The delisting of Menzel shows what a bad state our game is in

[RedVest4]

I for one find it rather sad that a player with as much talent as Menzel has gets delisted.

Let’s face it, he is one of the most exciting players with the ball in hand in the competition and was delisted because he doesn’t do what is required of modern day medium to small forwards - tackling and applying pressure.

The Richmond team is a good example of this - a group of forwards who excel at tackling and applying pressure that don’t have a lot of talent.

10-20 years ago Menzel would be an absolute star but these days, there’s no room for talent, just really fit players who can run and chase all day.

 

[mike123]

Fasolo not getting game last season is another example.

 

[Chubberson]

With no knee recos I'm sure it would be a different story but still, 27 goals in 14 games is a good return by anyones standard. Did he piss someone off?

I rate him, surely Gold Coast or Brisbane or someone has a need of 2 goals a game, Carlton? Bugger me.

 

[Ok Boomer]

2+ goals a game forwards shouldn't be getting delisted.

His whole career notwithstanding the fact that he actually got back from all those knees has been a travesty considering the talent he had and still has.

 

[mike123]

I reckon the interchange cap doesn’t help. If you got rid of the cap and extended the bench teams would be able to carry more of these types.

 

[Swarhily]

Is it a state of the game problem or a Geelong list management problem? I find it bizarre that Geelong of all teams would delist a 40 goal a year forward considering their forward stocks.

 

[Chubberson]

I find it bizarre that Geelong of all teams would delist a 40 goal a year forward considering their forward stocks.

Couldn't agree more. I hope someone throws the guy a line.

 

[Antares]

Is it a state of the game problem or a Geelong list management problem? I find it bizarre that Geelong of all teams would delist a 40 goal a year forward considering their forward stocks.

This.

Geelong's forward line was terrible last year, and it's about to get even worse. Hawkins is now their only good forward, and he will be 31 next year.

 

[Kwality]

I for one find it rather sad that a player with as much talent as Menzel has gets delisted.

Let’s face it, he is one of the most exciting players with the ball in hand in the competition and was delisted because he doesn’t do what is required of modern day medium to small forwards - tackling and applying pressure.

The Richmond team is a good example of this - a group of forwards who excel at tackling and applying pressure that don’t have a lot of talent.

10-20 years ago Menzel would be an absolute star but these days, there’s no room for talent, just really fit players who can run and chase all day.

doesnt do or will not do what is required, no matter, its a team game, imagine following the game plan when one of the blokes on your side cant/wont/doesnt.

Cats

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

Should’ve taken the one year deal being offered.

No one was giving 2+ based on his injury history, has only got himself to blame there

 

[Chubberson]

doesnt do or will not do what is required, no matter, its a team game, imagine following the game plan when one of the blokes on your side cant/wont/doesnt.

Cats

Very statistically oriented list management call. Be interesting to see how the Cats travel next season. In particular thier fairly impotent fwd line.

 

[Plugger35]

Geelong should be ashamed of themselves for throwing him on the scrapheap, its not like he was the only one way runner there with no defensive game.

 

[kickazz]

I noticed a drop off in his overhead contested marking, and I think that is a bigger factor than defensive deficiencies.

But I totally agree with the sentiment of this thread. The game has too much running and not enough football.

 

[blitzer]

Its one of those decisions where everyone will either be praising Geelong at the end of next year or condemning them.

Its a shame for Menzel personally though. I honestly think without all the knee problems he would have been better than Stevie J but it just wasn't to be.

 

[hamohawk1]

He applied 0 offensive pressure. True reflection of the game shows these days you have to work both ways.

 

[maskmcgee]

I for one find it rather sad that a player with as much talent as Menzel has gets delisted.

But only one week ago

Kudos to Geelong for finally taking a stand and not allowing players and player managers dictate their fate.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

I think the Dogs might give him a chance.

 

[La Dispute]

So we're supposed to feel bad for the guy because he can't put on defensive pressure? That's a massive cop out IMO, and goes to show you can't just be a two-goal a game forward if you're allowing easy entries out of the 50.

It sucks he's lost some of his pace, but like slow outside midfielders or ruckman who can't take marks around the ground, if you can't produce what's expected of you you're not going to last.

 

[Baird]

How does a guy who averages over 2 goals per game get delisted? That would be a first.

 

[WCEbrody]

Let’s face it, he is one of the most exciting players with the ball in hand in the competition

He was.

Sucks what happened to him as he seems like a great guy, but the knee injuries have made him a very one dimensional player these days.

I don't see him being delisted as some great tragedy, personally. Could be in the minority with that though.

 

[Coach_Required]

Lazy Geelong player too scared to tackle and chase gets delisted

 

[Jaeger]

His delisting is probably more about his body than lack of defensive pressure.

 

[projectv]

He'd be a good depth player at the Saints.

Hope we take a look.

 

[LoungeLizard]

How does a guy who averages over 2 goals per game get delisted? That would be a first.

Peter Daicos

 

[quotemokc]

Thing is, assuming he will accept it, a team has to commit to him and his body for an entire year which is a risk in and of itself.

If the mid-season trade/draft etc happens would this also become a mid season delisting period?