List Mgmt. The 2024 Draft (Nov 20/21)

[Keys]

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Key Dates
• Nov 20-21: Telstra AFL Draft
• Nov 22: Telstra Pre-Season Draft and Rookie Draft

List Spots Available
• 6 Main list
• 1 Rookie list

Available Draft Picks
• Main Draft - 12,26,72,77,87,92
• Rookie Draft - 3

 

[Keys]

Hadn't really considered this, but could we do a pick upgrade with the Saints. Let's say we really rate someone at Saints Pick 8 and we offer 12 and F2?

Only really Jagga or Draper I'd do that for personally, otherwise I'd wait to see who is available at 12.

Saints maybe do that if they were intending to take Armstrong with their second pick and don’t see much difference between him and Shanahan/Whitlock

It’d need to be one of Langford, Smith, Draper or Smillie for it to be worthwhile for us. Not sure Travaglia justifies it given we’re guaranteed at least one of Lindsay, Allan or Reid with pick 12

 

[flyinghi64]

I'm just looking forward to the commentators calling "Reid wins the clearance and gets it out to Reid who hit's Reid lace out. Reid runs past for the handpass and kicks it"

That's what you call a Reidy made game plan.

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Any Reids in next years draft crop?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

What happened to him being a massive flight risk and a dickhead?

At this point, I'd even let The Wizard fly West.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

What might work?

Surely our F1 is off the table but the Hawthorn F1 could be

Would GWS(21), Sydney(22) or Richmond(23) take that Hawthorn F1 in a straight swap? Is that good value for us?

Personally I'd rather 2 picks in the 30-40 range or a shot at Curtin next year.

Don't see a huge premium on the players in that range that drives a desperate need to target that area of the draft.

 

[TOA.]

https://archive.is/Alu6A

Interesting this has some combine testing results that I had not seen before. Langford 3.24 for 20 is slowww, and Travagelia at 3.19 is also slow although he's not necessarily a mid. Based on that I think TT may get to our pick. Conversely, Smilie is seen as slow but 3.09 isnt too bad.

I know pace isnt everything but having burst as a mid very handy, especially with the new centre bounces.

 

[Chris_6678]

A Ried X 3 Midfield is what im here for.

 

[Hook461123]

Pyke was on 6PR last night talking about the fixture but was also asked about the draft and whether we were still considering trading back into it at some point.

He conceded that clubs with picks in the top 10 weren’t likely to trade out but said we were still looking at the potential to get into the latter stages of the first round

Picks 15-23 are owned by GWS, Sydney and Richmond with the exception of pick 17 (Bulldogs). So we’d have to deal with one of those three to get something done

What might work?

Surely our F1 is off the table but the Hawthorn F1 could be

Would GWS(21), Sydney(22) or Richmond(23) take that Hawthorn F1 in a straight swap? Is that good value for us?

Or

Hawthorn F1 and 26 to GWS for 15/16 and 37

Hawthorn F2 and 26 to Sydney for 19 and 44

I think the main thing with any deal is that we end up with an extra pick in this draft and don’t trade out more picks overall than what we get back (eg: don’t trade 2 picks for 1, or 3 picks for 2)

I've been trying to guess who we would be targetting if we are waving Hawks F1 around but when I look at the picks around that mark they are mostly talls and we would have to overpay to get back in. So unless we are really keen on a Whitlock, Trainor or a Shanahan type and they're still avilable, I'm not sure who we would be targetting in that range. Cooper Hynes possibly since there was some talk we were interested in him at 12 but he could also be there at our second pick. There are a few smalls around that mark like Dattoli or Hannaford but with Champion, Walley and Evans all coming through the academy I'm not sure if thats an area we should be targetting. If we were to give up a F1 I hope it would be for someone specifically and not just to say we are taking an extra first rounder.

I think the real value lies later in the draft. I'd be much more comfortable giving up one of our F2's or F3's. considering this draft bats pretty deep.

We would also be running the risk of Hawks crashing and then we've given up a top 10 pick for a pick in the 20's.

