The arrogance and balls of one Nathan Buckley

[MarkT2]

Can't help but get the impression that Buckley has a tendency to chase success, rather than create it.

'cept when Buckley agreed to the deal Collingwood had bowed out in the prelim for the second successive year being smashed and had 5 200 game players close to retirement or use-by and had not recruited Ball or Jolly.

You can't use hindsight and say he took a "successful" option, there was a lot of work to do at the end of 2009.

 

[rose jam]

Hmmm, a million dollars and a free holiday in the U.S. a year, or coach the kangaroos in Bendigo.......oh Nathan, you're so silly

 

[MagpieJoel]

In 2012, Buckley will take over side that can only deteriorate.

Thanks Nostradamus.

 

[mjd75]

You're forgetting this is Collingwood you are talking about, we ignore foolish and ignorant opinions - who cares what other supporters think when the have NFI what is going on at the club. Opinions are just that - opinions and uniformed ignorant opinions at that.

What foolish and ignorant opinion are you ignoring:
That is isn't ok to slap your own mum on the bum at christmas when she cooks a good turkey.

Im pretty sure my post doesn't mention anything relating to the inner sanctum of the Collingwood Football Club. More an general football opinion.

All im saying is that unlike the majority of other coaching changes this one is different as Bucks is taking over a team at the height of their current sucess and can only move downward.

And unless you work for the Collingwood football club I'd say you have as much of an idea of what is going on at Collingwood that any other football lover. The Media make sure of that.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Can't help but get the impression that Buckley has a tendency to chase success, rather than create it.

Rather than stick around build something, he left the Bears in order to "play finals footy" and I can't help but suspect his career moves thus far show a similar approach.

Rather than take ownership of a struggling team and building something from scratch, he finds himself in an almost unprecedented position of being handed a ready-to-go premiership side. The "only wanting to coach Collingwood - the club I love" thing is nothing more than a smokescreen IMO.

Call me bitter, and I am sure some will, but I don't like to see this sort of self-serving ambition get rewarded. It absolutely stinks what they are doing to Mick

What, sticking to an agreement?

 

[jonbe54]

What foolish and ignorant opinion are you ignoring:
That is isn't ok to slap your own mum on the bum at christmas when she cooks a good turkey.

Im pretty sure my post doesn't mention anything relating to the inner sanctum of the Collingwood Football Club. More an general football opinion.

All im saying is that unlike the majority of other coaching changes this one is different as Bucks is taking over a team at the height of their current sucess and can only move downward.

And unless you work for the Collingwood football club I'd say you have as much of an idea of what is going on at Collingwood that any other football lover. The Media make sure of that.

This team ISN'T at the height of its success yet and may not reach its peak for a while - you have NFI how the boys are progressing or how much of an upside they are considered to have by the staff. That's what's ignorant about it you are ignorant - as you should be - of what the true situation is regarding player development. Only the club know the extent of progression of the players so of course the rest of the football world is ignorant of this.

 

[Old Spice]

Was it Jeans that said great teams make great coaches?

Bizarre that a Cats supporter of all posters should start such a daft thread when they have played so well this year with an untried senior coach et al.

 

[KissmeRobbo]

Terrible waste of time Bucks doing an apprenticeship, should have taken the easy option like Voss did.. we've all seen how successful that was

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Funny thing about this thread, both Collingwood supporters and non-Collingwood supporters are looking forward to next year when Buckley takes over. I recognise that some Pie supporters have expressed their desire not to carry out Eddie's plan. However, the majority of Pie fans trust and support Eddie.

Of course, non-Pie supporters are looking forward to it because they think it will fail. Fair enough. I can understand your desperation.

As for calling Bucks arrogant, it's really like water off a Buck's back. Until his supposed arrogance has an effect similar to the one that resulted from King Voss's arrogance, then I will continue to support him.

As for the rest of you hoping and praying that Bucks stuffs it up next year.....well you can always hope that your team beats us....lol.... like I said, I understand your desperation..

Self-confidence can often be miscontrued as arrogance.

My wife works for ESP and knows Bucks personally. He's far from 'arrogant'.

 

[i_hate_scams]

i couldnt give a rats whether our whole playing list is arrogant, as long as they win this year and next year i couldnt care less.

 

[Underdog]

This team ISN'T at the height of its success yet and may not reach its peak for a while

EVERY team thinks they are going to improve - even premiers, what you say isn't unique.

For all you know Collingwood could suffer a terrible injury run as West Coast did in 2007. Then you might lose some players to trades. Some kids may stagnate or hit poor form. Other teams in the comp may learn to better counter you or improve more so. A team might come out with a unique tactic ala Hawthorn 2008.

 

[KissmeRobbo]

EVERY team thinks they are going to improve - even premiers, what you say isn't unique.

For all you know Collingwood could suffer a terrible injury run as West Coast did in 2007. Then you might lose some players to trades. Some kids may stagnate or hit poor form. Other teams in the comp may learn to better counter you or improve more so. A team might come out with a unique tactic ala Hawthorn 2008.

All of that is true but I'd still rather be one of the youngest premiership teams of all time than an old one

 

[jonbe54]

EVERY team thinks they are going to improve - even premiers, what you say isn't unique.

For all you know Collingwood could suffer a terrible injury run as West Coast did in 2007. Then you might lose some players to trades. Some kids may stagnate or hit poor form. Other teams in the comp may learn to better counter you or improve more so. A team might come out with a unique tactic ala Hawthorn 2008.

