List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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• Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
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[stallon]

Allen turned in too many passive games last year to be captain. Too many responses like "The leadership group needs to own this" and then we put in another 2 quarter effort next week. The talent is there, but he's not in the same class as Curnow, Cameron, Hogan, Lynch (healthy), Daniher, Larkey etc. He's had an almost career so far and probably won't age well with the knee issues.
And he can't get fit enough to push up to the wing on long leads like Waterman can and create space behind him for others. I'd rather we put time into Reid at 203 and Williams at 200 at FF and see what happens.

Could argue that theres is only so much he can do as a KPF to impact games that are lost in the midfield(almost all of our losses).
Most of those other KPFs you listed are playing in strong sides with good midfields delivering silver service, Allen has our rabble sending it forward. Its not really comparable at all

 

[Goomba1973]

That would be a HUGE call, I dont think we would push him out. Hes a WA local, Wce fan as a kid, captain of the club, etc. Would be a very bad look if he left via FA when we could have kept him as a restricted free agent. What sort of message does it send to the rest of the players, fans and prospective future players?

Our best bet was letting Waterman explore a trade this year, but that wasnt to be. Idk how we get Archer into the side unless we find a way to run with 4 talls in the forward line, or convert somebody to another role, like KPD or potentially Waterman plays further up the ground on a wing(if his 2024 form was a purple patch).

Jack Williams could swing back as a tall defender and have Waterman and Archer as our two talls in he forward line. Keep Waterman closer to goal .

 

[Monsterdarlz]

Wouldn’t be against trialling Archer and Jilliams as a 50/50 foward ruck split during games

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Could argue that theres is only so much he can do as a KPF to impact games that are lost in the midfield(almost all of our losses).
Most of those other KPFs you listed are playing in strong sides with good midfields delivering silver service, Allen has our rabble sending it forward. Its not really comparable at all

His defensive efforts were deplorable last year, given he wasn’t the only one, but as captain you expect better.

If he wasn’t captain, I think the club would entertain the idea and see how long we can leave the contract into the year, before making a decision. See where we are on the ladder, get an idea of compensation and see what Warner or other targets are doing.

 

[stallon]

His defensive efforts were deplorable last year, given he wasn’t the only one, but as captain you expect better.

If he wasn’t captain, I think the club would entertain the idea and see how long we can leave the contract into the year, before making a decision. See where we are on the ladder, get an idea of compensation and see what Warner or other targets are doing.

I agree with bolded, him being captain now makes it hard to do.
Id still be open to it though if Allen doesnt have an outstanding year and we can get a top 5 pick for him. Providing that we can trust our other 3 KPFs to perform still.
Waterman needs to back up 2024, J.Williams needs to keep improving, and Archer needs to really be pushing for game time.

 

[Mattman93]

Twomey doesn't really 'link' us with Shanahan or any of the players he names; he's asked about us, doesn't seem to have much of a firm idea, and just rattles off the handful of best players likely available around our pick.

Think we can disregard.

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

I'm thinking we will draft only 4 players including Champion and sign up 2 SSP players.
We need to hit next year's draft hard along (including F/S & next gen academy players), with possibly more players traded in. So we need to be flexible in regards to list spots and not have extra players signed past 2025.

 

[Keys]

Set play should be Dewar to Cat A if there is even a remote chance Champion gets through to Cat B and select Max Knobel at pick 3 in the rookie draft.

That would leave 6 spots that could be split between the main list, Cat A rookies and DFA/SSP. I think 3 ND picks, another Cat A rookie and Carroll, Burgiel via the DFA/SSP is most likely at this stage.

Upgrading Dewar from Cat B to the rookie list is an unnecessary risk. If a bid comes for Champion then we will have achieved nothing other than cost ourselves a list spot for no other benefit

Leave Dewar as a Cat B

If no bid comes for Champion then select him with our last pick in the main draft

Or with our first pick in the rookie draft unless we are considering Knobel like you’ve suggested

 

[Keys]

If Josh Smillie slid all the way to our pick, would people be happy about that?

