The future of the 2 Beau's?

[lickmerocks]

None of the above red are considered a consistant elite kick CLA in my assesment, they are good kicks but they are no better than BM in any case. Personally I reckon you need to make your own opinion known based on what you have actually seen.

You seriously come off as someone who has never even see Beau Muston play let alone train.

TWITA your post is rubbish dude.

It was an honest opinion and you cant handle some honesty by calling someone a w***er over a forum.....

Lest call things honeslty on here even if some of the pleyers read the forum.

Well played CLA and thanks for some much needed honesty.

 

[Lord Mud of Glenferrie]

Put BM on the half back flank and he will justify the faith the coaches have had. He is a natural footballer who in Jack Dyer terms "gets where the he ball is". He may not have the silkiest kicking action but neither does Judd. Even the best kick can only be judged after he gets the pill and this is where I have no doubt BM excels. He may be a lit old fashioned but he knows the game. I think 2010 will be his breakout year.

Jack Dyer would say "He don't get where the ball ain't"

Agreed - have seen him do things that only those with the "football brain" do. You can't teach that stuff. Hoping Muston has a big year, and off the HBF, or on the wing is probably a perfect spot for him.

Prior to his 3rd knee operation,this is exactly what he was doing.

I agree that his best position is where Trent Berger and Mithrander say.His role should be the same as Birchall's was in 07 and 08,kicking the ball long into the forward 50 and the occasional goal outside the 50.

At the moment he is all legs and gets himself into a tangle.He needs a dozen consecutive games under his belt to shake off the cobwebs from lack of football over the last four years.And the further he gets away from his operations the better he will be.

It is normally takes two or three seasons to fully overcome the effect of knee surgery

I doubt if Hawthorn are going to walk away from their investment at the end of this season.

And just on Birchall.Clarko, you are being conned by opposition coaches in allowing them to drag Birchall to the fullback line.He is an attacking half back not a last line defender.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Agree with Lord Mud, too often we see Birchall standing a marking forward. Birchall has no overhead game, and he needs to be used as an attacking outlet. He can't do this while minding players like Josh Hill.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

None of the above red are considered a consistant elite kick CLA in my assesment, they are good kicks but they are no better than BM in any case. Personally I reckon you need to make your own opinion known based on what you have actually seen.

First of all, my assessment is based on what I have seen at training in person, at games in person and on the TV. Yours obviously isn't.

Secondly, what are you going on about?

I identified 4 players as elite, you then highlighted 14, of which only two were ones I identified as elite and said none of these were elite???? 12 of the blokes you highlighted were ones I didn't suggest were elite. How incapable are you????

Probably time to take the emotive-rose-tinted glasses off, let others have their own opinions, leave the personal attacks to the trolls and grow up a bit.

 

[Easy Slips Catch]

.....It is normally takes two or three seasons to fully overcome the effect of knee surgery

I doubt if Hawthorn are going to walk away from their investment at the end of this season.......

Based on his junior reputation I agree we will not walk away quickly. Going by other reports AC needs to say to Musto you have 11 games to show what you have got and play him regardless. Could probably give the same speech to Dowler.

This could be Clarko's greatest test. My biggest complaint with Schwab was that he never gave the young guys a decent chance.

 

[medusala]

Completely understand the bit about getting the bit between your ears right, however not sure on kicking.

Blokes can kick or can't.

Bucks had a high ball drop when at Brisbane. Improved dramatically at the Pies.

Alot of kids used to turn up with no ability to kick on their wrong foot at all but nearly all (Dear family an exception) became at least serviceable. Having said that I still shudder at a certain ex player under no pressure kicking it in to the construction site on the wing at the MCG.

Coaching can also make a difference ie there obviously was a time when Croad was told simply to run hard and straight then bang it long. Simple but effective with a kick (and first 5 yards) like his.

 

[PottSie2]

Have been excited to see what the Beau's can produce, but for 2 different reasons, this excitement is dwindling.

BD just doesn't seem to be getting the opportunities he needs to really show what he can do. I think BD should rotate with Roughead and Buddy in the forward line (i.e. when Roughy goes to pinchhit in the ruck, which he will this year, and when Buddy starts on a wing). Given a proper chance I believe he will excel. He needs to be our next sure shot for goal. If he can be accurate, I would have him in the forward line ahead of Roughead.

BM though, his return game against Adelaide last year gave us great excitement, but sort of faded after that. He needs another yard of pace in my mind, and better judgement which should come with experience. So not too sure whether BM will make it. Same with Tuck tbh.

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

Beau M's kicking can be summed up along the lines of the little boy who "when he was good he was great but when he was bad he was horrible!"

IE His 50m+ bombs to a target or for goal stand out and his fans/backers love it.
But his clangers that miss by miles stand out to his detractors.

