Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[Monkey King]

Because he didn't call her the face of racism.

Read my original post. I simply did not say that he did. Give it up.

You chose to use paraphrasing and omission rather than Goodes' own words and then based your statements off those.

Yes I paraphrased Goodes as having made a face of racism comment. Nothing wrong with that. Indeed he did make a face of racism comment. What's your problem with that? I never mentioned who it related to. You claimed he didn't say it, I referenced a direct quote from an article, you referenced a transcript; and everything still says that he did indeed make a face of racism comment.

Look, this is actually pretty tedious.

No shit.

 

[randyzany]

If booing someone means that much to them. *shrugs*

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So does anyone else suspect that this PR 'stunt' is a litmus test for the grooming of one Mr Goodes to become our first labor aboriginal PM?....Because personally, that's where I see the under-currents of this one heading....Lets just say he couldn't do a worst job than most of em. And he'll finally have the platform he is so obviously being groomed for.

I might even vote for him, just to get him away from the sporting field & into a more suitable environment....Adam Goodes....Aussie PM 2020....You heard it here first folks.

Nope.

I support every one of Goodesy's actions to the hilt (as you might have guessed), but I see no evidence so far he'd be any good as a politician.

A successful politician has a very specific skills set. It is extremely hard to define, but my hunch on what I've seen so far is that he doesn't have it.

Agree that he couldn't be any worse than most of the current crop though!

No idea what he will do on retirement. Behind-the-scenes community work is my guess.

 

[DrEvil_]

A nice compromise will be for the Booers who feel their freedom of speech is been infringed upon, to boo Goodes to your hearts content every time he does something 'dirty' on the ground, which in all honesty only happens once or twice in a game and on some occasions not at all. Hard to believe but Goodes is not the biggest dirty sniper in the game; some of hawthorn's elite players (i.e. lewis, hodge, mitchell) make him look like a choirboy by comparison.

However don't boo him just 'cos he's about to get a possie or near the action, incessantly through out the game. Because this is when the bigots who are offended by Goodes stance on sensitive history and indigenous topics, cannot hide under the cover of booing Goodes for being a cheap shot merchant, etc... Keep it football related and in proportion to his footy 'misdeeds' and it should be fine, simples.

Hopefully we have a deal.

I hope Geelong supporters mercilessly boo Goodes from the moment he steps on the field.












PS. I am an egg farmer.

 

[YorshireSwan]

Goodes' "protected species" label in relation to MRP decisions in years gone by (perhaps species isn't the most appropriate word to use nowadays) has now extended to the AFL and media in general.

All of the Goodes' sympathisers go on about how he is boo'd because he speaks out and makes a stand on racism, and therefore everyone against him is racist, whether unconsciously/casual or knowingly. The thing that they don't seem to consider however, is that there is a right way AND a wrong way to speak out against racism. I, like many others, believe that Goodes' does it the WRONG way. Just because he speaks out doesn't mean he is doing the right thing.

His method of "promoting" equality/acceptance/his culture is not a positive one and does not encourage unification. Good examples of reconciliation promotion are 1) the general concept of Indigenous round, with dreamtime jumpers, celebrations of star Indigenous players, fundraising for relevant causes, etc; 2) Other Indigenous players promoting programs/causes close to them, e.g. David Wirrpanda and his foundation. These types of people/events/causes bring people together, regardless of skin colour.

Goodes, on the other hand, fueled a massive media beat up of a 13-yr old girl who made a mistake, in his position as a well-paid footballer with a vast support network. I am not so much against his actions on the field at the time, more the way he carried on after the game. It is completely understandable why this divided the public. Goodes' should use his platform to be shaming the grown adults that are caught committing racial taunts/acts every week. Where was Goodes' contribution to the outrage against the WC supporter who told him to get back to the zoo?

