List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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• Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
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[garlic munchers]

What is going throught your recruiters heads?????

What is going through your recruiters heads????? Your team is obviuosly in dier need of key position players.And your desperately need forwards. What where they thinking, yes Judd looks the good as a strong midfielder. But no club in the AFL needs key position players like Polak.Polak was...

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Lol, that floglodyte Sabre.

Actually if you read the thread, it’s overwhelming supportive of picking Judd as best available over a specific type of player?

 

[squashface]

It’s going to be Finn O’Sullivan and it’s going to be over a decade of regret.

Yeah but we'll get a low production flanker so who's gonna be laughing then

 

[RanaNaved]

I hope the ones melting over missing FOS aren’t the same people that are questioning Allan’s production.

They're too blinkered at this point.

If a neutral was watching FOS and Allan at the champs and comparing them, Allan would be miles ahead

 

[eaglevision]

They're too blinkered at this point.

If a neutral was watching FOS and Allan at the champs and comparing them, Allan would be miles ahead

Are you talking about the two games he played on managed minutes due to injury this year or the all Australian year he had last year a bottom ager?

 

[Monocle]

I hope the ones melting over missing FOS aren’t the same people that are questioning Allan’s production.

They're too blinkered at this point.

If a neutral was watching FOS and Allan at the champs and comparing them, Allan would be miles ahead

Bending the truth a bit here gents.

I don't see to many questioning Allans footballing credentials/production, ( call it whatever you like ), rather I have read several commenting on the similarities to Ginbey and even Allan himself in the AFL interview sees himself as a HBF, very good one mind you.

I don't speak for others but I have said and posted several times that I can see him down the track becoming a very handy wingman and "Yes", I consider wingmen midfielders.

RavaNaved your point is valid that based on this seasons carnival, Allan measures better, however the body of work at the champs over two years, not so much

Blinkered you say, maybe our narrative is different to yours and it can be, that two peoples view and interpretations of things differ and neither is right or wrong, just different.

I think we can all agree that real genuine inside midfield clearance players, are a critical Club need, so excuse those of us who lament not being able to get one with our first pick this year.

 

[Shueygod]

Are you talking about the two games he played on managed minutes due to injury this year or the all Australian year he had last year a bottom ager?

Assume he racked up big numbers in the Coates league late in the year then?

Bending the truth a bit here gents.

I don't see to many questioning Allans footballing credentials/production, ( call it whatever you like ), rather I have read several commenting on the similarities to Ginbey and even Allan himself in the AFL interview sees himself as a HBF, very good one mind you.

I don't speak for others but I have said and posted several times that I can see him down the track becoming a very handy wingman and "Yes", I consider wingmen midfielders.

RavaNaved your point is valid that based on this seasons carnival, Allan measures better, however the body of work at the champs over two years, not so much

Blinkered you say, maybe our narrative is different to yours and it can be, that two peoples view and interpretations of things differ and neither is right or wrong, just different.

I think we can all agree that real genuine inside midfield clearance players, are a critical Club need, so excuse those of us who lament not being able to get one with our first pick this year.

FOS did not prove himself as a real genuine inside mid this year.

Consistent takes from this board:

• We shouldn’t draft injury prone players
• We shouldn’t draft based off underage years
• We shouldn’t draft low production mids

Now I actually do rate FOS as one of the best talents in the draft, but the melting over a guy who goes against all three of those is pretty interesting.

 

[random260]

Assume he racked up big numbers in the Coates league late in the year then?


FOS did not prove himself as a real genuine inside mid this year.

Consistent takes from this board:

• We shouldn’t draft injury prone players
• We shouldn’t draft based off underage years
• We shouldn’t draft low production mids

Now I actually do rate FOS as one of the best talents in the draft, but the melting over a guy who goes against all three of those is pretty interesting.

Let be real. FOS wouldn't have lasted pick 3. There's no conversation to be had there.

The melting for me is missing out Sid Draper. Back to back All Australian and Sanfl proven player.

I'd argue we would be in a much better place with Sid Draper 3 and Xavier Lindsay 14

 

[Monocle]

Assume he racked up big numbers in the Coates league late in the year then?


FOS did not prove himself as a real genuine inside mid this year.

Consistent takes from this board:

• We shouldn’t draft injury prone players
• We shouldn’t draft based off underage years
• We shouldn’t draft low production mids

Now I actually do rate FOS as one of the best talents in the draft, but the melting over a guy who goes against all three of those is pretty interesting.

