multiple DFA's. Rookie Burgiel. Get as many of these fringe players on 1 year deals as possible and look to potentially delist some of them before the draft then re-rookie depending on space. Can see some of lot of these fringe types having good years next year too and making things really complicated.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I hope Gavin Bell has a sense of humour.

Gavin "Liam Baker

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Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

, we are awarding you jumper number 3".

Liam "Why"

Gavin "To remind us of the champions that have worn number 3. Mainwaring, Judd and Gaff. Now it is your turn Liam, you required us to use pick 3 to get you so I hope you can live up to the hype".

Gavin "Alternatively we can give you number 38. Saving money, there would be no need changing the name on the locker door".

 

[eaglevision]

Even if we landed Travaglia I'd still be OK with grabbing Oliver in the 2nd round because he is extremely tidy by foot. Agree with dennis although I think he's grown in the last 12 months and if he can get close to 200cm its something I'd be prepared to reach for.

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He’s now 195cm and almost certainly will stay that way.

 

[Mop]

I am plagiarising from the Dees board as I found this useful.

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The ESPN dude, as usual (I'm aware it isn't Knightmare anymore but the point stands) is wildly different for the sake of it.

 

[stallon]

More or less all true [except you can't delist Hunt twice] my point was more just that we've got 6 picks on the books with 4 being after the first round. If we take Warner and Banfield then target Curtin and Rodreigez and Wally... oh wait hang on I think the answer here is that we need those picks to match bids. If anything we are light on for picks next year due to Warner.

This is the answer, we wont take 6 kids in the draft next year.
We cant get all those players if we take Warner, at least 1 of those 1st rounders will be gone+future picks, meaning we are just swapping a pick for Warner.
Leaves us with 1 kid in the 1st round, our 3 matching bids and Warner = 5 players

So if we need 5 main list spots for next year and its going to be tough to delist 5 [Cripps, Sheed, Petch, Cole, Jamo best guess] then we need to be careful with our intake this year.

I would be taking no more than 3 players in the main draft, and trying to get in another future first. I'd be very happy to take 26, 28, 31 and rookie Champion.

Idk, just seems like we're positioned in a way that we can't just load up in this draft the way people want without creating a massive squeeze next year, when all the low hanging fruit is basically already gone. I'd Elevate Maric and Hutch and potentially also Dewar to the main list on 1 year deals. Take multiple DFA's. Rookie Burgiel. Get as many of these fringe players on 1 year deals as possible and look to potentially delist some of them before the draft then re-rookie depending on space. Can see some of lot of these fringe types having good years next year too and making things really complicated.

We can sign a DFA on a 1 year deal. Carroll or DGB or whoever.
Can still take 4 or 5 kids in the draft.
Take 4 picks, meaning 2 DFAs on 1 year deals. Those plus the 4 easy delistings for next year should give us enough options.
Every chance at least 1 player asks for a trade if theyre not getting opportunity they think they deserve.

Could easily be 7 main list spots for our 5 picks.

I wouldnt stress about list spots for next year, if we have issues with spots then its because one or more of the guys we think will be delisted has come along and has earnt their spot in the best 22, a good problem to have.

 

[flyinghi64]

We have 6 main list spots to fill, and only 3 picks in teh draft right now. I dont really want to be signing 3 DFA/SSPs tbh, 2 I could handle, but we need at least 1 more pick.
Carrol/Burgiel + a KPD via DFA and 4 picks(3+Champion) would be decent. We have 1 rookie spot on top of those picks

The Warner trade is dumb, cant be giving up multiple 2025 picks for him.

After re-reading my post I noticed I forgot 1 important letter and number,
"If we can get Warner and still hold 1 or possibly 2 R1 2025 picks"
Makes it read a bit clearer now

 

[Hook461123]

Seems weird that Marshall qualifies for academy selection after playing for Sandringham. He also played for Vic Metro in U16 and went to school in Melbourne. Plays one year for the academy in 2023 and then back to Sandringham for 2024 and still gets a free pass to the Lions.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

He’s now 195cm and almost certainly will stay that way.

I think Dennis at 195cm as the CHB is fine. Similar to Lever and May heights. What is needed is a pairing with a taller KPDer who can play on the likes of Darcy, Kings, etc.

Looking at the KPF's in this years draft
Armstrong 195cm
Shanahan 195cm
Faull 195cm

The taller options
Whitlock twins at 199 and 200 cm
Sims at 199cm
Burnmeister at 199cm

If we want a taller KPD, then it is
Mraz at 199cm
Nicholls at 197cm

I would hope we try Barnett as a KPDer as I am less certain about him rucking at AFL. At 202cm, he is a great height to be playing on Darcy and co.