It’s unlikely, but possible

Ignoring FS/academy bids :

1 - Lalor (Richmond)
2 - Tauru (North can’t find a buyer for 2 but go a KPP over a mid anyway)
3 - O’Sullivan (Carlton)
4 - Draper (Adelaide)
5 - Smith (Melbourne)
6 - Reid (Richmond - complimentary mid for Lalor)
7 - Armstrong (St Kilda - need a KPF to support King)
8 - Travaglia (St Kilda)
9 - Allan (Melbourne are rumoured to be keen)
10 - Langford (Richmond to round out their midfield)
11 - Shanahan (Richmond - next best KPF and might not want to risk him lasting to 18, already have 3 mids. Alternatively they go Lindsay)
12 - Smillie (West Coast)

Relies heavily on North going early on Tauru and also Melbourne going Allan over Smillie/Langford

Richmond could pick Smillie over Langford which only means Langford then slides to our pick instead

Personally think it would be an unanticipated bonus and go some way to repairing the damage of trading pick 3 (good luck rather than good planning to be fair)

Happy for anyone to point out flaws in my logic

 

[Goomba1973]

If Josh Smillie slid all the way to our pick, would people be happy about that?

It’s unlikely, but possible

Ignoring FS/academy bids :

1 - Lalor (Richmond)
2 - Tauru (North can’t find a buyer for 2 but go a KPP over a mid anyway)
3 - O’Sullivan (Carlton)
4 - Draper (Adelaide)
5 - Smith (Melbourne)
6 - Reid (Richmond - complimentary mid for Lalor)
7 - Armstrong (St Kilda - need a KPF to support King)
8 - Travaglia (St Kilda)
9 - Allan (Melbourne are rumoured to be keen)
10 - Langford (Richmond to round out their midfield)
11 - Shanahan (Richmond - next best KPF and might not want to risk him lasting to 18, already have 3 mids. Alternatively they go Lindsay)
12 - Smillie (West Coast)

Relies heavily on North going early on Tauru and also Melbourne going Allan over Smillie/Langford

Richmond could pick Smillie over Langford which only means Langford then slides to our pick instead

Personally think it would be an unanticipated bonus and go some way to repairing the damage of trading pick 3 (good luck rather than good planning to be fair)

Happy for anyone to point out flaws in my logic

I would happy with Smillie if he slides to our first pick.

 

[stallon]

If Josh Smillie slid all the way to our pick, would people be happy about that?

It’s unlikely, but possible

Ignoring FS/academy bids :

1 - Lalor (Richmond)
2 - Tauru (North can’t find a buyer for 2 but go a KPP over a mid anyway)
3 - O’Sullivan (Carlton)
4 - Draper (Adelaide)
5 - Smith (Melbourne)
6 - Reid (Richmond - complimentary mid for Lalor)
7 - Armstrong (St Kilda - need a KPF to support King)
8 - Travaglia (St Kilda)
9 - Allan (Melbourne are rumoured to be keen)
10 - Langford (Richmond to round out their midfield)
11 - Shanahan (Richmond - next best KPF and might not want to risk him lasting to 18, already have 3 mids. Alternatively they go Lindsay)
12 - Smillie (West Coast)

Relies heavily on North going early on Tauru and also Melbourne going Allan over Smillie/Langford

Richmond could pick Smillie over Langford which only means Langford then slides to our pick instead

Personally think it would be an unanticipated bonus and go some way to repairing the damage of trading pick 3 (good luck rather than good planning to be fair)

Happy for anyone to point out flaws in my logic

Hes not really who I want, but I feel we'd be forced to take him as best available. Would be a good get if that was the final result for sure. He could really go at pick 3 too and he is a mid, so from that perspective we havent lost much by going down the order.
He would be more or less what we wanted Ginbey to be as a mid, which is fine.

Id rather Allan or Travaglia if they were there too, but Smillie probably a touch ahead of Lindsay for me.

Smillie + Oliver + Davis/Moraes + Champion would be my preference in the draft in lieu of a KPD if we take 4 picks and Smillie. Want some more outside ball use/run.
Go in with the full intention of getting Rodriguez and Curtin next year to round out the squad.

 

[We_The_West]

If Josh Smillie slid all the way to our pick, would people be happy about that?

