List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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• Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
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• Main Draft - 12,26,73,81,99
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Recent News
• Luke Edwards delisted after deciding to step away from football due to ongoing concussion symptoms

 

[eaglespremiers]

Cal Twomey has us linked with Allen, Travaligia, Lindsay as most on here have predicted, but also Matt Whitlock and Jobe Shanahan with pick 12.

Would be pretty happy with any of the first 3, TT, Lindsay, Allen in that order. Would be confused if we went tall with first pick.

Interesting, I really really like Shanahan but is such a low list need.

Preference for 12 would be TT, Allan and if both gone then Lindsay.

Interesting re. Shanahan. I agree with you about needs. But from a purely personal perspective I would be stoked to pick Jobe.
He is IMO the best key forward in the draft and TBH I would place him at a level above Archer Reid as a KPF option, despite him being drafted a year later than Reid. What this would mean for Reid, I'm not sure, but Jobe is genuinely menacing in marking contests and I don't think it will take long for him to stamp himself at AFL level.

 

[eaglevision]

Lol cole is not being delisted .
Brockman came over on a 3 year deal so will be contracted
Dewar showed a lot last season . a
Maybe add McGovern to that list . Might hang up the boots

If we take Travaglia and Oliver he’s 100% under pressure to hold his spot. Those boys, Hough, Ginbey, Duggan, Baker possibly Lindsay. Brockman is on a 3 year deal, so was Zac Langdon. Dewar I’m not even close to being sold on but the back half of his season was encouraging. Gov will play until he runs out of ribs, but you’re right that could be next year.

 

[stallon]

Lol cole is not being delisted .
Brockman came over on a 3 year deal so will be contracted
Dewar showed a lot last season . a
Maybe add McGovern to that list . Might hang up the boots

Highly doubt Gov retires after 2025. Hes far from cooked, I think he has 2026 in him.
Also think people over-rate what we have seen form Dewar so far just a bit. Hes been nice but hes no guarantee.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

I think we are up against it to find a true A-grader at pick 12 anyway, imo its a choice between a safe choice or take a gamble.
Travaglia is probably the safe choice, guaranteed to get great run from half back while being a good mid-sized defender if nothing else. Allan the gamble that he can be a Yeo style mid, and Lindsay in the middle somewhere.


I dont care for Davis so much, as others have in here hes a bit similar to Banfield. If he can sit on a wing sure, but maybe a slightly different archetype wing player would be better.
I think we will be too tall through the midfield if we keep recruiting these 190cm types. One to replace Yeo would be great, but with Banfield who is 188cm I think? we might be pushing it a little bit

Hamish Davis is very much a Nic Martin clone
Can play high half forward good overhead
Can go onto the wing and go to half back and have impact
He runs all day at high clip and can go into the middle

Banfield plays very differently, Banfield is very very clean one touch footballer
He is quick but has extra time because he is so clean
He does not rack up the footy like Hamish does
Banfield has class if he can improve his production next year will be a very good player

 

[stallon]

Anyone see potential in Cole as a pressure forward if we were to add Travaglia and Oliver in the draft, and Cole lost his spot in the backline?
I think hes got some of that aggression that a lot of our players lack, putting him down forward with Long, Dewar, etc could be a nice move.

Might be harder with Owies being added and Cripps still hanging around though.

He did get a bit of time on a wing this year too, maybe thats an option if we dont have anybody better suited

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Highly doubt Gov retires after 2025. Hes far from cooked, I think he has 2026 in him.
Also think people over-rate what we have seen form Dewar so far just a bit. Hes been nice but hes no guarantee.

Dewar out performed brockman .

 

[stallon]

Dewar out performed brockman .