 

[WCEConnor23]

I've been trying to guess who we would be targetting if we are waving Hawks F1 around but when I look at the picks around that mark they are mostly talls and we would have to overpay to get back in. So unless we are really keen on a Whitlock, Trainor or a Shanahan type and they're still avilable, I'm not sure who we would be targetting in that range. Cooper Hynes possibly since there was some talk we were interested in him at 12 but he could also be there at our second pick. There are a few smalls around that mark like Dattoli or Hannaford but with Champion, Walley and Evans all coming through the academy I'm not sure if thats an area we should be targetting. If we were to give up a F1 I hope it would be for someone specifically and not just to say we are taking an extra first rounder.

I think the real value lies later in the draft. I'd be much more comfortable giving up one of our F2's or F3's. considering this draft bats pretty deep.

We would also be running the risk of Hawks crashing and then we've given up a top 10 pick for a pick in the 20's.

Cooper Hynes would suit our new system to a tee.

 

[Keys]

Personally I'd rather 2 picks in the 30-40 range or a shot at Curtin next year.

Don't see a huge premium on the players in that range that drives a desperate need to target that area of the draft.

Tend to agree

I think the GWS pick at 15 or 16 is the best one to target given that someone like Hotton, Berry, Hynes or even Reid might still be there - so our our F2 and 26 to move up then getting 37 back makes sense

GWS then have 15,21,26 and our F2 instead of 15,16,21,37

We use our F2 to move up from 26 to 16 whilst getting another pick at 37 which is still in a good range

Edit : Should be Hawthorn F1 not our F2

 

[pantskyle]

Tend to agree

I think the GWS pick at 15 or 16 is the best one to target given that someone like Hotton, Berry, Hynes or even Reid might still be there - so our our F2 and 26 to move up then getting 37 back makes sense

GWS then have 15,21,26 and our F2 instead of 15,16,21,37

We use our F2 to move up from 26 to 16 whilst getting another pick at 37 which is still in a good range

12+26+Hawks F1 for 15, 16 and 21

 

[Keys]

12+26+Hawks F1 for 15, 16 and 21

Only if all of Lindsay, Allan and Travaglia are gone otherwise I’d rather keep 12

Not sure GWS do that either given they reportedly knocked back pick 3 for 15 and 16

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Pyke was on 6PR last night talking about the fixture but was also asked about the draft and whether we were still considering trading back into it at some point.

He conceded that clubs with picks in the top 10 weren’t likely to trade out but said we were still looking at the potential to get into the latter stages of the first round

Picks 15-23 are owned by GWS, Sydney and Richmond with the exception of pick 17 (Bulldogs). So we’d have to deal with one of those three to get something done

What might work?

Surely our F1 is off the table but the Hawthorn F1 could be

Would GWS(21), Sydney(22) or Richmond(23) take that Hawthorn F1 in a straight swap? Is that good value for us?

Or

Hawthorn F1 and 26 to GWS for 15/16 and 37

Hawthorn F2 and 26 to Sydney for 19 and 44

I think the main thing with any deal is that we end up with an extra pick in this draft and don’t trade out more picks overall than what we get back (eg: don’t trade 2 picks for 1, or 3 picks for 2)

Think I'd prefer the latter.

Hawks F2 and 26 for 19 44

Gives us 12 19 44 champion and a late slider or 2

And we retain 2 F1 out F2 next year.



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[maverick001]

Pyke was on 6PR last night talking about the fixture but was also asked about the draft and whether we were still considering trading back into it at some point.

He conceded that clubs with picks in the top 10 weren’t likely to trade out but said we were still looking at the potential to get into the latter stages of the first round

Picks 15-23 are owned by GWS, Sydney and Richmond with the exception of pick 17 (Bulldogs). So we’d have to deal with one of those three to get something done

What might work?

Surely our F1 is off the table but the Hawthorn F1 could be

Would GWS(21), Sydney(22) or Richmond(23) take that Hawthorn F1 in a straight swap? Is that good value for us?

Or

Hawthorn F1 and 26 to GWS for 15/16 and 37

Hawthorn F2 and 26 to Sydney for 19 and 44

I think the main thing with any deal is that we end up with an extra pick in this draft and don’t trade out more picks overall than what we get back (eg: don’t trade 2 picks for 1, or 3 picks for 2)

I’m relieved that we won’t be doing anything stupid then to get back into top 10 for Allan

 

[Yeahnahmate]

I’m probably pretty disappointed if this is what is available by our pick.