And the war dance... boy did he mess that up. Instead of organising a pre-game ceremony whereby he and his teammates (Indigenous or otherwise) could have performed an inspiring rendition of a cultural dance to the opposition team for the crowd to enjoy (sound familiar? Yes - the Haka), he decided to perform the most aggressive of "dances" to a small section of unsuspecting opposition supporters in the middle of the game, as a so called "celebration". I cannot believe the amount of people defending this, especially the "oh but the kiwi's do the haka all the time, no one minds that" - but someone please point out when a single kiwi player has done it during the game directly to a bunch of opposition supporters.

To top it all off - Goodes, supported by the PC brigade and do-gooders in the AFL and media, accuses everyone who disagrees with this methods as "racist". And people get upset by that - surprise surprise.

The irony of this whole debacle is that Goodes is actually doing more harm than good in promoting reconciliation. People need to stop and think "is he actually going about it the right way?". Racism needs to be stamped out, but it is a delicate process, and Adam Goodes is stalling it.

I, like many others, believe that using rhetoric to say racism needs to be stamped but only on the provision that you are not confronted in anyway by the truth is the WRONG way. Just because you speak out doesn't mean what you are saying is the right thing.

Just on a couple of your points;

(1) The general concept of Indigenous round as you outlined has not stopped football fans from making racial slurs so obviously we need much more awareness to the problem
(2) Goodes is co-founder of the GO Foundation along with Michael O'Loughlin.
(3) The 13yr old girl made a racial slur, her mistake was thinking it was ok to say.
(4) 13yr olds who make racial slurs grow into adults that continue to commit racial taunts/acts unless called out.
(5) As for the war dance, history is littered with instances where goal celebrations are conducted and directed towards opposing fans. Remember Michael O'laughlin at Subi? I would suggest his celebration was far more aggressive.

Everyone needs to stop and think "are my preconceived ideas actually going about it the right way?". As you said, racism needs to be stamped out and yes it is a delicate process, but ignorance and turning a blind eye is actually what is stalling it not Goodes raising its awareness to the mainstream.

 

[Kummerspeck]

Yes I paraphrased Goodes as having made a face of racism comment. Nothing wrong with that.

There is a lot wrong with it when you, on multiple occasions, attempt to portray it as having a meaning other than what it did and use that as a basis to make a point against someone. Especially when you've shown in the past you're even willing to attack them for expressing the same opinion you hold.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Like other people have said, the booing stemmed from racial elements, still has a dark racial undertone and is deeply upsetting for the indigenous AFL community as well as Goodes and his family. Initially I'm willing to give many a free pass for getting caught up in the tribalism. That's a lot of what footy is about. But at this point, if you join in, you're overtly racist, subtly racist, or just not very bright. The latter contingent probably constitutes the majority, but why would you even want to be associated with it at this point?

I've shouted at Goodes several times over the years because I don't like his demeanour on field. Can't say I've booed him though. I'm generally placid while in the crowd, though Goodes is one player I've found insufferable at times. He is a champion though, no doubting that.

Your statement here is part of the reason people are sick to death of this. The mainstream are trying to place everyone in a camp, racist or not racist. It's simplistic, predjudice and ignorant, people don't like being told how to think. You're saying I'm either racist or not very bright if I continue to yell at Goodes? It seems to me that you're probably in the bracket of - 'I don't understand why people would want to boo now, the mainstream has decided for us that it's racist???' Well, I call these people the simple thinking ones, the ones needing guidance and can't think for themselves. Your view is just a combination of pro racist media articles wrapped up into a 'politically correct' piece.

I have two non-Australian friends of 5+ years, one Maltese, one Indian. I'm degree educated and earn a six figure salary as a Manager in the IT industry. Sorry, but I don't seem to fit into any of your categories above. I don't follow either the left or right politically either, I can think for myself thank you.

 

[Dugdale2Dwyer]

A nice compromise will be for the Booers who feel their freedom of speech is been infringed upon, to boo Goodes to your hearts content every time he does something 'dirty' on the ground, which in all honesty only happens once or twice in a game and on some occasions not at all. Hard to believe but Goodes is not the biggest dirty sniper in the game; some of hawthorn's elite players (i.e. lewis, hodge, mitchell) make him look like a choirboy by comparison.

