Unsolved The Beaumont Children

[Lyn]

A new crime stoppers post is out. Lucky for them, They have limited who can comment on their post

I agree, there are a lot of needless comments. However, for my purpose, there maybe information, or contact that may be useful to me.
After all it is Crime Stoppers.

 

[Lyn]

Ok, thoughts please. I have previously spoken about events? that would trigger a person to commit this type of crime. The main one is the perception of losing control.
- if this person had r*ped a female (semi related) who was already married with a baby. The woman fell pregnant from the rape. The rape was covered up (but perpetrator was disgraced by family) The woman decided to have baby, stayed with husband Being a narcist, the perp felt he had no say, no control, was ....... by family.
Put yourself in his position.
This was his trigger to abduction and murder.
Thoughts?

 

[BonzaRam]

Ok, thoughts please. I have previously spoken about events? that would trigger a person to commit this type of crime. The main one is the perception of losing control.
- if this person had r*ped a female (semi related) who was already married with a baby. The woman fell pregnant from the rape. The rape was covered up (but perpetrator was disgraced by family) The woman decided to have baby, stayed with husband Being a narcist, the perp felt he had no say, no control, was ....... by family.
Put yourself in his position.
This was his trigger to abduction and murder.
Thoughts?

That sounds more like a motive than a trigger. Triggers are events that cause emotional reactions, like a flashback to past traumas, that may inspire a negative reaction. So if this abductor had any triggers they were created long before this ever happened, more than likely in early childhood.

Most stranger abductions are sexually motivated and it is opportunity that triggers the action. Seen as this scenario has victims of varying ages and genders I am still pointing the finger at Derek Percy for this, it fits his "Profile" perfectly.

 

[gordo2016]

Nancy Beaumont died in 2019, aged 92. Probably what kept her going so long was the glimmer of hope that one day she would find out what happened to her kids. So sad that she went to her grave not knowing and the murderer didn't have one scrap of decency in them to tell someone where the bodies where. At least then they would have got some kind of closure. I hope Nancy managed to find some kind of peace before she died.

 

[utility]

Thanks Geoff. I just need a break, while this guy or maybe two guys are still alive.

Is your POI still alive?

 

[Deni]

Is this the same guy?

Maxwell Beaumont

Genealogy profile for Maxwell Beaumont

www.geni.com

I don't think the date of death is reliable though:

The Somerton Man / Jim Beaumont connection... - Cipher Mysteries

This is just a work in progress post: I’ve taken the Beaumont family data recently posted here as comments by B Deveson and Samuel Z, and converted (most of) them into a single über-diagram. Please let me know if this is wrong in any way! Related posts: Somerton Man – Broken Hill timeline The...

ciphermysteries.com

I don't think the first one is the same guy, it says on your link that Max died on the 26th of January 66'
That was the same day the children disappeared, which seems to be a bit strange..

As for the family tree, I wouldn't put paid to anything on that site, the owner of that group lets people
get abused and bullied, especially one particular person, who will no doubt be reading this. He has dozens of
Nom de-plumes, he even posted things in my name.
He is a wretched person who is always right..

So yeah, ignore 2/3s of that place, although there are some good people, they're few and far between though!!

 

[Deni]

Isn't there a guy from the Adelaide area who said his own father was involved on the BC case and in the mysterious 'Somerton Man' death? Those cases were something like 20 years apart, and the Somerton case occurred 76 years ago!

That sounds like the McIntRyers, three siblings who tell the most outlandish tales of their father being responsible for the Somerton man and the Beaumont children, among thousands of others..
Their stories change all the time, not one of them is truthful, but sadly they have conned a lot of people into believing them.
They get sent out to abuse us non believers on a regular basis.

The funniest thing though, besides them getting kicked out of here they have also been banned from the official Facebook Crime Stoppers page, how does one get banned from there, easy, they went in there en masse and told their ridiculous tales and started an online brawl, because of that whenever they put a new Beaumont page up it is blocked from anyone posting on it!!
One of them even speaks about their father planning a zombie apocalypse when she was 10!

 

[Deni]

N

Is this the same guy?

Maxwell Beaumont

Genealogy profile for Maxwell Beaumont

www.geni.com

I don't think the date of death is reliable though:

I had another look at this and it seems it could be correct, with the date of death wrong as you said.
I read his next of Kin is Beaumont Grant, well that was Jim Beaumonts first name, Grant, but
he preferred to go by Jim!