Hoping one or a couple of TT, Lindsay, Allan might still be there. If it played out like this I’d be snapping up Reid who I rate very highly.

Enjoy your channels dajesmac - but not loving the way this particular mock draft has played out in your head!

 

[KBLT]

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I’m probably pretty disappointed if this is what is available by our pick.

Hoping one or a couple of TT, Lindsay, Allan might still be there. If it played out like this I’d be snapping up Reid who I rate very highly.

Enjoy your channels dajesmac - but not loving the way this particular mock draft has played out in your head!

Oof.

JTR at that point, back ourselves in to keep him in line.

 

[WCE_Phill]

Hawks F1 needs to be off the table

Ill bet anyone it will be a top 10 pick

 

[Yeahnahmate]

Looking at champs form, did Smillie not have the best showings there?

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

12+26+Hawks F1 for 15, 16 and 21

This a bad deal for us. Not so much a bad deal, but a dumb trade.

Let's say the Hawks win the flag:

12 + F18 + 26 for 15 + 16 + 21

That's basically:

12 = 3 spots back to 15
18 = 2 spots forward to 16
26 = 5 spots forward to 21

That's a slight loss to move a pick from next year's draft to this year's draft. That's the best case scenario.

I've seen clubs inexplicitly turn on a dime. Top 4 fancies one minute to "everything that could go wrong, did go wrong, bottom 4 flunks" the next.

What if they had a bad year and came 14th?

All of a sudden it's:

F5 + 12 + 26 for 15 + 16 + 21

That's a giant shit sandwich.

Every year, people want to trade futures away because they get emotionally invested in players they can see now (know their name, see them play). Busslinger, Curtin etc. It's a case of FOMO basically. But there's going to be some other player they fall in love with next year.

If we cough up F1, the deal needs to be well in our favour. Otherwise keep it.

 

[Rowan18]

Pyke was on 6PR last night talking about the fixture but was also asked about the draft and whether we were still considering trading back into it at some point.

He conceded that clubs with picks in the top 10 weren’t likely to trade out but said we were still looking at the potential to get into the latter stages of the first round

Picks 15-23 are owned by GWS, Sydney and Richmond with the exception of pick 17 (Bulldogs). So we’d have to deal with one of those three to get something done

What might work?

Surely our F1 is off the table but the Hawthorn F1 could be

Would GWS(21), Sydney(22) or Richmond(23) take that Hawthorn F1 in a straight swap? Is that good value for us?

Or

Hawthorn F1 and 26 to GWS for 15/16 and 37

Hawthorn F2 and 26 to Sydney for 19 and 44

I think the main thing with any deal is that we end up with an extra pick in this draft and don’t trade out more picks overall than what we get back (eg: don’t trade 2 picks for 1, or 3 picks for 2)

Looking at the fixture that Hawthorn F1 is going to be a top 10 pick. If rather keep it. I'm still hopeful they end up in bottom 4 like many sudden bolters before them.

 

[Ruben Grubarb]

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Looking at champs form, did Smillie not have the best showings there?

He didn't have a great champs. He was in the mix for #1 until the champs. I have a query on a guy of that size being able to play midfield in the AFL. Can be done, but it's rare.

 

[Schtinker]

Am I not allowed my own opinion on a player?

Only if you are melting about said player, otherwise no.

 

[beagles]

If North don’t trade pick 2, would you consider trading pick 12 for North F1st?

You could then look at trading Hawks F1st for a late R1 pick, Swans or GWS

 

[TOA.]

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I’m probably pretty disappointed if this is what is available by our pick.

Hoping one or a couple of TT, Lindsay, Allan might still be there. If it played out like this I’d be snapping up Reid who I rate very highly.

Enjoy your channels dajesmac - but not loving the way this particular mock draft has played out in your head!

Yeah, the "no talls taken by our pick" scenario isnt great for us. Really need 1-2 to go.

I think there's a real chance we go tall if none go by our pick.

 

[beagles]

He didn't have a great champs. He was in the mix for #1 until the champs. I have a query on a guy of that size being able to play midfield in the AFL. Can be done, but it's rare.

On that rating you think he slides