However don't boo him just 'cos he's about to get a possie or near the action, incessantly through out the game. Because this is when the bigots who are offended by Goodes stance on sensitive history and indigenous topics, cannot hide under the cover of booing Goodes for being a cheap shot merchant, etc... Keep it football related and in proportion to his footy 'misdeeds' and it should be fine, simples.

Hopefully we have a deal.

Aren't you worried this might start a Booer War?

 

[Sol23]

He and Jetta give the up u to us but we can't boo Goodes... **** off goodes u sooky campaigner

 

[Ian Dunross]

Have you ever even read a peer-reviewed journal article in psychology? I doubt you could understand more than five words in one.

Tony Abbott, Scott Morrison et al.

Bigots how?

 

[Dacksaredown]

He and Jetta give the up u to us but we can't boo Goodes... **** off goodes u sooky campaigner

They obviously directed their up u to the right person then.

 

[ziad]

Does anyone else find it laughable that people point the finger at Goodes behaviour and in particular about dividing the nation over how he goes about indigenous issues yet say the booing isn't racist?

most of the population work happily in highly multicultural environments and have no problem differentiating between birth and behaviour.

it isn't just diving it is sniping and prior to the law change deliberate sliding in with his knees. His is still a sniper.

 

[HoopsAhoy]

Aren't you worried this might start a Booer War?

Oh Jolly good, I see what you did there!

 

[Procrastinator35]

I hope Geelong supporters mercilessly boo Goodes from the moment he steps on the field.

PS. I am an egg farmer.

LOL....You crack me up DrEvil.

 

[Sol23]

They obviously directed their up u to the right person then.

I spose he's got what he wants, everyone talking about him. Coz he was irrelevant when he was playing shit footy

 

[Docker Alyssa]

Again, no issue with people talking about whether they think Goodes has gone about it the right way but as previously posted if some are booing him because they see him as divisive how is booing him correcting that? Things are just getting more divisive.

If the lineage of a well recognised aboriginal activist, who has reasoned and educated logic behind his every word can't speak up against Adam Goodes on TV and radio (because when asked of his opinions it doesn't fit with a public "narrative"), what exactly does the common white pleb have in terms of recourse to challenge Adam in the public sphere?? Seemed like booing him was all there is. Lest you be cast a casual racist or outright racist. Now that's been codified as offensive just to one indigenous person, because he merely feels it is racist.

What an indictment on this country that the media stifles ALL the dissent to Adam Goodes from his own culture and pretends like they are all in favour of him, what he says and is trying to do. I've not experienced that in my personal life. And thats been mirrored by other posters. Must be all racists though, all the circles we are in. Having white Australia picking and choosing who to prop up sounds absurd to me??

Traditionally, elders would be the ones to speak on their particular nation, having led their particular nation and being devoted to the traditions. I've said this before but when Goodes goes "I speak for my people, I'm proudly indigenous" that is deceiving the facts. Being indigenous is a token catch all. There were hundreds of individual "nations" pre-colonialism. All with their own traditions. Even warring with one another for land before anyone outsiders hit the shores. I would posit it's impossible that Goodes knows or understands them all and the communities left from those nations.

To try lump them all under one banner is just another version of white interventionism upon the already horrendous one we did by colonising their lands and driving them away from lands we wanted for ourselves. This whole groupings thing is stupid. It's like when people go "I'm asian". Well, no, you are a particular nationality, and if you are Chinese, most Japanese do not believe you speak for them just because you state "I'm asian, and I believe that 'blah blah blah' about my culture"

I charge everyone believing in all the opinions of indigenous peoples (not just feel-good happy ones you agree with) to read the black steam train. Guy openly admits to being told by traditional aboriginal people (who live in the communities) that he is not an aborigine/aboriginal in their criteria of what constitutes that identity.

