List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

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• Oct 17 to Nov 8: Pick swap window
• Nov 1 to Nov 8: Delisted free agency period
• Nov 20-21: Telstra AFL Draft
• Nov 22: Telstra Pre-Season Draft and Rookie Draft

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• 6 Main list
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Current Draft Picks

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• Main Draft - 12,26,73,81,99
• Rookie Draft - 3

Recent News
• Luke Edwards delisted after deciding to step away from football due to ongoing concussion symptoms

 

[eaglevision]

If so that looks like a late pick for a KP defender is on the cards.

Not surprising just indicates we wont go early on a KP defender.

Agreed. Dennis is a far better prospect than Bell IMO but like I mentioned a few weeks ago, he’s very unlikely to get past the 50s. Getting 46 off Essendon in a pick swap and taking Dennis would be good business if he’s still available and we don’t plan on using an early pick on a KPD. A combo of Lindsay, Oliver, Moraes/Davis/Ough and Dennis would be a good result.

 

[Obeanie1]

Agreed. Dennis is a far better prospect than Bell IMO but like I mentioned a few weeks ago, he’s very unlikely to get past the 50s. Getting 46 off Essendon in a pick swap and taking Dennis would be good business if he’s still available and we don’t plan on using an early pick on a KPD. A combo of Lindsay, Oliver, Moraes/Davis/Ough and Dennis would be a good result.

Yep. Dennis should be plan A.

Bell plan B maybe? Even a rookie spot for Bell plus Dennis late in the draft would firm up our list profile a tad.

Grab the next local Barrass in the 3rd round. Job done.

 

[eaglevision]

Yep. Dennis should be plan A.

Bell plan B maybe? Even a rookie spot for Bell plus Dennis late in the draft would firm up our list profile a tad.

Grab the next local Barrass in the 3rd round. Job done.

There’s a couple of good options late. Stumpf with his athletic profile would be a late pick I’d be happy with to develop as a KPD and would suit Harry Edwards if he can make it. Zaydyn Lockwood is another late pick that I like. eaglespremiers would have the best mail on him.

Don’t want to go early on a Whitlock (after 30 absolute minimum) and no thanks to Gerreyn.

I wouldn’t leave O’Farrell or Barrat on the board if available and we got Essendon picks 28 and 31.

 

[TOA.]

Yep. Dennis should be plan A.

Bell plan B maybe? Even a rookie spot for Bell plus Dennis late in the draft would firm up our list profile a tad.

Grab the next local Barrass in the 3rd round. Job done.

Has Dennis done 2 naviculars already? The article suggests so. If it is the case, that is a pretty big red flag and could even mean he slides into the rookie draft surely.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

There’s a few idiots on here I’d like to Ough!!

Meet at the glory hole

 

[eaglevision]

Has Dennis done 2 naviculars already? The article suggests so. If it is the case, that is a pretty big red flag and could even mean he slides into the rookie draft surely.

Poorly reported. Not comparable to the Navicular injury Mraz sustained for example. Very confident he’s not getting past Collingwood’s three picks in the 50s.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

Again, refer to Hawthorn’s method this year and see how improving bottom end, can improve a whole team performance.

Your argument last time I said this was “yea but I don’t think they can win a premiership” now you are saying, you can’t get out of the bottom 6 using this method??

You’re going around in circles Malakai Champion.

The assignment is to build a flag side (multiple flag side), rather than build a side that stays mid table. Focus on the top end, and the bottom end will come.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Sorry i'm back after being sucked into the US Presidential election wormhole for a couple of weeks.

What's the verdict on Knobel? He's been delisted by the Dockers right? Is he someone we can pick up? Is he worth it?

From what i've seen he seems to have more potential than any of our young rucks?

 

[amazingjoshy]

The assignment is to build a flag side (multiple flag side), rather than build a side that stays mid table.

Pretending there's only one to go about this is the issue

I'd also argue that the assignment for WC currently is to become an actual semi competitive and respectable football team again firstly

 

[EagleEgo]

I'm begging can someone please tell me the correct pronunciation of Jack Ough's last name?

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[ToastieBoy18]

The assignment is to build a flag side (multiple flag side), rather than build a side that stays mid table. Focus on the top end, and the bottom end will come.

Completely agree. However you said 'In What world do you think improving the bottom 6 will improve our team'.

I've simply replied to that comment - asking you to look at Hawthorns model as they finished 16th, added 4 depth players and 12 months later were a kick away from a prelim. Once again, not saying this is my preference for West Coast to do the same, but you are contradicting yourself.

Hawthorn's plan, was build bottom end, become competitive and then attract top end, which is exactly what they have done and will go into 2025 as a potential top 4 side, when 18 months before they were bottom 4.

Along the way you need natural progression from younger players, need a nice draw from the AFL and need senior players to stay healthy.

 

[Grahame]

Pretending there's only one to go about this is the issue

Yep. The definition of improvement is to raise the average skill level.

That can be done in a number of ways. Increase top end. Increase bottom end. Improvement of all players. Or probably all of those. (Others?)

And ‘improvement of all’ can be done in various ways. New coach. New game style. Better training. Better ‘standards’. Better surroundings (e.g. admin, facilities). Etc etc

Could also bring in external factors like less travel. More home games. Blah blah.

