List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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Key Dates

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• Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
• Nov 1 to Nov 8: Delisted free agency period
• Nov 20-21: Telstra AFL Draft
• Nov 22: Telstra Pre-Season Draft and Rookie Draft

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• 5 Main list
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Current Draft Picks

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• Main Draft - 12,26,73,81,99
• Rookie Draft - 3

 

[Doashuey]

Masten actually addressed this. He was working on his weaknesses and Mitchell took him aside and told him to stop trying to be something you're not, focus on making your strengths even better.

Not sure where I read it but it stuck in my mind.

Rugby Leagues greatest ever coach, Wayne Bennett, has the same focus. I have a mate who was coached briefly by him as a Broncos junior and his approach was, you got here for a reason and we will work on that reason (trait) and build on it. So he didnt completely ignore weaknesses and guys were expected to work on them but his focus was taking strengths and making them stronger.

 

[FootyOutlier]

That's because Masten had absolutely zero, ZERO tricks in the kit bag to create space for himself.

Bloke couldn't sell a dummy or a fake if his life depended on it, and unfortunately only really had one real gear, so couldn't explode away from anyone either. Add in his inability to get his hands free or stand up in a tackle, and he's basically a sitting duck in any sort of congestion.

It's why he was always the gimp getting pinged in a huge moment for the opposition team. High pressure game, Masten gets it in D50... If there's any pressure within a few metres of him you can absolutely count on him being ragdolled and coughing up a free.

Not too dissimilar to Gaff technically, but for whatever reason or another it was generally Masten throughout his career.

Case in point

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Duggan follows in the same steps

 

[Keys]

Just to give people an idea of the value of our F2/F3 picks with respect to bid matching for Banfield, Walley and Evans. Based on 2024 finishing positions we’d have 21,31,39,49 then nothing until our R5 pick which would be 75 and of no value

Picks 21,31 matches a bid at 12
Pick 21 matches a bid at 19
Picks 31,39 matches a bid at 20
Pick 31 matches a bid at 28
Picks 39,49 matches a bid at 31
Pick 39 matches a bid at 35
Pick 49 matches a bid at 44

Bids after 50 don’t require points to match so we could match a bid after that with 75

Even more reason why the trade with Essendon of 26, 2xF2 for 28,31, F2(Ess) +/- steak knives makes sense

We’d have 2 usable R1 picks. a R2 pick that might cover a bid on Banfield at 23 and 2x R3 picks that would cover a bid on Walley at 31 should one come that early

Not sure about Evans but my understanding is a pick might not come as early as 44

This draft (with examples in brackets) -
12(Lindsay),28(Davis),31(Barrett),(73)Champion,81 or RD3 (Artemis)

Next draft - Rodriguez, Curtin, Banfield, Walley, Evans (ignoring possible trades)

Would be happy with that

 

[Monocle]

Masten actually addressed this. He was working on his weaknesses and Mitchell took him aside and told him to stop trying to be something you're not, focus on making your strengths even better.

Not sure where I read it but it stuck in my mind.

Why not do both ?

 

[Obeanie1]

Using ladder positions it’s F21, 26, F31, F49 for F27, 28, 31, 46. Hardly a burn trading almost equal points into this year’s deep draft and we get ahead of 12 months development. We retain our F3 to match a bid on Walley, have ESS F2 to match a bid on Banfield or trade it down and take our F1 and Hawks F1 into the draft for players like Rodriguez and Curtin or use as capital for Warner. That’s not insanity at all. Insanity would be trading back in for overs which that deal is very clearly not.

46 is too risky to do before draft night IMO.

46 will come in to about 38 after picks get used to match bids. Should someone bid on Champion before 38 its gone we have wasted trading it in.

A live trade on draft night takes that risk out of play.

 

[eaglevision]

Masten actually addressed this. He was working on his weaknesses and Mitchell took him aside and told him to stop trying to be something you're not, focus on making your strengths even better.

Not sure where I read it but it stuck in my mind.

The story goes Mitchell saw Masten in the gym lifting weights and asked him what he was doing and Masten said working on his weaknesses. Mitchell told him to go and work on his strength which is his running. Masten was delighted as he hated the gym and loved running.

