Autopsy The aftermath

[Jezzitizle]

Well the game is half through but its well and truly over.

Can't say I'm too surprised, I think even with their outs the Hawks structure is much better than ours, really you can't play only two tall defenders against the Hawks, it means Johnson can't play to his strength which is not the 1v1. Up forward Hannath is trying but he doesn't have the pace to get separation from his man, which means he is never going to be a great leading option. Pav trying his guts outs but he really is at the stage where he would need to be the second key tall just because he could be so much more damaging with some real help.

All that would be well and ok if you were winning the ball in the middle but the Hawks are full of guys who can genuinely impact running through the middle. What is really bothering me though is that Hawthorn are winning the ball in the middle and then spreading backwards and sideways, whilst we run back away from the contest to fill space. Then they spread the ball through their plethora of free players until they find somebody open enough to pick their kicks through our defense. We commit players backwards but the Hawks are just going around them.

And we are bringing our small forwards so far up the ground we are completely out numbered when we do manage to get the ball. Credit to the Hawks though who just haven't fumbled anywhere near as much as we have. I think their cleaness is why they are all over us in contested possessions.

The only shining light I'm seeing at the moment is the way Hilly has been playing, getting dirty then bursting from packs with composure. I would love for Ross to use him inside more often and move Sutcliffe into Hill's outside roll.

 

[surfsup]

Gutted. Can't continue watching anymore, have switched off.

 

[andrew99]

The problem is in the midfield.

De Boer - unreliable, goes missing

Suban - unreliable, goes missing.

Sheridan and Crozier - both no impact (to be expected to some degree).

Mzungu - reliant on inside grunt, see: (De Boer, Suban et al).

Hannath is just not very good - a young player who needs more experience and a better football brain. Is below Clarke and Griffin in the pecking order.

ETC ETC

The whole team besides Hill + Pav is having a stinker. Neale is playing decent too, if you consider his team-mates are getting thrashed.

Look at our draw from now on. We need to fix these problems fast. Essendon next week, a team we have not played well against (and Lyon has never beaten here or at St Kilda IRRC). Then Sydney, North + WC.
We need big, experienced bodies who can accumulate possessions. Sylvia better be ready by next week.

 

[Cheesewheel]

Our slow starts REALLY need to be looked at.

 

[purplerunsdeep]

Joke to watch. Exposed with midfield who relies on fyfe. It al stems from there, can't get a clearance to save us today and all we have done is chase.
There skills just tear us apart and we just aren't responsive.
Worrying signs


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[Simmofreo]

I hate to say this but it is extremely scary that Fyfe and Mundy are free agents

 

[Arcassius]

I hate to say this but it is extremely scary that Fyfe and Mundy are free agents

Everything is scary to you mate. Just relax

 

[Catsace]

It's a paradox as a Cat fan. Your side has a genuine belief about beating us. You have the commitment, the drive, the plan and the swagger and have done it more often than not in the last few seasons. Yet against Hawthorn, a side we've beaten (albeit narrowly) numerous times in that same timeframe, your side seems to lack any belief at all. The hard tackling disappears, the run and verve of the likes of Walters, Hill, Mayne and Ballantyne is simply not there. I know you're missing Barlow and Fyfe, and i guess they are two of your best mids...like say Geelong losing Selwood and say Stevie J. But having watched the QF at K.P last season and seeing this performance today...it's like chalk and cheese.

Mind you, if you forget Rd 1 2011 where the Crows beat the Hawks, the only sides in the last three seasons to top Hawthorn are Collingwood, Sydney, Geelong and rather crazily..Richmond?!?! I think the eagles beat the Hawks once in 2011 as well. The rest of the comp just has no clues about beating Hawthorn in that now extraordinary 70-odd game sequence. That's why i think it's as much belief as anything else. Bring against the Hawks what you do against Geelong, it will be a very different result.

 

[Simmofreo]

Everything is scary to you mate. Just relax

Is anyone relaxed right now

 

[BananaOnTheRun]

It's mostly psychological against the hawks. For some reason, we go to water from the outset against them, which tips us over into an escalation of calamity. Our skills follow our belief out the door and it compounds everything into meh and blah. I don't know what we're paying Brett Kirk for but dude, this is your area to shine.

 

[slicedndiced]

The problem is in the midfield.

De Boer - unreliable, goes missing

Suban - unreliable, goes missing.

Sheridan and Crozier - both no impact (to be expected to some degree).

Mzungu - reliant on inside grunt, see: (De Boer, Suban et al).

Hannath is just not very good - a young player who needs more experience and a better football brain. Is below Clarke and Griffin in the pecking order.

ETC ETC

The whole team besides Hill + Pav is having a stinker. Neale is playing decent too, if you consider his team-mates are getting thrashed.

Look at our draw from now on. We need to fix these problems fast. Essendon next week, a team we have not played well against (and Lyon has never beaten here or at St Kilda IRRC). Then Sydney, North + WC.
We need big, experienced bodies who can accumulate possessions. Sylvia better be ready by next week.

And so it begins.

 

[Borry]

Yep, we are mentally ******ed against certain opponents. Always lacked confidence against Hawthorn bar one final they didn't really care about.

 

[Righteo]

Hawthorn honestly could not have played any better tonight, they deserve all the credit for this.

 

[Simmofreo]

Have you noticed that everytime we lose the other team breaks some type of record

 

[scon]

I love to say this but it is extremely scary that Fyfe and Mundy are free agents

EFA.

Have you noticed that everytime we lose the other team breaks some type of record

Have you noticed that you sound like a broken record??

 

[Simmofreo]

EFA.

Have you noticed that you sound like a broken record??

Whatever idiot

 

[scon]

Whatever idiot

I'll take that as a no.

 

[holy diver]

Doom + gloom = eating your own.

 

[Schauermann]

It's a paradox as a Cat fan. Your side has a genuine belief about beating us. You have the commitment, the drive, the plan and the swagger and have done it more often than not in the last few seasons. Yet against Hawthorn, a side we've beaten (albeit narrowly) numerous times in that same timeframe, your side seems to lack any belief at all. The hard tackling disappears, the run and verve of the likes of Walters, Hill, Mayne and Ballantyne is simply not there. I know you're missing Barlow and Fyfe, and i guess they are two of your best mids...like say Geelong losing Selwood and say Stevie J. But having watched the QF at K.P last season and seeing this performance today...it's like chalk and cheese.

It's probably a bit like rock-paper-scissors I guess when it comes to gamestyle and matchups. Did well against Geelong in recent times but haven't beaten the Hawks for quite some time (the EF being the odd exception)..

 

[purplerunsdeep]

On the upside, we kicked the extra 2 goals we are after. Ohh just meant to have stopped the other guys kicking 21!?!


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[Quokka]

137 - 79

and it flatters us

 

[Schauermann]

We kicked more goals in the final quarter then in three before.

 

[Outshined]

It's mostly psychological against the hawks. For some reason, we go to water from the outset against them, which tips us over into an escalation of calamity. Our skills follow our belief out the door and it compounds everything into meh and blah. I don't know what we're paying Brett Kirk for but dude, this is your area to shine.

Said precisely the same thing tonight. If that was any other team I'd have been confident we could have at the very least kept it close, but Hawthorn have a serious edge over us, skills wise and mentally.

Kirky needs to take the boys on a trip to Nimbin I reckon.

 

[Maple Syrup]

If we are fortunate enough to make the GF we are a shoe in.

We found those extra 2-3 goals Ross was after.

 

[Simmofreo]

Everyone loves having a crack at me because I'm passionate and this team doing well means so much to me. Yes I may stress But I never have a go at individuals !!