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Unsolved The Beaumont Children
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Control groups and a lotttttttttttttttt of post-processing
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The Beaumont family tree had been updated since Jim's passing, so that the father's line is no longer private.
The Beaumont family tree had been updated since Jim's passing, so that the father's line is no longer private.
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what's the best book if someone was willing to stumble into the rabbit hole that is the Beaumonts? I borrowed Unmasking The Killer by Hayes/Mullins but I think I've seen a bunch of people say that one is barking up an iffy tree.
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Wouldn’t waste money on it! No way Phipps was responsible.
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yes, this is why I've shelved reading it (no money spent, I'm a pauper library person) until I can hear some more balanced or recommendable books. Are there any that present the multiple cases?
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I reckon you're in the rabbit hole, not many better places, if any, to find multiple angles than this very forum.
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I'm one of the great chosen ones who has been blocked by the authors of the Phipps literature from commenting on anything they do. They will do this the moment anyone challenges their theories in all available media. Their ideas are nonsensical. It's sad to see how many people have swallowed this hook, line and sinker and believe the case is now solved.
Me too blocked from their FB page. I haven't read either book.
I even ran the sons statements past a US Statement analysist. He was sceptical about how Hayden portrayed his father.
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Haydn made this up I suspect as he didn’t get much from Harry’s estate when he passed away only my opinion. Satin man authors have been sucked in big time.
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I believe what happened with Haydn is that he likely constructed a false memory over time. Initially, he expressed uncertainty with statements like, "I always thought ... was involved," suggesting speculation rather than certainty. However, as time passed, his account evolved into a more detailed narrative, shifting to claims like "this happened, that happened." This gradual elaboration is a hallmark of false memory formation, where the brain fills in gaps with imagined details, often influenced by emotion, external suggestions, or repeated reflection
Human memory is highly malleable and susceptible to suggestion. If Haydn discussed his suspicions with others or was exposed to new information, it could have reinforced and reshaped his initial beliefs into a seemingly concrete memory. Emotional factors, such as the bitterness of being cut out of the estate, might have further influenced his perceptions and made the reconstructed memory feel real to him
It seems that some very overly enthusiastic individuals latched onto his story, and took off down the roller-coaster with it. The authors have been so desperately relentless in pushing this narrative, likely in an effort to sell a story and establish a name for themselves. Their validation may have further reinforced Haydn’s belief in his version of events, even if it lacked factual basis
Human memory is highly malleable and susceptible to suggestion. If Haydn discussed his suspicions with others or was exposed to new information, it could have reinforced and reshaped his initial beliefs into a seemingly concrete memory. Emotional factors, such as the bitterness of being cut out of the estate, might have further influenced his perceptions and made the reconstructed memory feel real to him
It seems that some very overly enthusiastic individuals latched onto his story, and took off down the roller-coaster with it. The authors have been so desperately relentless in pushing this narrative, likely in an effort to sell a story and establish a name for themselves. Their validation may have further reinforced Haydn’s belief in his version of events, even if it lacked factual basis
Its all about the Victims. The survivors of abuse, stop and ask themselves. Could my attacker have abducted the BC?
With the BC offender, He's likely to offended in other ways. Mainly with assaults on family and friends.
It's important for victims to come forward and tell their story. So police can consider them as a POI.
I am suggesting Radan and West could be possible POI's for the BC, both are known and convicted offenders!
With the likes of Phipps and the McIntyres, there are other motivations in throwing their fathers under the bus.
If Munroe had a history of targeting girls, then I would possibly consider him a POI. For me he's not of interest!
With the BC offender, He's likely to offended in other ways. Mainly with assaults on family and friends.
It's important for victims to come forward and tell their story. So police can consider them as a POI.
I am suggesting Radan and West could be possible POI's for the BC, both are known and convicted offenders!
With the likes of Phipps and the McIntyres, there are other motivations in throwing their fathers under the bus.
If Munroe had a history of targeting girls, then I would possibly consider him a POI. For me he's not of interest!
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Who said Jane was the target grant could have been we don’t know for sure.
Girls may be perceived as easier to manipulate emotionally due to traditional gender role expectations, paedophiles sometimes use stereotypical "caretaker" behaviour to groom them... in the relevant context, the witnesses describe the suspect as having helped Jane to get dressed; so we could label that as a grooming behaviour potentially...
It's just speculation.. like these were 3 prepubescent kids, so maybe it was Grant, maybe it was the girls, maybe it was all 3.. it's not invalid to suggest that all 3 may have been intended targets, alot paedophiles do not strongly differentiate by gender, focusing instead on the child’s age, appearance, or perceived vulnerability ect
It's just speculation.. like these were 3 prepubescent kids, so maybe it was Grant, maybe it was the girls, maybe it was all 3.. it's not invalid to suggest that all 3 may have been intended targets, alot paedophiles do not strongly differentiate by gender, focusing instead on the child’s age, appearance, or perceived vulnerability ect
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Agreed.
I'm of the belief that in the case of the AO abduction, whoever committed it was a regular at games, knew the movements of children of other regulars and when presented with an opportunity to take a child that fitted some criteria, took it.
He wasn't interested in the older JR, only the younger KG who was with the group for the first time.
He was so fixated on taking a particular child that having another child there and fighting with him didnt put him off.
I always try to put myself in the suspects shoes; sometimes it helps reveal the hidden dynamics of their decision-making. If the primary target is a very young child, the presence of another child, while it might seem like a risk from the outside, it all actuality is not much of a deterrence. An adult is probably going to just assume that an 11 year old girl won't pose any real threat and that any resistance would be short-lived, especially if they're in a position to quickly overpower or distract both children. In their mind, the bigger challenge is probably how to simply get close enough to act without drawing attention
Have you contacted the Glenelg Sailing Club?
Sorry for delayed reply. You are right of course. As the saying goes. If it doesn't make sense, then it's not true
Exactly what I do. Of course, I have my own suspect and I know first hand how he would think and act. I can walk in his shoes and visualise each of his moves. In the Beaumont case, I think loss of control in his personal life, which lead to being humiliated by family; something he would get very angry about.
I really believe this was the catalyst to the abduction and murder of three innocent children - he had control!
My investigations have proved that the dates align.
I just need to get my police report in the correct sequence of events and evidence in place and give it my best shot. Then see if SAPOL will at least question my Poi, before he dies.
I see that some Beaumont files have been released through freedom of information. I don't know how much they would cost. There may be information from witnesses that may not seem relevant to the police, but may relate to my poi.
Has anyone read them? Or have copies?
Has anyone read them? Or have copies?
The South Australia Police (SAPOL) Freedom of Information (FOI) process can be used to access information related to the Beaumont children's case:
- Upload a verified copy of the card to the online application
- Alternatively, present the card and PD360 form at a police station
- Pay any additional costs, such as for finding, sorting, and copying documents
- Lodge the application at a police station or online
- The application will be processed within 30 days
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