 

[eaglevision]

46 is too risky to do before draft night IMO.

46 will come in to about 38 after picks get used to match bids. Should someone bid on Champion before 38 its gone we have wasted trading it in.

A live trade on draft night takes that risk out of play.

It would be a live trade on draft night as soon as a Kako bid is made.

 

[stallon]

If we offered our 2025 1st and 2026 1st that is a steep price for warner .

2x top 5 picks ? Thats Judd territory.

Its too much for warner unless he captains the swans to a premiership , wins the browlow and norm next year

If we gave our 2025-26 1sts i would expect swans 2026 1st ( late teens ) back with warner.

That would give us hawks 1st in 2025 and swans 1st in 2026 to keep bringing in top end talent

Hawks f1+2026 1st pick is the most id be ok offering without something substantial coming back.
Wouldnt be happy with it, but id be ok with it. Its still probably overs but I know we would go all in.

Assuming we get Hewett fit and he gets somewhere close to where he was meant to be, we dont really have a pressing need for a player like Warner

 

[Obeanie1]

It would be a live trade on draft night as soon as a Kako bid is made.

Still a risk for us. We trade in 46 only to lose it on a bid.

If its the steak knives in the bigger deal then .....I suppose we roll the dice.

Recall Champion is ranked now around 45ish. Mentioned in the mid 1st round early on.

 

[eaglevision]

Still a risk for us. We trade in 46 only to lose it on a bid.

If its the steak knives in the bigger deal then .....I suppose we roll the dice.

Recall Champion is ranked now around 45ish. Mentioned in the mid 1st round early on.

We could on trade it after a bid if we had to, there would be plenty of takers for a late F2. I personally think Champion is 50+ now. May even slip through to Cat B.

 

[stallon]

Idk if the bombers are that keen on that swap thats been mentioned a few times, but surely if its possible to add Travaglia/Lindsay, Davis/Oliver, Barrat, Champion, Rodriguez, Curtin, Banfield, Walley and Evans over the next 2 years we should go and make it happen. Add Starcevich as a FA to shore up the backline and we are truly on.
I think Allan would be a better fit than Travaglia or Lindsay if these are the guys we are adding, a lot of outside types there, but thats a great group of kids to add.

We have a few better senior role models now, have to go back to the draft, stuff getting Warner, let Freo have him and they can win their first premiership

 

[RookiePick]

Rugby Leagues greatest ever coach, Wayne Bennett, has the same focus. I have a mate who was coached briefly by him as a Broncos junior and his approach was, you got here for a reason and we will work on that reason (trait) and build on it. So he didnt completely ignore weaknesses and guys were expected to work on them but his focus was taking strengths and making them stronger.

I feel like this has been the biggest issue with our player development in recent times. So busy worrying about weaknesses and rounding out players that their elite point of difference that got them drafted gets lost in the process

 

[bzparkes]

Rugby Leagues greatest ever coach, Wayne Bennett, has the same focus. I have a mate who was coached briefly by him as a Broncos junior and his approach was, you got here for a reason and we will work on that reason (trait) and build on it. So he didnt completely ignore weaknesses and guys were expected to work on them but his focus was taking strengths and making them stronger.

Exactly what Sam Mitchell said to Chris Masten.

 

[Goldfish]

Watched the radio podcast with Scotty Cumming's and Goss.

They did a 5 things West Coast must do in 2025.

Talking draft they both agreed we need one or two left footers running through the midfield. We have been too one sided for too long. They said we need a skillful left footer who can break lines.

Gave myself an uppercut when they both started talking about Bo Allan. As he is a hard nut and quick but not a highly skilled left footer.


Then someone texted in Lindsay's profile and both frowned as if they didn't know him and said "sounds like the type we need".

We could do much worse taking Lindsay at 12 and Oliver at 26. Both left footers. One a mid the other a damaging half back. Both rated as good ball users in area's we need good ball users.

Another reason I'd like Jack Carroll as a DFA, could be one of the left footers we're looking for when not played as the sub and is a free hit.

 

[mat11]

I've seen too much talent in this year's draft to sit back and miss out, 28 + 31 would be mint from Essendon.

