Unsolved The Beaumont Children
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In this clip from the NFSA, channel Nine reports on the Bakery sighting
Police seem to dismiss it at the time
some Ch 9 show from 2014
Police seem to dismiss it at the time
some Ch 9 show from 2014
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It's really good to see these old clips. I wonder if the bakery lady is still alive. My poi also thought nothing of splashing pound notes. I recall $100 in 1973. Now that was a lot of money. It's all about being the good guy and control
What was Percy's physical features at the time? Any photos around?
So, the talk is, that he was in Adelaide with his family, for a sailing regatta.
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I've researched this case for over 50 years, using all information l could get my hands on. I lived near Glenelg and am very familiar with the area; the demographics, the terrain, the beaches and the vast areas of vacant land at the time.
I have extensively picked apart all the known possible suspects and l still come up with the same name. I think Derek Percy, only 17 at the time, abducted and killed the children. I have multiple reasons why l believe this. Percy has never denied he committed this crime and in 1969, was responsible for the most heinous child murder ever known in Australia. I think the Phipps story is bollocks.
It's excellent to see this case still being actively discussed here!
I have extensively picked apart all the known possible suspects and l still come up with the same name. I think Derek Percy, only 17 at the time, abducted and killed the children. I have multiple reasons why l believe this. Percy has never denied he committed this crime and in 1969, was responsible for the most heinous child murder ever known in Australia. I think the Phipps story is bollocks.
It's excellent to see this case still being actively discussed here!
Percy was certainly one sick individual. I would like to know - Was he actively involved with the sailing? Was there a window of opportunity, first day to groom, then to abduct, kill and dispose of three bodies on another day? At 17 would he have had a pound note to bribe the children?
I have done a lot of research. I don not think Phipps is the person who committed this crime. However, I found this book provided a lot of peripheral information about the case.
I think it was quite recent. I have just sent an email enquiry. I will give an update, if I receive a reply
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He was 17 when the BC disappeared, that photo is his mugshot from the Yvonne Tuohy Murder in 1969.
His criminal behavior was first noticed in 1964 by police, that includes sexual assaults on his neighbors children in his own backyard. He had no fear...
Him and his father were avid competitive sailors and traveled to sailing events.
The sailing events were over by the 8th Jan, The test cricket, of which he was an avid fan, ran until the 1st Feb so yeah over 21 available days in which to plan, groom and commit...
Well 1 pound today would be worth $16 so the real question is how much spending money would his parents give him for a 3 week holiday?
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I also feel Percy is likely responsible, but I'm not sure the bodies never being found matches Percy as the killer? His brazen/impulsive/psychotic behaviour doesn't seem to correlate with such a scenario.
I'm curious, what's your take on Percy being the killer but no bodies being found? How did he do it?
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I don't think anyone who has read 'Lambs to the Slaughter' could possibly eliminate Percy as the killer of the children. He was horrendously dangerous and more than capable of absolutely ANYTHING. Many years ago l read an excerpt of his "writings" which detailed his desire to abduct and kill several children at once. I won't go into it.
An inquest into the 1968 murder of Linda Stillwell found Percy was almost certainly the culprit, despite her body never being found. She disappeared from a very public place with seemingly nowhere to conceal a body, but Percy managed it somehow. Abductions of more than one child at a time are exceptionally rare, but it was proven in the Touhy case. He was also a suspect for Wanda, so must be considered for the Beaumonts. As far as I know, there have been no other unsolved cases in Australia of more than one child missing/killed at the same time after Percy was taken out of circulation, other than the Adelaide Oval abductions in 1973.
We also know Percy's parents were complicit in covering up his earlier crimes, such as the caravan incident. He also stole, accumulated and slashed women's clothing at 15. He had an obsession with urine and faeces. It seems impossible for his parents not to have known any of this, living in a small house with him. We even need to consider that his father may possibly have been an accessory of sorts after the fact.... ("what the hell have you done now Derek!!). Percy was never found to be insane, but it's hard to believe his incredibly bizarre behaviour and fixations came from absolutely nowhere.
There were huge tracts of undeveloped lands and sandhills around Glenelg and West Beach in 1966. As kids, we had forts and cubbyholes at West Beach where we would hide things which were never discovered. Needless to say, all our parents put a stop to that in 1966.