Not fussed on FOS specifically, more so the principle .... use Draper, Smith, Reid or even Smillie ... you pick ... the point still stands .

We miss out on a player ,who has shown that they excel at inside clearance work.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

It’s going to be Finn O’Sullivan and it’s going to be over a decade of regret.

But just think of the leadership and off field impact we're going to get from Baker.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

1. The surgery he had wasnt on his hip. It was on his pelvis. The actual hip joint don't get touched in the realignment procedure he had done.

Also, Water polo doesn't ruin your hips. That's just not the case.

2. Good, we need more figjam. I've had enough of Mr nice guy, " he's quality person".

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My friend was a Olympic water polo player. She had both hips reconed by the time she was 30 . She will need both hips replaced by the time she is 45 .

It very common apparently

 

[We_The_West]

But just think of the leadership and off field impact we're going to get from Baker.

In an ideal world, Baker and Graham provide that "on field coach" role and help direct the players' running patterns and implement Mini's game plan.

There was a lot of references to Pendlebury's ability to perform this role during the Magpies successful 2022 campaign.

Baker was touted as Richmond's next captain and Graham was an U18 captain and displays leadership qualities so I am somewhat hopeful there will be a net positive outcome.

 

[We_The_West]

I'm not sure how many points we need next year to match f/s and academy picks though, plus ideally we drive a hard bargain on Warner and try get away with paying only a first and a second or 2 seconds or else we are not going to have much of a draft next year. Happy to keep whatever we need for Banfield next year and let Wally go through to the keeper if it means taking a kid/s in that 30-40s range this year instead.

I think Walley will be rated a lot higher next year than Champion was this year.

6 disposals, 6 marks and 6 goals a game........Unreal efficiency......

 

[ghostbat12]

In an ideal world, Baker and Graham provide that "on field coach" role and help direct the players' running patterns and implement Mini's game plan.

There was a lot of references to Pendlebury's ability to perform this role during the Magpies successful 2022 campaign.

Baker was touted as Richmond's next captain and Graham was an U18 captain and displays leadership qualities so I am somewhat hopeful there will be a net positive outcome.

Issue aren’t baker and graham necessarily. It’s Clarke and his lack of negotiation skills. Baker and graham are victims of his stupidity.

He ain’t gonna last long if this continues. If he screws up Reid salary negotiation and Warner this year, he is curtains. And if he isn’t, pyke needs to go.

Unfortunately that’s what happens when you turn everyone at club over. Lots of first-timers in roles and lack of proper mentorship can lead to a mini chaos as people learn. Unfortunately they end up giving up pick 3 while they do that.

 

[We_The_West]

Issue aren’t baker and graham necessarily. It’s Clarke and his lack of negotiation skills. Baker and graham are victims of his stupidity.

He ain’t gonna last long if this continues. If he screws up Reid salary negotiation and Warner this year, he is curtains. And if he isn’t, pyke needs to go.

Unfortunately that’s what happens when you turn everyone at club over. Lots of first-timers in roles and lack of proper mentorship can lead to a mini chaos as people learn. Unfortunately they end up giving up pick 3 while they do that.

Can’t fault the club for wanting to initiate change.

Doing the same thing with the same people in charge is not going get different results.

We all assume Clarke got bent over at every opportunity, but we really know f all what was negotiated between camps.

I think the changes this year have been warranted and well overdue

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Actually if you read the thread, it’s overwhelming supportive of picking Judd as best available over a specific type of player?

Read the actual draft thread. Melt upon melt. We had Cuzz and Kerr, but gaps at KPD. The vast majority wanted Polak. My post was in response to the melting going on in another thread. No one was backing Judd up until then.

 

[Obeanie1]

Issue aren’t baker and graham necessarily. It’s Clarke and his lack of negotiation skills. Baker and graham are victims of his stupidity.

He ain’t gonna last long if this continues. If he screws up Reid salary negotiation and Warner this year, he is curtains. And if he isn’t, pyke needs to go.

Unfortunately that’s what happens when you turn everyone at club over. Lots of first-timers in roles and lack of proper mentorship can lead to a mini chaos as people learn. Unfortunately they end up giving up pick 3 while they do that.