It’s unlikely, but possible

Ignoring FS/academy bids :

1 - Lalor (Richmond)
2 - Tauru (North can’t find a buyer for 2 but go a KPP over a mid anyway)
3 - O’Sullivan (Carlton)
4 - Draper (Adelaide)
5 - Smith (Melbourne)
6 - Reid (Richmond - complimentary mid for Lalor)
7 - Armstrong (St Kilda - need a KPF to support King)
8 - Travaglia (St Kilda)
9 - Allan (Melbourne are rumoured to be keen)
10 - Langford (Richmond to round out their midfield)
11 - Shanahan (Richmond - next best KPF and might not want to risk him lasting to 18, already have 3 mids. Alternatively they go Lindsay)
12 - Smillie (West Coast)

Relies heavily on North going early on Tauru and also Melbourne going Allan over Smillie/Langford

Richmond could pick Smillie over Langford which only means Langford then slides to our pick instead

Personally think it would be an unanticipated bonus and go some way to repairing the damage of trading pick 3 (good luck rather than good planning to be fair)

Happy for anyone to point out flaws in my logic

I think it all depends on what WC's strategy is with it's first pick, whether it's draft the best available talent or pick based on position/role.

If Smillie is available at our first pick (and this is viewed as a big slider of high value), does WC draft Smillie with the thought that current players on our list can fill other roles? E.g. Would it be worth considering developing Hewett in the half back/distributor role that Daicos and Sheezel played in their first years?

Alternatively, if clubs view Smillie as a high value slider, what live trades would WC be able to entertain to slide back a few spots and bring in another R2 pick. Richmond and GWS would be ideal for this scenario

 

[stallon]

I think it all depends on what WC's strategy is with it's first pick, whether it's draft the best available talent or pick based on position/role.

If Smillie is available at our first pick (and this is viewed as a big slider of high value), does WC draft Smillie with the thought that current players on our list can fill other roles? E.g. Would it be worth considering developing Hewett in the half back/distributor role that Daicos and Sheezel played in their first years?

More likely to put Smillie at half back than Hewett imo. Those explosive mids are probably better off sitting forward if not in the middle. Smillie has a nicer kick on him too that could be nice at half back for a year if we dont want to give him bulk mid minutes in his first year.
Really we should look elsewhere for a half back distributor imo.

Smillie definitely makes the midfield mix a bit awkward. Having Reid, Hewett and Smillie in there at once is a bit too young, Id guess Reid and Hewett are the ones to spend time forward to make it work with Yeo, Kelly and Graham.

Smillie, Reid, Hewett does sound like a good combo in 3-4 years time though.

Alternatively, if clubs view Smillie as a high value slider, what live trades would WC be able to entertain to slide back a few spots and bring in another R2 pick. Richmond and GWS would be ideal for this scenario

Dont like the idea of sliding either, unless we can go back just the 1 spot to still take Lindsay lol. The 15-20 area of the draft is pretty meh imo, at least for us. A lot of talls and players who could be picked in the 20s.
You start looking at a guy like Hynes as our first pick, kind of yuk.

 

[We_The_West]

More likely to put Smillie at half back than Hewett imo. Those explosive mids are probably better off sitting forward if not in the middle. Smillie has a nicer kick on him too that could be nice at half back for a year if we dont want to give him bulk mid minutes in his first year.
Really we should look elsewhere for a half back distributor imo.

Smillie definitely makes the midfield mix a bit awkward. Having Reid, Hewett and Smillie in there at once is a bit too young, Id guess Reid and Hewett are the ones to spend time forward to make it work with Yeo, Kelly and Graham.

Smillie, Reid, Hewett does sound like a good combo in 3-4 years time though.

Dont like the idea of sliding either, unless we can go back just the 1 spot to still take Lindsay lol. The 15-20 area of the draft is pretty meh imo, at least for us. A lot of talls and players who could be picked in the 20s.
You start looking at a guy like Hynes as our first pick, kind of yuk.

My issue with having Smillie as a mid is not his ability to impact clearance, it is post clearance that concerns me.

The importance of team defense and two way running in the modern game can't be played down, and this is what worries me about Smillie as his speed and endurance have question marks.

I already worry that Reid is not a 2 way runners or defensively minded, and there are not many balanced 195cm mids that have made it in the AFL. I can think of Cripps, Bont and Blakey, with Jarrod Berry and Noah Anderson at 192cm....

I agree and think the 15-25 area of the draft is not appealing types of players for us, I think there will be a plethora of great value pick ups in the 25-50 range.

We also drafted Clay Hall and Jack Hutchinson (both 190cm) who are projected to play mid and both we have barely seen and have large upside.

Call me crazy but I really hope the outside player we are pinning our hopes and dreams on is already on our list.

Brady Hough

Brady Hough Draft Profile

central.rookieme.com

This man is a gun lockdown defender, but we need to unleash his 191cm frame into the midfield.

** We also have a string bean 196cm Ryan Maric with elite skills who could chug down some protein powder and develop into Darcy Moore.