The best individual award a footballer can win

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Very good point from the OP I think. Most players would value that recognition over all others.

Also, while not an official award, being a premiership captain is probably close to as high an honour as a footballer can achieve.
 
Agree with OP completely. To be adjudged the best player of a premiership winning team (that you played in) would be the highest honour.

Have there been any players that won the B&F and not play in the premiership?
 

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flyinghi64 said:
I would go with Norm Smith, except for those rare Buckley, Ablett occasions.
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The buckely situation was a joke though and the award was changed because the panelists knew they got it wrong and Voss' last quarter pwnage was superior. I n regards to this thread, I definately agree with the OP because it has the biggest effect on their season's rewards.
 
Scotland said:
I agree with Chewy.

I'm also a fan of the coaches award. It's the job of the two coaches involved in each game to watch who influences the game so if anyone is going to know what's really going on in a given game it should be them.
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Yeah, agree. I think it is any award that Chris Judd hasn't won is theone we should value the most...as I don't believe in tall poppies and we all know that Judd doesn't deserve to have

1) been a premiership winning captain
2) won numerous best and fairests
3) won brownlow medals
4) won afl pa awards..

he did all of this whilst being an average player. no doubt about it I can name 50 players that were better than him in each year. The Brownlow has lost all relevance as Chris Judd has won it.

if we can find an award that Judd hasn't won then that is the one that we must value the most.
 
harmesy 37 said:
Yeah, agree. I think it is any award that Chris Judd hasn't won is theone we should value the most...as I don't believe in tall poppies and we all know that Judd doesn't deserve to have

1) been a premiership winning captain
2) won numerous best and fairests
3) won brownlow medals
4) won afl pa awards..

he did all of this whilst being an average player. no doubt about it I can name 50 players that were better than him in each year. The Brownlow has lost all relevance as Chris Judd has won it.

if we can find an award that Judd hasn't won then that is the one that we must value the most.
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Oh boy

Chewy said:
2006 - Chris Judd
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My thread was the same as this one in as much as my point was that the person who wins this unique double should be celebrated as having achieved the most of any player that year, and that currently this person is not given due recognition.

Have just reread my OP and cant see how any of this is different to what is being discussed here.

"If you asked any player what thier ultimate goals would be for the season and they would undoubtedly say they want to win the flag, but secondly to do the best they can for thier team which would mean winning the club B&F.

The player that has achieved this at the end of each season, and there is only ever 1, has achieved all that could have been asked of him, excpet maybe best player in a GF,and there is already an award for that.

I would imagine there wouldnt have been too many ordinary players recieve this accolade, and it really combines team and individual success within that team.

I'm sure some will say its unnecessary, but really how many of us would know who holds the record for this prestigous honour, and it should be a prestigous honour, or who from our own clubs would have won this award.

Could be presented at the club B&F by an AFL official to the winner.

Would be good to have an official record and recognition to what is effectively the "most effective player" in the comp award."


How could you possibly say this thread isnt a complete ripoff of my thread.

I would agree in hinsight that the bolded part was unnecessary.
 
If I were the to receive an award I'd be looking for respect from my peers over respect from umpires, media etc.

The problem, the limitation with the award is that there aren't many players that sit there and watch every team every week. Even within their own team they'd know who was most important to the team setup but they'd hardly be taking notes out there on the field to put together an unbiased, objective look at things while they're trying to get a kick.

So each award has its limitations. The MVPs seem to be full of guys that have performed well for more than just one season. The Brownlow doesn't reward crapness - you still have to have an almighty season to win one - but if you don't back it up the next year people don't think you deserve it.
 

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My first was "surely Norm Smith" but then I rememebered Paul Dear won one. Not to take away from his effort and his game that day but he was hardly a player you'd think should be in the company of the names on the B&F list let alone the premiership year B&Fs. I guess he is an exeption though as generally the the Norm Smith's have been very good to great players.

AFLPA, Coach's award and B&F in a premiership year lists all read like a who's who.
 
Let me put this into perspective i watched the forums last year and when Juddy won the brownlow the geneal comment was oh the brownlow means nothing the MVP is the award that means the most. Now Judd has won the MVP this year everyone is saying the MVP is nothing. So it looks like everything that Judd wins the award turns to nothing. So many jelous people out there can't admit that Judd is the best and deserves all his awards.
Now they say the Norm Smith makes you the best player of the season. How can one game make you the best player of the season. But wait remember Judd has won a Norm Smith so does that make the Norm Smith mean nothing as well????
 
Military_man said:
Let me put this into perspective i watched the forums last year and when Juddy won the brownlow the geneal comment was oh the brownlow means nothing the MVP is the award that means the most. Now Judd has won the MVP this year everyone is saying the MVP is nothing. So it looks like everything that Judd wins the award turns to nothing. So many jelous people out there can't admit that Judd is the best and deserves all his awards.
Now they say the Norm Smith makes you the best player of the season. How can one game make you the best player of the season. But wait remember Judd has won a Norm Smith so does that make the Norm Smith mean nothing as well????
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Really? Who said that?
 