 

[Lyn]

Is your POI still alive?

Yes - in jail

 

[Lyn]

I don't think the first one is the same guy, it says on your link that Max died on the 26th of January 66'
That was the same day the children disappeared, which seems to be a bit strange..

As for the family tree, I wouldn't put paid to anything on that site, the owner of that group lets people
get abused and bullied, especially one particular person, who will no doubt be reading this. He has dozens of
Nom de-plumes, he even posted things in my name.
He is a wretched person who is always right..

So yeah, ignore 2/3s of that place, although there are some good people, they're few and far between though!!

Would you like to name names, or message me direct?

 

[johnymac1]

Does anyone here believe that the Beaumont kids are still alive? If "yes", say why.

What about the Pied Piper TV alleged appearance of Jane Beaumont a year after the disappearance? Even Nancy Beaumont saw her on-screen and thought it was Jane!

presumed dead, last seen on Colley terrace Glenelg. Everything is unknown after that!

 

[johnymac1]

I have always said Harry Phipps was not the culprit, even if some people can make money through publishing books that say he's the man.

Phipps was high-profile in the Adelaide/Glenelg area at the time, so an abduction in broad daylight with plenty of witnesses on a crowded day at the beach was far too risky for him.

And besides that, it seems he has been investigated a million times over this case. If he was involved, that clearly points to a cover-up by the cops because Phipps never got accused or charged by them. But even so, I still think Phipps was not involved.

Isn't there a guy from the Adelaide area who said his own father was involved on the BC case and in the mysterious 'Somerton Man' death? Those cases were something like 20 years apart, and the Somerton case occurred 76 years ago!

We haven't heard the last of the Phipps theory. there is a second book coming in march.
Ive not ever read the first one yet!

I don't see a book deal coming for that conspiracy theorist you speak of.

 

[Lyn]

I believe the children probably died the day they went missing or at least within 24 hours. In those days it was feasible to change the identity of someone, but the case has always had such a high profile that surely as adults, at least one of them would have suspected they weren't who they were. Child abductions end badly in 99% of cases.

Given the ages of the two girls, I don't think it they would forget who they were, unless they were completely brainwashed,

 

[Lyn]

We haven't heard the last of the Phipps theory. there is a second book coming in march.
Ive not ever read the first one yet!

I don't see a book deal coming for that conspiracy theorist you speak of.

Even though I don't think it was Phipps, but I am going to read it.
I know one is ex police, but I wonder how they can access all this information, when the general public can't.
I might be able to write a book on my POI, if I could get more information. LOL

 

[Lyn]

Do you mean the person at the CM forum?
If so it's John Sanders, I can say his name because it's a public forum and he's always putting s*** on me, he's a right old fruit (cake)
He thinks the children are still alive and living in country S.A.
Iv'e spoken at length with the man he is saying is Grant and he is definately not Grant Beaumont, for a start little Grant had brown eyes and the one that John is saying is Grant has blue eyes

Thanks Deni. I don't think I have come across him yet.

 

[Kurve]

Please don't name private individuals who have not been mentioned in the press as linked to the Beaumont's disappearance.

Thanks.

 

[Lyn]

That sounds more like a motive than a trigger. Triggers are events that cause emotional reactions, like a flashback to past traumas, that may inspire a negative reaction. So if this abductor had any triggers they were created long before this ever happened, more than likely in early childhood.

Most stranger abductions are sexually motivated and it is opportunity that triggers the action. Seen as this scenario has victims of varying ages and genders I am still pointing the finger at Derek Percy for this, it fits his "Profile" perfectly

I am sure members understand what I mean when I said trigger - mere semantics. I will try to explain a few things for you though.

In this case - the trigger (event) is the immanent arrival of an unwanted baby. The emotional reaction is - I'm losing control, I've been shunned by family. A trigger calls a person to action. Additionally, a trigger can impair judgment and some people may lack insight about their reactions. In this case the action (in their mind) is to gain control over other children, show he's above others and teach them a lesson - even though others may not be aware it's him.

Motives for criminal activity might include revenge, the thrill of committing a crime, a mental illness, or an addiction.
There are three dominant motives for abductions recorded by police: sexual desire (35%), robbery (29%) and retribution (24%). In this case, I think we can agree that robbery was not a motive.