12 (15) XavierLindsay
26 (30) HarrisonOliver
28 (32) JamesBarrat
31 (35) ClancyDennis
73 (60) MalakiaChampion

If we could land these 5 it'd make MattClarkes shit sandwich a bit more digestible. 2 key backs and 2 very good kicks of the footy

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Edit- assuming travaglia is gone by 15. Allan and Davis scratched due to poor kicking

 

[JoshWoodenSpoon]

46 is too risky to do before draft night IMO.

Exactly what Sam Mitchell said to Chris Masten.

 

[mat11]

Exactly what Sam Mitchell said to Chris Masten.

Mastens bench press is around 46

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[eaglevision]

I've seen too much talent in this year's draft to sit back and miss out, 28 + 31 would be mint from Essendon.

12 (15) XavierLindsay
26 (30) HarrisonOliver
28 (32) JamesBarrat
31 (35) ClancyDennis
73 (60) MalakiaChampion

If we could land these 5 it'd make MattClarkes shit sandwich a bit more digestible. 2 key backs and 2 very good kicks of the footy

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Edit- assuming travaglia is gone by 15. Allan and Davis scratched due to poor kicking

Great list. Only thing I’d tinker with is that 31 (35) is a little high for Dennis. Would rather O’Farrell or Ough there or trade back to a couple of picks in the 40s and take Dennis and Johnson. Also think if we get 28 and 31 off Essendon we’d lose 26 but maybe they are happy with 2 x F2s and change.

Probably already mentioned but Cal on Gettable yesterday specifically mentioned Travaglia, Lindsay and Allan at pick 12. Does give some hope that Travaglia may slide through, especially with the Saints making noise about trading one of their top picks. Seemed more certain that Allan would be gone.

 

[ronpingwins]

Great list. Only thing I’d tinker with is that 31 (35) is a little high for Dennis. Would rather O’Farrell or Ough there or trade back to a couple of picks in the 40s and take Dennis and Johnson. Also think if we get 28 and 31 off Essendon we’d lose 26 but maybe they are happy with 2 x F2s and change.

Probably already mentioned but Cal on Gettable yesterday specifically mentioned Travaglia, Lindsay and Allan at pick 12. Does give some hope that he may slide through. Seemed more certain that Allan would be gone.

Lindsay seems to be firming as our most likely pick.

 

[Mop]

Ledwards gone

Waalitj Marawar midfielder Luke Edwards has decided to step away from the AFL after working with the club to map his future.

"Luke has made the difficult decision to step away from the AFL to concentrate on his physical and mental wellbeing," General Manager of Football Gavin Bell said.

"The club will continue to give full support to Luke and would like to thank him for his efforts over the last four years.

"He has been a popular member of the squad in his time at the club and we wish him well for the next chapter of his life’s journey."

Edwards, 22, was selected with pick 52 in the 2020 national draft and played 37 senior matches.

"I am stepping away from the game currently due to concussion reasons to allow me the time to return to full health," Edwards said.

"With the support of my family and the club, I will take all steps required to prepare myself for the next steps in my life."

Edwards’ decision means the club has finalised 11 changes to its 2024 playing list ahead of next month’s national draft.

 

[eagles rule]

The story goes Mitchell saw Masten in the gym lifting weights and asked him what he was doing and Masten said working on his weaknesses. Mitchell told him to go and work on his strength which is his running. Masten was delighted as he hated the gym and loved running.

His love of running came from when he was in high school, He used to run home from school every day because his mum was baking cupcakes for him ..


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[Chris_6678]

Edwards steps away from AFL

Luke Edwards is stepping away from the game to concentrate on his health and wellbeing

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

 

[Mulldogg]

Ledwards gone

 

[eaglevision]

Lindsay seems to be firming as our most likely pick.

Outside of Travaglia that’s the best result for us. I’d personally take Travaglia at 8 and Lindsay at 9 if we had those picks assuming we didn’t slide.

 

[stallon]

If we got Travaglia at 12, do we still take Oliver at 26? Not really the same player I know but aside from KPPs its probably just Davis or maybe Moraes who seem likely to be there, the KPPs are probably better off being taken with an early 30s pick anyway. Do we want another half back in this draft?
Id rather Oliver(if theres no flight risk) over Davis tbh

If we get Lindsay then id 100% go Oliver