Military_man said:
Now they say the Norm Smith makes you the best player of the season. How can one game make you the best player of the season. But wait remember Judd has won a Norm Smith so does that make the Norm Smith mean nothing as well????
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Apparently you have to win the Norm Smith in a winning team for it to count :D.

:heart: Bigfooty, no just kidding you're unbelievable sometimes.
 
Leather Poisoning said:
Really? Who said that?
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read around the forums. All of a sudden its the norm smith that makes you the best player not the season you just played. So lets see if say Geelong win the grand final and Hawkins kicks 5 goals and gets awarded the Norm Smith does that make him the best player this year????
 
harmesy 37 said:
Yeah, agree. I think it is any award that Chris Judd hasn't won is theone we should value the most...as I don't believe in tall poppies and we all know that Judd doesn't deserve to have

1) been a premiership winning captain
2) won numerous best and fairests
3) won brownlow medals
4) won afl pa awards..

he did all of this whilst being an average player. no doubt about it I can name 50 players that were better than him in each year. The Brownlow has lost all relevance as Chris Judd has won it.

if we can find an award that Judd hasn't won then that is the one that we must value the most.
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the thing that makes people laugh so hard is that prior to Judd doing a Scully and walking to the blues, you and the other muppets who post similar posts would never have been so self righteous. Bottom line is that no unbiased football watcher would say Judd was the AFL's best player last year. Not saying he isnt a jet, just saying he should not have been crowned the AFL's best player last year. So that, plus (in no particular order)

Shane Wowoedin
James Bartel (Ablett was clearly better that year)
Tony Liberatore
Adam Cooney (again, great player but not the best player that year)
Gavin Wanganeen (williams was absolutely robbed)
Brad Hardie

and many others... make this medal a complete joke.

Players that should have won it and didnt. Off hand.

Gary Ablett senior
Leigh Matthews
Wayne Carey
Dane Swan
Tim Watson

and many others!
Award is a joke!!!
 
Mark25Jackson said:
the thing that makes people laugh so hard is that prior to Judd doing a Scully and walking to the blues, you and the other muppets who post similar posts would never have been so self righteous. Bottom line is that no unbiased football watcher would say Judd was the AFL's best player last year. Not saying he isnt a jet, just saying he should not have been crowned the AFL's best player last year. So that, plus (in no particular order)

Shane Wowoedin
James Bartel (Ablett was clearly better that year)
Tony Liberatore
Adam Cooney (again, great player but not the best player that year)
Gavin Wanganeen (williams was absolutely robbed)
Brad Hardie

and many others... make this medal a complete joke.

Players that should have won it and didnt. Off hand.

Gary Ablett senior
Leigh Matthews
Wayne Carey
Dane Swan
Tim Watson

and many others!
Award is a joke!!!
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Didn't Swan come 3rd the year everyone thought he would swin the brownlow. can't see how that makes him a player that should have won when 2 people finished ahead of him.
 
Mark25Jackson said:
the thing that makes people laugh so hard is that prior to Judd doing a Scully and walking to the blues, you and the other muppets who post similar posts would never have been so self righteous. Bottom line is that no unbiased football watcher would say Judd was the AFL's best player last year. Not saying he isnt a jet, just saying he should not have been crowned the AFL's best player last year. So that, plus (in no particular order)

S!!
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This is where you are wrong - I bought the West Coast Eagles DVD 2006 set just because it had Judd in it and I purchased it in 2006 before he even envisaged coming to Carlton. I watched many Eagles matches because Judd was in the team.



I basically became a de-facto Eagles supporter at that time because Judd was in that team. Of course, Carlton was still number one, but I watched the Eagles and a lot of their matches because the guy is a frigging amazing footballer.
I guess it is the same reason that people watched Gary Ablett Snr, Greg Williams, Jason Akermanis, Dermott Brereton etc. Friggin amazing footballers deserve spectator attention.



In fact, I would watch with interest any team that Judd played for as the guy is a freak footballer. Even if he played for Collingwood or Essendon I wouldn't care- I would still take an interest in his career.
 
Norm Smith is also flawed. Every award is beside the best and fairest. Judd should never have won the Norm Smith in 05 you just don't win from a losing side unless you are by far the best player(I'm talking a massive margin)

Clearly there was a Judd factor about it. If there wasn't than Ablett would have won in 08.

When you think about it despite the fact Judd is an absolute champion and a modern great he shouldn't have won a norm smith and only captained a team to the premiership because of the previous captains mistakes. Also should have been ineligible last year for the brownlow don't even worry about the fact he got bullshit votes.
 

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