As I have said previously, I think the abduction of the Beaumont Children was premeditated. They were groomed prior to their abduction. I believe that mental illness ( well that's a given), the thrill of committing a crime, sexual desire and misplaced retribution
were motives in this case.

Yes, this scenario has victims of varying ages and genders. I know Percy is back in the limelight, a second book written about him. I think he is a person who has been fixated on. I really don't think he abducted the Beaumont Children.
I am not aware of Derek Percy molesting children as young as four. He may have. However, I know 100% my POI has molested children between the ages of 2 to 18 years old. I know 100 % that he does not discriminate between genders. I have been told by a profiler, he has a 'slipper fit' identity. Right age, height and frequented the area. Through personal experience, I know he could manipulate three children with great ease.

Now that we finally have him in jail for 18 years, I will continue to collate evidence ect. to have him investigated for both the disappearance of the Beaumont children and the girls from Adelaide Oval - Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon.

 

[BonzaRam]

I am sure members understand what I mean when I said trigger - mere semantics. I will try to explain a few things for you though.

In this case - the trigger (event) is the immanent arrival of an unwanted baby. The emotional reaction is - I'm losing control, I've been shunned by family. A trigger calls a person to action. Additionally, a trigger can impair judgment and some people may lack insight about their reactions. In this case the action (in their mind) is to gain control over other children, show he's above others and teach them a lesson - even though others may not be aware it's him.

Motives for criminal activity might include revenge, the thrill of committing a crime, a mental illness, or an addiction.
There are three dominant motives for abductions recorded by police: sexual desire (35%), robbery (29%) and retribution (24%). In this case, I think we can agree that robbery was not a motive.

As I have said previously, I think the abduction of the Beaumont Children was premeditated. They were groomed prior to their abduction. I believe that mental illness ( well that's a given), the thrill of committing a crime, sexual desire and misplaced retribution
were motives in this case.

Yes, this scenario has victims of varying ages and genders. I know Percy is back in the limelight, a second book written about him. I think he is a person who has been fixated on. I really don't think he abducted the Beaumont Children.
I am not aware of Derek Percy molesting children as young as four. He may have. However, I know 100% my POI has molested children between the ages of 2 to 18 years old. I know 100 % that he does not discriminate between genders. I have been told by a profiler, he has a 'slipper fit' identity. Right age, height and frequented the area. Through personal experience, I know he could manipulate three children with great ease.

Now that we finally have him in jail for 18 years, I will continue to collate evidence ect. to have him investigated for both the disappearance of the Beaumont children and the girls from Adelaide Oval - Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon.

After the second inquest Percy was recommended to the DPP for the murder of Simon Brook, aged 3, that is the youngest I know of linked to Percy. What books about him are you referring to as I haven't read any of them but maybe I should.
Having been a victims of pedophiles, both male and female, I do know how they work... I also know some victims can get caught up in trying to blame their abusers for any crime that can be attached to the abuser, one must be wary of that.

I agree the abduction was premeditated, how far in advance is disputable.

I have looked into West after you mentioned him and yes he is a possible contender for the Beaumont abduction, based on what little info we have about him (I find the lack of info odd also). Maybe you are right and it is him but without more concrete proof it is all just speculation. I wish you the best in your research because this case needs to be solved and I will do what ever can to help but for now I, personally, am still pointing finger at Percy.

Oh and for those interested I did find a Percy family living in Glenelg in 1966 via the 1966 electoral roll. I still have not been able to find a family connection though as no obituaries mention Derek, not his even mothers...

 

[DropBearess]

I am sure members understand what I mean when I said trigger - mere semantics. I will try to explain a few things for you though.

In this case - the trigger (event) is the immanent arrival of an unwanted baby. The emotional reaction is - I'm losing control, I've been shunned by family. A trigger calls a person to action. Additionally, a trigger can impair judgment and some people may lack insight about their reactions. In this case the action (in their mind) is to gain control over other children, show he's above others and teach them a lesson - even though others may not be aware it's him.

Motives for criminal activity might include revenge, the thrill of committing a crime, a mental illness, or an addiction.
There are three dominant motives for abductions recorded by police: sexual desire (35%), robbery (29%) and retribution (24%). In this case, I think we can agree that robbery was not a motive.

As I have said previously, I think the abduction of the Beaumont Children was premeditated. They were groomed prior to their abduction. I believe that mental illness ( well that's a given), the thrill of committing a crime, sexual desire and misplaced retribution
were motives in this case.