Of course every team thinks they are on the way up, the difference here is that most of the media agree with the summation. And as for injuries so what - injuries happen anytime, anywhere. We have had our fair share of injuries this year and to key players yet we are still improving. Time will tell

 

[TigerTime88]

Buckley should come out and say he won't coach until Mick is ready to move on and not ruin any balance Collingwood currently have. He would only have to wait a couple more years.

If the Pies go back to back this year and then Mick leaves and they miss the top 4 or something next year then it could be hilarious to watch from a non-collingwood perspective. The media will be all over Bucks with comparisons to Mick.

 

[tugga]

Self-confidence can often be miscontrued as arrogance.

My wife works for ESP and knows Bucks personally. He's far from 'arrogant'.

Probably one of the nicest people I have ever met. What he did for my terminally ill cousins (both had muscular dystophy) through no prompting from anyone, off his own back and his own time, will always be remembered.
I can handle people bagging Buckley the footballer or the coach-in-waiting, but I can't handle people bagging him as a person because he is simply 1st class.

 

[rose jam]

EVERY team thinks they are going to improve - even premiers, what you say isn't unique.

For all you know Collingwood could suffer a terrible injury run as West Coast did in 2007. Then you might lose some players to trades. Some kids may stagnate or hit poor form. Other teams in the comp may learn to better counter you or improve more so. A team might come out with a unique tactic ala Hawthorn 2008.

We've had a shocking run of injuries and still dominating. How scary for all of you ignorant fools of the glory that is Eddieland

 

[NAUGHT5]

I dont think I've heard buckley being arrogant once. If you got offered your dream job for a company you loved, would you turn it down because the guy who was cleaning the toilets before you did it really well for the last couple of years? No? I didn't think so.

If I was incredibly passionate about the organisation's success and put all organisational goals above my own personal goals, then yes, I would allow the old guy to continue.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Probably one of the nicest people I have ever met. What he did for my terminally ill cousins (both had muscular dystophy) through no prompting from anyone, off his own back and his own time, will always be remembered.
I can handle people bagging Buckley the footballer or the coach-in-waiting, but I can't handle people bagging him as a person because he is simply 1st class.

Yeah I think most people have trouble differentiating between a football player as a person, and football player as a player.

Personally I think you can generally tell who the genuinely shit blokes are in football, but then I've always been a pretty good judge of character.

Buckley never seemed 'arrogant'. If anything I always felt he may even be OCD. Far too much of a perfectionist, who then naturally expected that level from every one of his teammates. Over the years, he's had to learn and realise that not eveyone reaches their peak, and even those that do, will do it differently to him.

It's that learning of how people work that made him a great captain in the latter part of his career. Then being under Mick (who for all his faults, is still a great manager of people) will only help him furhter to what I believe will be a fantastic coach.

But seriously, the guy is a gun of a person.

 

[jonbe54]

Buckley should come out and say he won't coach until Mick is ready to move on and not ruin any balance Collingwood currently have. He would only have to wait a couple more years.

If the Pies go back to back this year and then Mick leaves and they miss the top 4 or something next year then it could be hilarious to watch from a non-collingwood perspective. The media will be all over Bucks with comparisons to Mick.

The media are constantly wrong about it anyway. As for Bucks standing down for a year or two that's his decision. It's not likely but the Pies have done it once before - what if Mick wins the next 3 flags? How do you show a 4 time premiership coach the door? Where does it end and where do you draw the line?

 

[Underdog]

We've had a shocking run of injuries and still dominating. How scary for all of you ignorant fools of the glory that is Eddieland

You've had some notable injuries but it's hardly a shocking run. You haven't exactly got to the position of having 25 fit men with injuries to all key guns.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

A lot of water to flow yet but if Collingwood win in 2011 and then Buckley coaches Collingwood to the 2012 flag it will be one of the very rare instances of a hat trick in the history of the competition.

The trolls would still continue to criticise the arrangement, on the grounds that Malthouse brought the club two flags and Buckley only one, and that he was spoon fed with an inherited list.

If we win the flag this year, Buckley will have to coach the Pies to three flags before he shuts the critics up.

We can only hope

 

[jonbe54]

You've had some notable injuries but it's hardly a shocking run. You haven't exactly got to the position of having 25 fit men with injuries to all key guns.

Agreed far from a shocking run but to increase performance with notable injuries and a number of important players down on form is impressive for any team.

 

[andypie]

If I was incredibly passionate about the organisation's success and put all organisational goals above my own personal goals, then yes, I would allow the old guy to continue.

So if Malthouse wanted the Carlton job, would Ratten step aside?

 

[Old Spice]

You've had some notable injuries but it's hardly a shocking run. You haven't exactly got to the position of having 25 fit men with injuries to all key guns.

We've only had 6 players who've played all games this year and have trialled 32 altogether.

Jolly has been called our most important player consistently, yet we won plenty with Wood. Dawes was meant to be integral to the structure, but we've functioned without him. Without Thomas and Swan, Wellingham stepped up to collect 37. Etc.

Thats not to say they aren't in the best 22, but we're pretty well set in terms of overall system, fitness, roles etc.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Personally I love the fact that Buckley, Hird & Voss are all coaching against each other. It's awesome. Football romanticism at its finest. Anzac day next year will be spine tingling