Wasnt suggesting he didnt, just commenting on how some people seem quite big on Dewar, I dont quite agree with the optimism.
I dont think hes best 23 next year at this stage for example

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

If we take Travaglia and Oliver he’s 100% under pressure to hold his spot. Those boys, Hough, Ginbey, Duggan, Baker possibly Lindsay. Brockman is on a 3 year deal, so was Zac Langdon. Dewar I’m not even close to being sold on but the back half of his season was encouraging. Gov will play until he runs out of ribs, but you’re right that could be next year.

We won't get Travaglia and Lindsay

Travaglia and Oliver?

I like both but we would be silly to put both our assets into the backline when both inside and outside mids are a priority.

I can see hough transitioning to a midfield role in the future like yeo did.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Wasnt suggesting he didnt, just commenting on how some people seem quite big on Dewar, I dont quite agree with the optimism.
I dont think hes best 23 next year at this stage for example

Probably not now owies and long will be available but he certainly surprised me with his step up to afl level .

He always looks a class above in the wafl super silky skills

 

[eaglevision]

We won't get Travaglia and Lindsay

Travaglia and Oliver?

I like both but we would be silly to put both our assets into the backline when both inside and outside mids are a priority.

I can see hough transitioning to a midfield role in the future like yeo did.

Should have made that clear, possibly Lindsay if we don’t get Travaglia.

Travaglia and Oliver depends how we view Travaglia in terms of position, he may start on a wing. It’s possible that him and Oliver are both best available at our pick 12 and 26, in which case I’d have no hesitation taking both.

Agree with you on Hough. If we can get Starcevich next year Hough will go into a different role which could be further up the ground. He’s going to be a very good player.

 

[FKASC]

What evidence in there Archer Reid isn't a better prospect up forward than Oscar Allen

His set shot goalkicking is very poor

gun prospect otherwise

 

[We_The_West]

Article about Smillie

Why top draft prospect went on a media ban after meeting Patrick Cripps

Top-10 draft contender Josh Smillie is considered the second coming of Carlton’s dual Brownlow medallist Patrick Cripps, but not everything has gone to plan in his final year of underage football.

www.watoday.com.au

Interesting he played very well as a bottom after and was U16 AA as a HBF

 

[TerryFilk]

Interesting re. Shanahan. I agree with you about needs. But from a purely personal perspective I would be stoked to pick Jobe.
He is IMO the best key forward in the draft and TBH I would place him at a level above Archer Reid as a KPF option, despite him being drafted a year later than Reid. What this would mean for Reid, I'm not sure, but Jobe is genuinely menacing in marking contests and I don't think it will take long for him to stamp himself at AFL level.
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I think he is being severely underrated, I’d comfortably pick him over Armstrong but we simply can’t use a top end pick on a key forward, unless we think Oscar is leaving next off season.

 

[sharps24]

As harsh as it might sound, I would be looking at Oscar free agency at the end of next season, our tall forward stocks are pretty good even without Oscar . Both Brisbane and Sydney will throw the house at him. If our if we finish 3rd last again that will get us pick 4. Go into next year with pick 3 4 and the hawks F1.

He'll sign up on an 8 year deal before the end of Summer training you'd think. Which would mean if Sydney are keen we ccould do a straight swap for Warner and keep our F1s for Redreigez and Curtin.

 

[FKASC]

Interesting he played very well as a bottom after and was U16 AA as a HBF

Add in injury history and he’s a perfect pieman pick

 

[TerryFilk]

As harsh as it might sound, I would be looking at Oscar free agency at the end of next season, our tall forward stocks are pretty good even without Oscar . Both Brisbane and Sydney will throw the house at him. If our if we finish 3rd last again that will get us pick 4. Go into next year with pick 3 4 and the hawks F1.

Agreed, have said for a while that we may have to cash in on one of Waterman or Allen - we obviously won’t with Waterman now so Allen may be the one. I suspect he re-signs on a long term deal that we will deeply regret within 2 years when he barely gets on the park though.

I do think letting him get to free agency and netting what will almost certainly be a top 3-5 pick for him is smart.