Yes, this scenario has victims of varying ages and genders. I know Percy is back in the limelight, a second book written about him. I think he is a person who has been fixated on. I really don't think he abducted the Beaumont Children.
I am not aware of Derek Percy molesting children as young as four. He may have. However, I know 100% my POI has molested children between the ages of 2 to 18 years old. I know 100 % that he does not discriminate between genders. I have been told by a profiler, he has a 'slipper fit' identity. Right age, height and frequented the area. Through personal experience, I know he could manipulate three children with great ease.

Now that we finally have him in jail for 18 years, I will continue to collate evidence ect. to have him investigated for both the disappearance of the Beaumont children and the girls from Adelaide Oval - Joanne Ratcliffe and Kirste Gordon.

Derek Percy was a strong suspect in the sexual mutilation and murder of three year old Simon Brook in 1968. Simon bears an eerie resemblance to Grant Beaumont. Percy admitted to being in the area at the time and said he "could have" killed Simon. The case has never been solved. Percy molested and killed children of any age and gender.

 

[Lyn]

Derek Percy was a strong suspect in the sexual mutilation and murder of three year old Simon Brook in 1968. Simon bears an eerie resemblance to Grant Beaumont. Percy admitted to being in the area at the time and said he "could have" killed Simon. The case has never been solved. Percy molested and killed children of any age and gender.

Thankyou, I wasn't wasn't aware of this, or that he had killed anyone.

 

[Lyn]

After the second inquest Percy was recommended to the DPP for the murder of Simon Brook, aged 3, that is the youngest I know of linked to Percy. What books about him are you referring to as I haven't read any of them but maybe I should.
Having been a victims of pedophiles, both male and female, I do know how they work... I also know some victims can get caught up in trying to blame their abusers for any crime that can be attached to the abuser, one must be wary of that.

I agree the abduction was premeditated, how far in advance is disputable.

I have looked into West after you mentioned him and yes he is a possible contender for the Beaumont abduction, based on what little info we have about him (I find the lack of info odd also). Maybe you are right and it is him but without more concrete proof it is all just speculation. I wish you the best in your research because this case needs to be solved and I will do what ever can to help but for now I, personally, am still pointing finger at Percy.

Oh and for those interested I did find a Percy family living in Glenelg in 1966 via the 1966 electoral roll. I still have not been able to find a family connection though as no obituaries mention Derek, not his even mothers...

I must apologise, I had the wrong person. There are no books written about Percy.
He also sounds like a person of very low character.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Does anyone here believe that the Beaumont kids are still alive? If "yes", say why.

What about the Pied Piper TV alleged appearance of Jane Beaumont a year after the disappearance? Even Nancy Beaumont saw her on-screen and thought it was Jane!

Unfortunately there is no chance they’re alive, or ever were for any length of time post abduction. For that to be the case it implies a change of identity for them. Jane was nine years old, far too old for that.

 

[EyeMedia]

IMHO, Harry Phipps was not involved. He was investigated multiple times, including after allegations by one of his own sons, yet still no evidence was found.

It seems Bevan Spencer Von Einem can also be ruled out unless he was involved as part of a wider gang. He wanted teenage boys and young men, not young kids, if I am not mistaken. That rules out his interest in girls (Jane and Arnna), and Grant Beaumont would be too young for his tastes.

Tony Munro also wanted teenage boys and would have no interest in the Beaumont girls or a male as young as Grant Beaumont.

Whoever was seen at the beach with the Beaumont kids was not old - maybe 20s, or late 30s at most. That rules out a perp like Arthur Stanley Brown.

It's a fascinating case, but I don't think anyone has a clear idea or any really good leads.

 

[Deni]

Does anyone remember years ago a suitcase was found in a dump and inside it were news cuttings of the Beaumont crime, they had been scribbled over, I can't remember what they actually said but it was along the lines of "the children arn't there" "they were taken to...."
I'm kicking myself that I can't remember, I had all the information on my external hard drive which has crashed, sadly with thousands of important files I need.
But the suitcase was given to the police who tracked down it's owner, it was said to have been written by a senile old lady who passed away and they figured the suitcase was just rubbish..
I wonder if that was thoroughly investigated or just put in the too hard basket?

 

[Lyn]

Please don't name private individuals who have not been mentioned in the press as linked to the Beaumont's disappearance.

Thanks.

Just clarifying. If a person has been mentioned in the press, but not specifically associated with the Beaumont children, their names can't be mentioned?