"By their standards, I'm not, and I understand and accept that. My children wouldn't be either. Although I've never been mistaken for anything other than Aboriginal, and despite my genetic lineage, Aboriginality is as much a system of lore and living and traditions to those who know what they are talking about when they say the word 'culture', as it is about genetic lines. It is not skin colour or who you happened to be born to or from that gives you authority. It is far, far more complex than that. In their world, I have no respect or standing, and rightly so. Our worlds are completely different and to ignore that is nothing short of being disrespectful. I'm far more 'whitefella' than 'blackfella' in their eyes.

I wonder if any of them who've happened to meet Adam were of similar sentiment. I wonder if he simply ignored their honesty.

 

[Theprofessional]

Another hypothetical, Goodes is lining up for goal, and the strapping has come loose from his knee, and as he is walking in to take the shot a member of the crowd starts yelling 'tape tape tape', trying to warn Adam that the strapping is coming undone and could cause him to mis-kick, will they get ejected and shamed?

I worry about this ever night before I go to sleep.

 

[Mr Lizard]

Lol. The point is the same. Please provide an example of people who were not in support of Goodes.

Here you go: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...ade-and-accepted.1008006/page-3#post-28385252

 

[Coolangatta]

Bigots how?

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...-bigots-pm-defends-attorney-generals-comments

 

[Monkey King]

You've never heard that calling an indigenous person an ape is offensive? Wow.

Clearly not what I said. I've never actually heard anyone verbally vilify an Indigenous Australian using this term ever; and I've heard a reasonably long list of words used in this regard - including the word indigenous funnily enough. I've heard monkey, but never ape. And I've traveled Australia wide and have lived in 3 states, including the Territory.

You're right, I made it clear when I differentiated in one post. You made an incorrect assumption from a later post. You're mixing two up here.

Not at all. You asked about the probability of someone being called an ape out of all the world's animals and I responded that the probability appears pretty high among footballers. Only one of us here brought race into the equation and it was you, so don't pull your "I don't see this as 'us and them'" line on me, as though I'm the one making racial distinctions here.

 

[Donners]

Bullshit. The government, the police and the courts target Aboriginals more. Anyone who doesn't know this is ignorant or in denial because it doesn't fit their racist narrative.

Yeah, I edited my post, forgot to mention I have a major in addiction studies, Mr. Armchair Expert. Also, spoken like a person who's never studied psychology.

Oh, I thought you were purporting to be an expert on law and policing before - after all, you state that anyone who disagrees with your view is "ignorant or in denial".

Turns out you were just an...armchair expert.

 

[Mr Magic]

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/...-bigots-pm-defends-attorney-generals-comments

SBS IMO are anti-indigenous. They promote immigrants over indigenous like the Sydney siders that are focused on selling out indigenous interests for gains from sales to people from overseas

 

[Monkey King]

There is a lot wrong with it when you, on multiple occasions, attempt to portray it as having a meaning other than what it did and use that as a basis to make a point against someone. Especially when you've shown in the past you're even willing to attack them for expressing the same opinion you hold.

Mate I don't think you even know the point I was making, so don't go commenting on how I portray anything to make a point. You talk about me attacking people and so on; I just don't even get what you're on about.

 

[Mr Magic]

Oh, I thought you were purporting to be an expert on law and policing before - after all, you state that anyone who disagrees with your view is "ignorant or in denial".

Turns out you were just an...armchair expert.

When will the Swans admit they, with their stakeholders, are sensitive IMO about the indigenous topic because they care more about people from overseas buying of property and their housing prices than indigenous rights mainly in other areas of Australia foreign to their self interests and wealth redistribution transfer gains?

 

[mcgarnacle]

If booing someone means that much to them. *shrugs*

supporters feel as though they really get into the game by cheering and jeering and booing. it's been happening for ever. i watched a small portion of CAR vs NM last night and it was happening consistently for one reason or another. CAR fans would get stuck into Waite for obvious reasons, and of course fans don't like it when umps award free kicks against or don't award free kicks to their team.

the goodes booing has got nothing to do what's happening on the field at the time, or a specific recent event (think Jobe Watson @ WCE which was over within weeks), or history between player and opposition club (such as Carlton supporters with Waite).

the goodes booing is on a completely different level.