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Roast The Brownlow has no credibility left
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They’re a critical part of the drama, for better or (mostly) worse.
Wouldn’t be in the top ten.
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I think the AFL have lucked out with the way the Brownlow is decided, in that they have complete control over the adjudicators so they can lock everything down nice and tight which means they have an excellent product to sell to the betting companies.
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Cripps did finish 2nd in the AFL MVP (as voted by the players) and also he finished 2nd in the AFL Coaches award (as voted by the coaches) so he was always going to be in contention to win the Brownlow medal - he did have a good season. I just think 45 votes is a bit high but it is what it is. Cripps is a deserving winner, in my opinion.
The AFL is a corrupt, incompetent, parochial idiotic pantomime of a league run by B grade idiots at the AFL. MCC, Victorian Government and Ch 7. Once you realise and accept this, you really don't get that upset by it.
Whilst 45 votes is silly - this years Brownlow played out like most other Brownlows.
Standout midfielder in middling team dominates teams voting and wins.
It is how Crawford won it, Woewodin, Fyfe, Neale (maybe better than middling), Cooney, Mitchel, Danger, Priddis, Cotchin, Judd.
Stand out player in a middling team is the formula to win.
Standout midfielder in middling team dominates teams voting and wins.
It is how Crawford won it, Woewodin, Fyfe, Neale (maybe better than middling), Cooney, Mitchel, Danger, Priddis, Cotchin, Judd.
Stand out player in a middling team is the formula to win.
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I don't think Cripps was the best midfielder this year, plus the amount of votes he got was ridiculous, but man that take is worse then Cripps polling 40+ votes
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To be fair to op, this thread was started last year.
Now doubt Cripps had a stellar season same as daicos not 45 votes worthy even nick over polled.
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It’s probably why the coaches votes works best, you can get anywhere from 1-10 votes and there’s no guarantees anyone gets more than 5.
Statistics mean **** all in terms of determining who the best players are though.
Side bar... Why does the CEO count the votes?
Egotistical nonsense.
Egotistical nonsense.
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Its been decades. This isnt new.
A huge number of people now follow it because of the ridiculousness, not because it means anything.
McRae also made a mockery of the Coach votes this year too. And the AA panel has always been stacked with flogs.
There really arent any meaningful awards other than Premiership medals.
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I don't know why you'd think I was in any way trying to be fair to the OP!
(I'm well aware it was started last year, because it was in my watched thread list still from then.
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Bont
Daicos
Warner
Neale
Heeney
Horne-Francis
Reid
Holmes
Serong
I'd pick all of them before Cripps.
And given how inherently bias the competition is, I'm not sure about them either
AAs, afl mvp and coaches votes are all meaningful awards. They arent perfect.
The brownlow, however, is just dumb. Take the top 25 players for that year and then randomly pick one would be just as good as the brownlow.
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That said, J Cameron did a great job getting that many votes. But without knowing, my bet is his big vote games were when he played far higher and got possessions than when he played deep and kicked goals.
With all due respect, this logic just perplexes me.
The Brownlow means absolutely zero in terms of who the best player is.
It is literally the opinion of umpires. And not even each umpire - it is a consensus of 4 umpires.
And we don't even know what their criteria is.
It is literally no different to you and your mates driving home from the game and coming up with a 3-2-1 yourselves.
Whether Cripps got 45 votes or 450 does not change anything in terms of how good his season was. All it literally means is that for some reason, some umpires thought he played well in a bunch of games.
It means nothing more than that.
It's just so bizarre to me how people view the Brownlow.
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From memory Fyfe won his second Brownlow in 2019 and the team he played for (Freo) finished 13th on the ladder.
Brownlow is an exercise in centralized recognition.
Centralized both from the playing position and also the centralizing of recognition on a team.
Totally agree.
I would argue that B&Fs are relevant also as they at least indicate that you are 'playing well' based on what it is that your club is asking you to do, rather than a bunch of media flogs sitting around a table looking at stats to determine who are the best players.
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But then the AFL MVP is an opinion award, the AFL Coaches award is also an opinion award. The Brownlow is an opinion award too. They are all "opinion awards" The All Australian is the same....at the end of the day all of these awards come down to "opinions" decided by people (players, umpires, coaches, All Australian selectors) who have been tasked with choosing the best players.
That's just how it is.
