The Death Penalty for Chan

[CLUBMEDhurst]

I am happy enough for countries to make their own laws. It is up to everyone to learn to not be stupid and follow these laws.

Such a pissweak, mealy-mouthed position to take. Stand by you're principles on the issue and not trot out the "it's agin the law" line as your fall back position. You are lacking in courage

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

If it stops at the trafficking point theres less drugs available to addicts so if you put a hard stance on the traffickers they will soon smarten up not to get involved in trafficking knowing the consequences

Bollox. Supply and demand suggests there'd be plenty lining up for the gig

 

[Messenger]

and they're not buying lollipops. You're point being?

And if they are addicts, they are not exercising the rational decision making processes non-addicts would use to make the choice to purchase. Free market economics tends to deny that some people are less than rational about how they allocate their resources,

 

[The Passenger]

If it stops at the trafficking point theres less drugs available to addicts so if you put a hard stance on the traffickers they will soon smarten up not to get involved in trafficking knowing the consequences

To be honest, the amount of heroin this stopped from getting into australia was minimal at best. 8.3kg = 8300g = 830,000 hits, would probably supply an entire city the size of Sydney a week, maybe a bit more, remembering that heroin addicts aren't just weekend warriors who take one hit and are done till next Saturday - they are generally the 3-4 hits a day type users.

And as soon as those guys were caught in Bali another shipment would have been organised within hours anyway.

A bit off topic, but I've never really understood about using people to carry drugs. Would seem so much easier to stick them on a cargo ship, where you can fit significantly more gear, and if it gets busted you can sever ties to the ship and/or go on the run. Bit hard to do that when caught red handed with it on you. I guess the advantages of going through airports is shorter delivery time, and once through to the other side you are pretty much green lighted to start distributing. Cargo ships occasionally get detected then go under surveillance and it's hard to know if that has happened to your ship.

More on topic and no I don't support the death penalty in any case. As hard as it is not to get emotions involved in some cases, it's just not the right thing to do.

 

[pokerspiv]

They are being punished accordingly to the crime they committed. Why would you have sympathy?

So are all those women who got stoned to death for adultery in the middle east.

I mean those sluts in Saudi Arabia knew the law. Do the crime, do the time, am I right chief? Why would you have any sympathy?

Because it's a terrible law, created and administered by barbarians, that punishes something that should not be a crime. That's why.

And the fact that a: The boy's father and b: The Australian Federal police had a hand in these kids deaths is something that should cause them terrible shame for the rest of their lives.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Such a pissweak, mealy-mouthed position to take. Stand by you're principles on the issue and not trot out the "it's agin the law" line as your fall back position. You are lacking in courage

My principles are pretty damn simple. You do the crime you do the time. It really is that simple. Don't start drug rings in Asia unless you want the death penalty.

 

[Taylor]

My principles are pretty damn simple. You do the crime you do the time. It really is that simple. Don't start drug rings in Asia unless you want the death penalty.

Or have opinions in the middle east.

 

[Gough]

My principles are pretty damn simple. You do the crime you do the time. It really is that simple. Don't start drug rings in Asia unless you want the death penalty.

Or commit adultery, blaspheme or be a **** in ME countries. Are you cool with those executions too? They did break the law after all.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Or have opinions in the middle east.

Nothing to do with Asia. Some practices aren't great in the middle East. You don't have to live or travel to those regions. Most rational people wouldn't do drugs in Asia.

 

[Taylor]

Nothing to do with Asia. Some practices aren't great in the middle East. You don't have to live or travel to those regions. Most rational people wouldn't do drugs in Asia.

What are your thoughts on immigration?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Or commit adultery, blaspheme or be a **** in ME countries. Are you cool with those executions too? They did break the law after all.

Adultry to a point, although I have said the law needs to be weakened to reflect 21st Century values. The other two I don't agree with, but you don't have to live or travel there. Simple.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

What are your thoughts on immigration?

No issue with it so long as people are screened thoroughly.

 

[Gough]

Adultry to a point, although I have said the law needs to be weakened to reflect 21st Century values. The other two I don't agree with, but you don't have to live or travel there. Simple.

The only simple thing that comes to mind when reading that post is the poster himself.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

The only simple thing that comes to mind when reading that post is the poster himself.

I could say the same- you are the one that wants these two spares JUST because they happen to be Australian. I note you were very quiet when the others were executed. These two made a complete mockery of the laws in Indonesia purely to make a quick buck, there is absolutely no doubt on this point. Just because we don't have the death penalty (and I am not for or against this being re-introduced) doesn't mean others don't. You respect the laws, you don't be a criminal, you go about your normal life. Easy.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

And if they are addicts, they are not exercising the rational decision making processes non-addicts would use to make the choice to purchase. Free market economics tends to deny that some people are less than rational about how they allocate their resources,

Fair point

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

My principles are pretty damn simple. You do the crime you do the time. It really is that simple. Don't start drug rings in Asia unless you want the death penalty.

Very simple. Basically you hide behind the "it's against the law" defence, which abrogates you taking a personal stance. You are a coward.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Very simple. Basically you hide behind the "it's against the law" defence, which abrogates you taking a personal stance. You are a coward.

Maybe because I don't feel much sympathy for criminals that want to cheat the system and earn millions of dollars illegally. That is all this is. You want to support them, go for it. My view is you do the wrong thing, you pay for it, and don't come whinging to your home country if you commit an offence overseas when you CLEARLY knew the laws and regulations there.

The only people I feel sympathy for in this situation is the families. They have to deal with the fact that their sons did a rather stupid thing and got caught and I feel for their loss. However I don't feel much for the two on death row.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

wimp

 

[Gough]

I could say the same- you are the one that wants these two spares JUST because they happen to be Australian. I note you were very quiet when the others were executed. These two made a complete mockery of the laws in Indonesia purely to make a quick buck, there is absolutely no doubt on this point. Just because we don't have the death penalty (and I am not for or against this being re-introduced) doesn't mean others don't. You respect the laws, you don't be a criminal, you go about your normal life. Easy.

No I want these two spared the death sentence because it's a barbaric crime, no better than what Daesh did to that Jordanian pilot or the Jordanian government murdering that attempted suicide bomber as a tit for tat measure. I oppose all executions.
No person or government has the right to take the life of another.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

If it wasn't for this racist campaigner, we wouldn't be having this discussion

 

[CountryRace]

to be fair but

the darkies should never think they are as good as white men

the reefer makes them think they are

 

[little graham]

Because it's a terrible law, created and administered by barbarians, that punishes something that should not be a crime. That's why.

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Ms Dhu was locked up for unpaid fines and died in August 2014 while in the custody of the South Hedland Police.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-...-urgent-inquest-into-death-in-custody/6068036

The family of an Aboriginal woman who died last year in police custody in Western Australia are demanding an urgent inquest into the 22-year-old's death.

Shouldn't we clean up our own backyard before criticizing others?

 

[CountryRace]

you'd think so wouldnt ya

 

[Taylor]

Is going to prison for unpaid fines the problem or was it something else that caused her death?

 

[ANGEL DARK]

How much harder do you want to get?

The "War on drugs" has failed to stop drugs because it still doesn't address the root issue.

The easier and cheaper it is to get drugs, the less crime there is.

Yes great theory that one. So lets make drugs easier and cheaper to get so that we can create more addicts and in turn increase the chances of more people dying from drug use