It gets a bit tiresome hearing people claim there is only one formula and that they know it - to the exclusion of all other views. Black and white thinking.

 

[Obeanie1]

Pretending there's only one to go about this is the issue

I'd also argue that the assignment for WC currently is to become an actual semi competitive and respectable football team again firstly

Exactly.

People question why we have brought in types such as Hunt, Graham and Flynn as free agents.

Plus Baker, Owies and Brockman as trades.

They lift the floor. They set the standards. These are the players you also need to win flags.

Each premiership side has 6 or 7 guns surrounded by quality role players. You don't get the right role players no flag. Just like if you don't get the right 6 or 7 guns.....no flag.

You do not ignore one and focus just on the other. It is close to impossible to do that in any case. Clubs only have so many top picks to land gun players.

With only 1 natural first round pick per year it takes time to draft the 6 or 7 guns. Or you use your 1st rounders to trade them in.

In the mean time you keep chipping away at improving the quality of your role players and your depth.

All very logical.

 

[WCErevival]

Exactly.

People question why we have brought in types such as Hunt, Graham and Flynn as free agents.

Plus Baker, Owies and Brockman as trades.

They lift the floor. They set the standards. These are the players you also need to win flags.

Each premiership side has 6 or 7 guns surrounded by quality role players. You don't get the right role players no flag. Just like if you don't get the right 6 or 7 guns.....no flag.

You do not ignore one and focus just on the other. It is close to impossible to do that in any case. Clubs only have so many top picks to land gun players.

With only 1 natural first round pick per year it takes time to draft the 6 or 7 guns. Or you use your 1st rounders to trade them in.

In the mean time you keep chipping away at improving the quality of your role players and your depth.

All very logical.

Like lifting the floor with a sheet of lino.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

With only 1 natural first round pick per year it takes time to draft the 6 or 7 guns. Or you use your 1st rounders to trade them in.

A lot correct in your post

The issue I have is that you ensure first rounders are given up are for guns and not role players that set the floor higher.

Sadly Baker being traded has reduced us from using 2 x R1 - pick 3 was a pretty much guaranteed gun, as is pick 14 in this draft

Clarke made a big mistake not making the Baker trade a current or future R2.

Hence getting 6 guns has been delayed. But don’t worry, great standards will be set in the locker room and on the field

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Exactly.

People question why we have brought in types such as Hunt, Graham and Flynn as free agents.

Plus Baker, Owies and Brockman as trades.

They lift the floor. They set the standards. These are the players you also need to win flags.

Each premiership side has 6 or 7 guns surrounded by quality role players. You don't get the right role players no flag. Just like if you don't get the right 6 or 7 guns.....no flag.

You do not ignore one and focus just on the other. It is close to impossible to do that in any case. Clubs only have so many top picks to land gun players.

With only 1 natural first round pick per year it takes time to draft the 6 or 7 guns. Or you use your 1st rounders to trade them in.

In the mean time you keep chipping away at improving the quality of your role players and your depth.

All very logical.

It's logical. I think people are a little upset at the potential overpays we've made in lifting the floor.

 

[bigmikles089]

Hearing that Koby Evans, Wes Walley, Cody Curtin and Fred Rodriguez have all made the National Academy for 2025.

 

[Wedgetailed Westerner]

A lot correct in your post

The issue I have is that you ensure first rounders are given up are for guns and not role players that set the floor higher.

Sadly Baker being traded has reduced us from using 2 x R1 - pick 3 was a pretty much guaranteed gun, as is pick 14 in this draft

Clarke made a big mistake not making the Baker trade a current or future R2.

Hence getting 6 guns has been delayed. But don’t worry, great standards will be set in the locker room and on the field

I agree with what you are saying here ATG.
However, we'd don't know or are no privy to alot of the details that the recruiters have in regards to draftees.
If what Phil said is correct there were alot of red flags on the kids available to us at three and who we wanted would be unavailable.
So we were never going to keep pick 3.
Now, did we over pay for Baker. In all our eyes we certainly did. The issue I have is, was it Clarke that promised the world to Baker or someone else? You would think the list Manager would be the one. However, we have been into Baker every time he has been out of contract. That leaves me with the question.
How much work did we do last year to nab him?

 

[No Hassle Hough]

I agree with what you are saying here ATG.
However, we'd don't know or are no privy to alot of the details that the recruiters have in regards to draftees.
If what Phil said is correct there were alot of red flags on the kids available to us at three and who we wanted would be unavailable.
So we were never going to keep pick 3.
Now, did we over pay for Baker. In all our eyes we certainly did. The issue I have is, was it Clarke that promised the world to Baker or someone else? You would think the list Manager would be the one. However, we have been into Baker every time he has been out of contract. That leaves me with the question.
How much work did we do last year to nab him?

You may be giving our list management team too much credit.

If anybody could tell us before the draft; who our preferred pick at 3 was (that wouldn't be there), it would make sense. However, they can't/won't.

I am sure we will hear after the draft that, whoever Richmond draft at 1 was our preferred target, several others of the top 6 had go home factor and the players left we rated the same as our pick at 12.

Now the above could all be true, but just as likely could be club spin.

I am not having a go at any particular poster(s). Just my cynical take on the situation.