Top end of next years draft is good and we have Waterman, J.Williams and A.Reid as our key forwards + guys like Maric as well.

 

[sharps24]

Anyone see potential in Cole as a pressure forward if we were to add Travaglia and Oliver in the draft, and Cole lost his spot in the backline?
I think hes got some of that aggression that a lot of our players lack, putting him down forward with Long, Dewar, etc could be a nice move.

Might be harder with Owies being added and Cripps still hanging around though.

He did get a bit of time on a wing this year too, maybe thats an option if we dont have anybody better suited

I've called for this switch before but honestly I don't think there's room for him up forward anymore, wing would be an interesting option for him but Hunt and maybe even Duggan are being squeezed out of the back 6 as well and both would be better wings.

 

[eaglespremiers]

I think he is being severely underrated, I’d comfortably pick him over Armstrong but we simply can’t use a top end pick on a key forward, unless we think Oscar is leaving next off season.

I agree, but I'm just responding to Cal's suggestion that we are considering him.

 

[sharps24]

His set shot goalkicking is very poor

gun prospect otherwise

The next Joe Daniher, board will be electric on match day.

 

[stallon]

Agreed, have said for a while that we may have to cash in on one of Waterman or Allen - we obviously won’t with Waterman now so Allen may be the one. I suspect he re-signs on a long term deal that we will deeply regret within 2 years when he barely gets on the park though.

I do think letting him get to free agency and netting what will almost certainly be a top 3-5 pick for him is smart.

Top end of next years draft is good and we have Waterman, J.Williams and A.Reid as our key forwards + guys like Maric as well.

Its probably best to let him go from a list management perspective if we see more good stuff from Archer, but its really hard to let a guy like him go from a cultural perspective.

If we let him go, and take picks 3, 4, 15?, plus Banfield, Walley and Evans from next years draft man thatd be hard to turn down.

 

[Goomba1973]

He'll sign up on an 8 year deal before the end of Summer training you'd think. Which would mean if Sydney are keen we ccould do a straight swap for Warner and keep our F1s for Redreigez and Curtin.

I'd be more inclined about FA than a straight swap. Pick 3 (ladder position) Pick 4 Compensation pick for OA and the Hawks F1, will give us a bit more wiggle room than a straight swap. We could split 3 or 4 depending on if there are any takers and collect another 1st rounder . I'd love to see Rodriguez, Curtin and Banfield all come to WC next year.

 

[Goomba1973]

Its probably best to let him go from a list management perspective if we see more good stuff from Archer, but its really hard to let a guy like him go from a cultural perspective.

If we let him go, and take picks 3, 4, 15?, plus Banfield, Walley and Evans from next years draft man thatd be hard to turn down.

I don't think it will hurt too much from a cultural perspective , I think WC has kind of worked that with Reid and Baker . Archer is a gun and will be a very good forward for us.

 

[stallon]

I don't think it will hurt too much from a cultural perspective , I think WC has kind of worked that with Reid and Baker . Archer is a gun and will be a very good forward for us.

Not really, Allen is the captain and is definitely a leader of the club. Reid and Baker have nothing to do with it, im not just talking about training standards or whatever.
We have the ability to retain him. By not retaining him just to get a pick and allow Archer to get games it doesnt sound great

 

[Eastern Rangers]

All this talk of talls is pure nightmare fuel. From a list management perspective we need ball movement and running power.

 

[Dale Doback]

Allen turned in too many passive games last year to be captain. Too many responses like "The leadership group needs to own this" and then we put in another 2 quarter effort next week. The talent is there, but he's not in the same class as Curnow, Cameron, Hogan, Lynch (healthy), Daniher, Larkey etc. He's had an almost career so far and probably won't age well with the knee issues.
And he can't get fit enough to push up to the wing on long leads like Waterman can and create space behind him for others. I'd rather we put time into Reid at 203 and Williams (Jack, not that spud Bailey) at 200 at FF and see what happens.