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It's highly unlikely it was Percy for several reasons.
While I have significant doubts about Harry Phipps, he's far more likely than Percy with his connection to the area, his reputation of handing out pound notes and getting two teenagers to dig a hole on his factory grounds that he didn't let them fill in just days after the children went missing. Not to mention he's been accused of sexually assaulting at least two children, one of which is his son. I know they excavated his factory in 2018 and only found animals bones but by some accounts, they didn't go down deep enough as Phipps had a layer of soil added on top not long after the children went missing. There also the story of an investigator allegedly seeing a purse very similar to Jane's in Phipps basement and being rushed out by Phipps wife when pointed out.
However, if I had to pick, the culprits are Anthony Munro/Max McIntyre with the children buried in the sinkhole on McIntyres property in Stansbury. Whether you consider Andrew McIntyre reliable or not is debatable but he was telling the truth about Munro, and you have the death bed confession video of Max admitting he knew what happened to the children. Not to mention the sinkhole being allegedly filled in days after the children went missing.
- Percy was seventeen at the time. The man seen with the children was estimated to be in his mid-30s to early 40s. I know there were varying descriptions regarding things like hair colour of the suspect but the age estimations has been consistent.
- The children had likely met their abductor on a previous trip to the beach based on how comfortable they were with the man they were last seen with despite the fact that Jane was known to be shy around adults. You also have the comments from the younger siblings to the parents about a "boyfriend" of Janes.
- Percy's MO doesn't match this case. With most of Percys crimes, he would stalk, then violently abduct his victims which were random and opportunistic. Whoever took the Beaumonts had met them previously, was patient and likely had experience in grooming children (i.e. slowly gaining trust over at least two seperate occasions, probably stole their money so they had to rely on him for lunch and getting home).
- Percy didn't have the means to abduct, murder and dispose of three children. You're not abducting and murdering three children without some means of transport and having some knowledge of the area. Percy didn't have a car and I'm not sure he could even drive at that stage of his life. If he was in Adelaide at the time, he would've been with his family and they'd probably would've recalled if something was off at the time considering they were pretty open about his issues as a teenager.
- The 1 pound note. 1 pound in 1966 would be worth between 30-35 AUD in today's currency, not 16 AUD. I could be wrong but I highly doubt Percy was handing out pound notes at 17. I don't think there would be many people doing that in 1966.
While I have significant doubts about Harry Phipps, he's far more likely than Percy with his connection to the area, his reputation of handing out pound notes and getting two teenagers to dig a hole on his factory grounds that he didn't let them fill in just days after the children went missing. Not to mention he's been accused of sexually assaulting at least two children, one of which is his son. I know they excavated his factory in 2018 and only found animals bones but by some accounts, they didn't go down deep enough as Phipps had a layer of soil added on top not long after the children went missing. There also the story of an investigator allegedly seeing a purse very similar to Jane's in Phipps basement and being rushed out by Phipps wife when pointed out.
However, if I had to pick, the culprits are Anthony Munro/Max McIntyre with the children buried in the sinkhole on McIntyres property in Stansbury. Whether you consider Andrew McIntyre reliable or not is debatable but he was telling the truth about Munro, and you have the death bed confession video of Max admitting he knew what happened to the children. Not to mention the sinkhole being allegedly filled in days after the children went missing.
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Has anyone ever investigated this sinkhole?
Both their last names beginning with "Mc" - definitely another conspiracy related to this.
there is a video of AM pointing to a spot in a track.
from the vision, there doesn't seem like any change in soil colour or any subsidence in the ground.
his only motivation for that bit of track to be dug up, is to be disruptive to his stepbrother who still lives there.
I seriously doubt there is a sinkhole where AM is suggesting.
I you watch all of his videos, he goes on and on about max kidnapping another three children and placing them in the sinkhole. Making it a total of 6 kids in the sinkhole. He also claims the children were in another location before been taken to Stansbury. AM also claims he was incinerating body parts at the Maclin street address, all very farfetched claims.
Not that I’m aware of but I think there’s been a petition circulated for SAPOL to investigate.