Every individual has strengths and weaknesses. I am 100% sure the club now understands where Clarke needs support. I am also 100% sure Clarke wont be the person negotiating Harley's contract nor Warner's. That will be Pyke and a senior list committee providing their thoughts and input.

 

[eaglevision]

Every persin has strengths and weaknesses. I am 100% sure the club now understands where Clarke needs support. I am also 100% sure Clarke wont be the person negotiating Harley's contract nor Warner's. That will be Pyke and a senior list committee providing their thoughts and input.

It’s just bizarre that an elite professional sporting organisation -the biggest in the land- needed to blow up an entire trade period and piss the one resource were given for such a rubbish season down the toilet in order to understand that Clarke need support is incompetent. You don’t hire a pilot and give him a full flight to see if he can fly a plane.

My thoughts on Clarke have been made clear but I have to give him credit with respect to the delistings. Other than re-signing Rawlinson (too many good rookie options this year) I agree with every delist decision he has made and I’m not sure that a nepotistic appointment would have done the same. If we’re not going to sack him then his role should be limited to literally managing the list only. No role in negotiations or assigning value to players and for the love of god keep him out of the war room on draft day.

 

[WAFClatfd]

100% and if Obeanie1 wants to label us bedwetters then so be it.

We done ****ed up the Baker trade.

Agree, we are no bed wetter just realistic. To many have blind faith that the club will get it right. Not much proof of that in recent times. Hope bed wetters are proved wrong. But plenty of proof that we won't be for years.

 

[Obeanie1]

It’s just bizarre that an elite professional sporting organisation -the biggest in the land- needed to blow up an entire trade period and piss the one resource were given for such a rubbish season down the toilet in order to understand that Clarke need support is incompetent. You don’t hire a pilot and give him a full flight to see if he can fly a plane.

My thoughts on Clarke have been made clear but I have to give him credit with respect to the delistings. Other than re-signing Rawlinson (too many good rookie options this year) I agree with every delist decision he has made and I’m not sure that a nepotistic appointment would have done the same. If we’re not going to sack him then his role should be limited to literally managing the list only. No role in negotiations or assigning value to players and for the love of god keep him out of the war room on draft day.

It wasnt Clarke's call alone.

You do realise and accept this dont you?

Others had to have agreed with his view for anything to happen. Clarke is not the judge, jury and executioner in all things list management at the Eagles.

If you think Clarke is a list management dictator and no-one else has a say then ......well you arent thinking.

If this trade period is a failure then it is a failure of the list committee and Pyke. Not just one individual. Thats the point.

 

[eaglevision]

It wasnt Clarke's call alone.

You do realise and accept this dont you?

Others had to have agreed with his view for anything to happen. Clarke is not the judge, jury and executioner in all things list management at the Eagles.

If you think Clarke is a list management dictator and no-one else has a say then ......well you arent thinking.

If this trade period is a failure then it is a failure of the list committee and Pyke. Not just one individual. Thats the point.

I accept that there were more final decision makers than Clarke but what you need to accept is that we were backed into a corner when Clarke ALONE promised Richmond that pick for Baker.

Don Pyke didn’t promise that pick, nor did our recruiters or Gavin Bell. It was Clarke and only Clarke. He is incompetent and a terrible representative for the club in negotiations.

 

[Obeanie1]

I accept that there were more final decision makers than Clarke but what you need to accept is that we were backed into a corner when Clarke ALONE promised Richmond that pick for Baker.

Don Pyke didn’t promise that pick, nor did our recruiters or Gavin Bell. It was Clarke and only Clarke. He is incompetent and a terrible representative for the club in negotiations.

I question how do you know any of that?

We're you there?

 

[BartBart]

Another top 30 draft list (on talent, not on who goes where)

AFL draft top 30: Ranking the best prospects set to take the league by storm

The 2024 AFL draft is right around the corner and promises to be one of the most unpredictable in years. Here are our rankings of the 30 best talents set to be drafted this year.

www.abc.net.au

 

[tigger_ferret]

I think Walley will be rated a lot higher next year than Champion was this year.

6 disposals, 6 marks and 6 goals a game........Unreal efficiency......

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[mat11]

Even if Allan v FOS were similar why wouldn't you just go...

3 - Tauru
14 (barass) - Allan or Lindsay

3 + whatever we got for barass should never have been involved with baker. It simply can't be justified imo

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