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Seems weird that Marshall qualifies for academy selection after playing for Sandringham. He also played for Vic Metro in U16 and went to school in Melbourne. Plays one year for the academy in 2023 and then back to Sandringham for 2024 and still gets a free pass to the Lions.

Yeah, there is some academy BS they need to clean up.

IMO Blakey was the worst.

 

[eaglevision]

I think Dennis at 195cm as the CHB is fine. Similar to Lever and May heights. What is needed is a pairing with a taller KPDer who can play on the likes of Darcy, Kings, etc.

I would hope we try try Barnett as a KPDer as I am less certain about him rucking at AFL. At 202cm, he is a great height to be playing on Darcy and co.

Let’s not forget Barnett is also a very good athlete and contested mark. Excellent attributes for a KPD.

O’Farrell at 196cm is also an option and athletic. Both him and Dennis do have a tendency to get nudged under the ball though so may not be a good pairing. You’d want to hope that HEdwards really comes on.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Barnett needs to actually learn to touch the football and impact a game, before he starts honing the craft of a new position and role.

 

[mat11]

I think Dennis at 195cm as the CHB is fine. Similar to Lever and May heights. What is needed is a pairing with a taller KPDer who can play on the likes of Darcy, Kings, etc.

Looking at the KPF's in this years draft
Armstrong 195cm
Shanahan 195cm
Faull 195cm

The taller options
Whitlock twins at 199 and 200 cm
Sims at 199cm
Burnmeister at 199cm

If we want a taller KPD, then it is
Mraz at 199cm
Nicholls at 197cm

I would hope we try try Barnett as a KPDer as I am less certain about him rucking at AFL. At 202cm, he is a great height to be playing on Darcy and co.

To me it's ArcherReid. He's massive, takes a fantastic grab and is athletic enough to be the intercept type developing under McGovern. Also frees up pick 26 to use on a damaging outside player this draft as 26 would need to be ofarrel/mraz I'd assume



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[flamingEMBERS]

With Oliver we get an elite kick that we dont get with Travaglia. Travaglia brings a lot more run while still having a good kick, its just not elite.
Different players.

I picture Oliver being in a back pocket, and doing kick-ins, while Travaglia sits near half back intercepting and going for a run when he gets the ball

Id be happy with a Travaglia-Oliver combo (purely by this description)

 

[sharps24]

To me it's ArcherReid. He's massive, takes a fantastic grab and is athletic enough to be the intercept type developing under McGovern. Also frees up pick 26 to use on a damaging outside player this draft as 26 would need to be ofarrel/mraz I'd assume



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What evidence in there Archer Reid isn't a better prospect up forward than Oscar Allen, who could also go back. I think just leave Reid to work on his forward craft in the beagles until we see what we have.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Gettable links us to Allan, TT, Lindsay as well as Whitlock and Shanahan - seemed to think Allan would be gone by then though.

We can only hope some team saves us from ourselves and picks him.

Delisted Free Agency starts tomorrow, should be a busy one considering the numbers they've pruned from the list recently.

 

[the harry]

Edwards makes 11 changes.

Simmo wrong again predicting 10.

 

[mat11]

What evidence in there Archer Reid isn't a better prospect up forward than Oscar Allen, who could also go back. I think just leave Reid to work on his forward craft in the beagles until we see what we have.

We are unbelievably lucky to have Allen, Waterman, jilliams and even maric to an extent as kpf leaving us the ability to flirt with the idea of throwing Archer back, for mine he's talented enough and their is a spot vacant when gov moves on sooner rather than later

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[Wedgetailed Westerner]

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Losing both Edwards and Petrucelle will be tough for the Beagles

**** me. I really failed as a player sponsor this year. He retires from footy without knowing he had changed his name

 

[stallon]

Id be happy with a Travaglia-Oliver combo (purely by this description)

Those two, along with Hough, HEdwards, and Maric/Bazzo +some KPD draftee would finish our backline long term. Frees us Ginbey to potentially play midfield again, or even just make it a super strong back 7 with Ginbey and Travaglia dominating that half back line as ~190cm intercepting rebounders.

 

[TerryFilk]

What evidence in there Archer Reid isn't a better prospect up forward than Oscar Allen, who could also go back. I think just leave Reid to work on his forward craft in the beagles until we see what we have.

Bingo

This obsession with turning Reid into a key defender needs to stop, he’s on track to be a very good key forward who’s a mismatch for every defence in the competition.

I’d be very surprised if he doesn’t claim a best 22 spot by the end of 2026 latest, possibly even next year.

Has all the tools you want to see in a key forward.