No doubt the claims sound farfetched but not out of the realm of possibilities considering the state of things in South Australia at the time, particularly with children in state care going missing (Mullighan Inquiry).
The death bed video of Max McIntyre admitting he knew a lot about the Beaumonts and Andrew McIntyre being truthful about Anthony Munro makes the Stansbury lead worth investigating. Especially considering they don’t exactly have a whole bunch of leads to go off.
Honestly, if anyone out there can track down a retiring cadaver dog - anywhere on the planet - let me know. I’ll buy it & head on out to the Stansbury sinkhole, and finally put this saga to bed.
The likelihood of a cadaver dog missing even a single body in a well or sinkhole -essentially a scent chimney -extremely low. The chances of it failing to detect three, or as some suggested, six or more bodies - probably unheard of.
The likelihood of a cadaver dog missing even a single body in a well or sinkhole -essentially a scent chimney -extremely low. The chances of it failing to detect three, or as some suggested, six or more bodies - probably unheard of.
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MM appeared to relish the attention he was receiving in that video. He mentioned knowing a lot about the Beaumonts, among other things, and followed it up by saying he would explain everything. Did he?
After all, he's the one accused of killing them, right? So he was going to confess or?
Whether he relished it or not is irrelevant. And I don't know whether he followed up or confessed, you'd have to track down and ask the person who was filming him. I doubt he would've confessed considering he denied killing them. Why make the video? Could have experienced a fleeting feeling of remorse and wanted to clear his conscience before getting cold feet, for all we know.
I'm far from confident that it was MM/Munro but it is the best lead they have based on public information.There's about as much evidence for Munro and McIntyre as there was for Phipps, and SAPOL dug up Phipps' factory twice. To the best of my knowledge, SAPOL hasn't even visited the Stansbury property let alone excavated it. What's the harm in taking a cadaver dog there at least, as you brought up?
I am curious as to who you think it may have been. You've previously said that you believe Percy is a strong suspect yet there's far less evidence for his involvement than MM/Munro.
I've spoken to the person who was filming it..
The current land owners of the Stansbury site; (as best my knowledge) are uncooperative. This means that police must obtain a search warrant and there's zero evidence to suggest any crime has occurred so NIL chance of getting one granted by a judge.
I wasn't aware there was any evidence to suggest AM or MM was involved? Can you share the details of this?
My thoughts are that i'm uncertain about the motive behind the Beaumont abduction. In cases like the Adelaide Oval and the Mackay sisters, the motives seem relatively clear - both were cases of snatch & grab abductions. However, the modus operandi (MO) of the Beaumont suspect contrasts sharply with that of the Adelaide Oval case
Derek Percy fits many of the characteristics associated with the Beaumont abduction, and he is also strongly linked to the Wanda Beach murders a year earlier, in 1965. Given that he was only 16 when he committed those murders -killing two 15-year-old girls -it seems likely that he could have abducted three younger, pre-pubescent children a year later
Abductions involving multiple children in a single event are extremely rare. Here are a few notable cases:
- Katherine and Sheila Lyon: Two sisters, aged 10 and 12, disappeared from a shopping centre on March 25, 1975, in Wheaton, Maryland, USA
- The Sodder children: In 1945, five siblings; Maurice, Martha, Louis, Jennie, and Betty - vanished during a house fire in Fayetteville, West Virginia. Despite the fire destroying their home, no remains were found, leading to suspicions of kidnapping. The family believed the fire was staged to cover an abduction, though the case remains unsolved
- The McStay family: In February 2010, the McStay family, including two young children, Gianni (4) and Joseph Jr. (3), disappeared from their home in Fallbrook, California. Their remains were found in the Mojave Desert in 2013. Charles "Chase" Merritt, a business associate of Joseph McStay, was convicted of their murders in 2019
- The Groene family: In May 2005, Joseph Edward Duncan III murdered three members of the Groene family in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, and abducted siblings Shasta (8) and Dylan (9). Duncan held the children captive for weeks before being apprehended. Tragically, Dylan was killed during captivity, but Shasta was rescued
Given the rarity of such abductions and the unique nature of the Beaumont case, I find it difficult to discern the motive. The suspect in this case is truly exceptional and deviates from typical patterns
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