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The Big 4 If It Were Decided Today
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No-one jumps on or off quicker than a richmond supporter.
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It's largely irrelevant but the big 4 is the big 4. It doesn't change every few years depending on on-field success, it is a concept pretty well built into AFL tradition. See if it changes in 30-40 years then come speak to me.
- Aug 23, 2011
- 19,105
- 62,069
- AFL Club
- Richmond
- Other Teams
- Grand Finals at the Gabba
If that's the case Richmond must be huge. Top 4 for attendences and high membership numbers despite having very few bandwagoners for 30 years.
If that's the case Richmond must be huge. Top 4 for attendences and high membership numbers despite having very few bandwagoners for 30 years.
I`d say mid table Baz.
slimdusty4
Club Legend
It's not a contest...
There's a big four (which really means sweet FA).
And their not in it.... Close thread?
There's a big four (which really means sweet FA).
And their not in it.... Close thread?
smasha
It's Time!
Dermie came from Frankston and Matthews from Bonbeach,both St. Kilda zones you woulda thought.
smasha
It's Time!
Essendon supporters of last year to this year?
Noone can bag Richmond supporters after the 30 years we've had especially a Veruca Salt fan.
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St. Kilda's zone was Ballarat. Hawthorn had the Morington Pensu. (where Dermie & Matthews came from) & out to Warrigul, Wonthaggi & Morwell (where they got the Abletts). Population wise, it was the biggest zone out of any club.
Just to add a bit of perspective to this debate:
Geelong v Hawthorn QF 2011 73,400
Carlton v Essendon EF 2011 90,161
Geelong v Hawthorn QF 2011 73,400
Carlton v Essendon EF 2011 90,161
I enjoy being confident in my club and am fine knowing we swap in and out of top spot with Collingwood.
I hope Perth never get an MCG sized stadium. If they did West Coast would embarass us all.
I hope Perth never get an MCG sized stadium. If they did West Coast would embarass us all.
slimdusty4
Club Legend
quick to persecute a man for a convenient argument, and then throw one out there yourself.Of course the weather for the Geelong/Hawthorn was swimming right (8 degrees and sheeted rain)
Why not look at the highest drawing Grand Final/s of say the last 25 years
why not look at the highest drawing grand finals of say..... ever?
slimdusty4
Club Legend
only because they are in a 2 club town, where they were the first team...
credit where credit is due though, that organization has been run perfectly on and off the field since day dot, successful on field, and off fild, are the purest example in the afl of how to run a business
quick to persecute a man for a convenient argument, and then throw one out there yourself.
why not look at the highest drawing grand finals of say..... ever?
We'll you've completely missed the point of my post then
I hardly think a like for like comparison for the 1st week of the finals was a fair comparison considering the weather, particularly when the Hawthorn/Geelong final drew 5,000 less than the Easter Monday fixture earlier in the season.
Rack Watts
Here's MASON
When I think club size, I think of (in order):
1. Collingwood
2. Essendon
3. Carlton
4. West Coast
5. Hawthorn
6. Richmond
7. Adelaide
8. Geelong
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9. Sydney
10. St.Kilda
I think if the AFL could pick the ladder for short term financial purposes it would look like that.
I think Carlton and Essendon are equal 2nd, if Richmond started winning they could be part of the big 2.
Essendon have rivalries with the 5 other biggest clubs, which is financially huge for them.
1. Collingwood
2. Essendon
3. Carlton
4. West Coast
5. Hawthorn
6. Richmond
7. Adelaide
8. Geelong
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9. Sydney
10. St.Kilda
I think if the AFL could pick the ladder for short term financial purposes it would look like that.
I think Carlton and Essendon are equal 2nd, if Richmond started winning they could be part of the big 2.
Essendon have rivalries with the 5 other biggest clubs, which is financially huge for them.
It was also wet on the Sunday of the Carlton/Essendon game, coming off consecutive days of rain & the forecast for the day was quite gloomy.
The Easter Monday clash you referred to therefore still only drew 78k, in a game between 2 of the more successful clubs of recent years.
Surely your not saying the weather for that Elimination Final was the same as Friday Night?
78,000 is a pretty decent roll out, in fact it was the 2nd largest home and away attendance not including Collingwood for the season
78,000 is a pretty decent roll out, in fact it was the 2nd largest home and away attendance not including Collingwood for the season
Groupie_
time to return the traditional Richmond yellow
Richmond and Essendon drew 83,000 this year to the Dreamtime game..
Richmond was out of the 8.. Imagine if both clubs were top 4.. This match would draw 90,000+.
Richmond was out of the 8.. Imagine if both clubs were top 4.. This match would draw 90,000+.
- Oct 2, 2008
- 8,999
- 18,965
- AFL Club
- Richmond
- Other Teams
- Brothers of Destruction
Yep and later in the season, when both teams copped a severe hit in form, 55k.
If there is a SNIFF of success between Richmond & Coll,Carl, Ess...it usually draws well over 80k.
But I still maintain that the Big 4 term is dead.
I would tend to agree with you the AFL would look upon it like that, however they manufacture a fixture to keep it like that which means the figures are not exactly comparable.
But anyway you look at it the big 4 is relevant to Victorians and Victorians only. The rest of Australia know who the big clubs really are and they have been mentioned above many times.
Let me ask you this, do you think Collingwood and Essendon would or could possibly have at least 700k supporters in Victoria?
Maybe they do? But there is one club in the league who does have that and maybe many more than that.
- May 28, 2008
- 16,902
- 4,882
Does it take success to be proud of your club taz?
Believe it or not, success or not success people are still proud of their club and "puff their chests out" because they love their club.
total crowds for the H&A season;
2011
Collingwood 1,269k
Essendon 1.093k
Carlton 1,090k
next Richmond 895k
2010
Collingwood 1,306k
Carlton 1,046k
Essendon 1,009k
next Geelong 983k
2009
Collingwood 1,189k
Carlton 1,099k
Essendon 1,089k
next Hawthorn 892k
2008
Collingwood 1,247k
Carlton 1,070k
Essendon 1,044k
next - Richmond 935k
Sort of kills any arguments as to who the big drawing clubs are.
2011
Collingwood 1,269k
Essendon 1.093k
Carlton 1,090k
next Richmond 895k
2010
Collingwood 1,306k
Carlton 1,046k
Essendon 1,009k
next Geelong 983k
2009
Collingwood 1,189k
Carlton 1,099k
Essendon 1,089k
next Hawthorn 892k
2008
Collingwood 1,247k
Carlton 1,070k
Essendon 1,044k
next - Richmond 935k
Sort of kills any arguments as to who the big drawing clubs are.
- Dec 12, 2008
- 5,547
- 8,215
- AFL Club
- Carlton
- Other Teams
- Arsenal
Oh the irony, the irony of it all!He hates Hawthorn for some reason. He trolls us non stop. I think it's cute
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