Personally I have noticed more of the latter than the former, so I can only hope and trust that he works his butt off this year and becomes the player that many think he can be.

Beau D needs to do a lot to convince me he will be around for years. I cant help but think that he will forever be fighting injury and thus will never get to string a decent amount of games together. Hope I'm wrong though.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Have been excited to see what the Beau's can produce, but for 2 different reasons, this excitement is dwindling.

BD just doesn't seem to be getting the opportunities he needs to really show what he can do. I think BD should rotate with Roughead and Buddy in the forward line (i.e. when Roughy goes to pinchhit in the ruck, which he will this year, and when Buddy starts on a wing). Given a proper chance I believe he will excel. He needs to be our next sure shot for goal. If he can be accurate, I would have him in the forward line ahead of Roughead.

BM though, his return game against Adelaide last year gave us great excitement, but sort of faded after that. He needs another yard of pace in my mind, and better judgement which should come with experience. So not too sure whether BM will make it. Same with Tuck tbh.

I think you mean the Melbourne game, Pottsie. The Demons let Muston run around without a man and he gathered close to 30 possessions for a great debut game. The Crowbots didn't afford Muston anywhere near the same space and he was barely sighted.

I have my opinions about both players but given that it was noted earlier in the thread that at least one of the players reads the boards, I'll keep those opinions to myself.

 

[monhawks]

Both just need to get some consistent games and they'll be good players for us. That comment by CLA that players are either good or bad kicks and can't be improved is really ignorant. On the flip side placing Ladson in the elite kicking category made me laugh. He is the clanger king for someone with such a high reputation. A bit like Hodge who's kicking I rate higher he tries to drive the ball too often which looks great when it works but goes horribly wrong when it doesn't and that's too often for my liking.

 

[CharlieMitchell]

I think you mean the Melbourne game, Pottsie. The Demons let Muston run around without a man and he gathered close to 30 possessions for a great debut game. The Crowbots didn't afford Muston anywhere near the same space and he was barely sighted.

I have my opinions about both players but given that it was noted earlier in the thread that at least one of the players reads the boards, I'll keep those opinions to myself.

It may be nitpicking but to clarify, Beau had 31 disposals on debut v Melbourne and backed that up with 26 v Adelaide. It was the games following where his disposal count dropped away considerably - 8 v Sydney, 16 v Brisbane (tagging Daniel Rich) and 11 v West Coast. Important to note too that, aside from his 55% disposal efficiency v West Coast, his disposal efficiency never dropped below 73% (not great but far from terrible)

Given the effectiveness of his job on Rich in round 12 last year, he may be given a run with role earlier on, provided Clarko and co don't want to use Shiels in that role.

 

[eldorado]

Last year was, for the third time in his career, his first year back from a knee reco.

It was almost his first year without knee reco surgery since he was 17 (not quite, but...)

It has been mentioned by some at Hawthorn and elsewhere that he was not really expected to shine in his first year back.

A few of us saw some trepidation on occasions, which is to be expected when you know, if the knee goes again, it's all over.

This year should hopefully see Musto play freely to his full potential, without any doubts on his knee holding him back.

And, if he's reading this...Musto, you're HUUUUGE man! How do I get shoulders like you?

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

I'm concerned that B1 still injured and as such has had no prac match for the year.(sadly highlighting what I said earlier re feeling that injury will forever hold him back)

Further concerned that B2 has not been picked for Bris game. AC might have plans, however, I would have thought he still needed to have a real crack this week to get himself a place in starting 22 against Dees. As far as I can tell he has not set world on fire thus far in pre season.

 

[Number 24]

The only thing any of us can be certain of is that Clarkson wil not reveal just what he has in mind for 2010. And he has plenty planned.

A lot of specialised work is being done away from prying eyes. Waverley does not provide that "security".

Most players take a season back on the field before they really hit their straps again after a knee reco. There is no reason to think BM is any different.

From what I have seen at training BM does not need this weeks game to either get fit or prove anything to the decision makers at Hawthorn. He has had a ripper pre season

I'm concerned that B1 still injured and as such has had no prac match for the year.(sadly highlighting what I said earlier re feeling that injury will forever hold him back)

Further concerned that B2 has not been picked for Bris game. AC might have plans, however, I would have thought he still needed to have a real crack this week to get himself a place in starting 22 against Dees. As far as I can tell he has not set world on fire thus far in pre season.

 

[Death Cab]

Dowler could really benefit from some additional size. Bulk-wise, he looks like he's been overtaken by the Shoe who is about 19 y.o. compared to Beau's 22 or so.

Big tank, height, good kicking skills, can take a mark. The tools are there, it's just a matter of putting it together. Given his injuries, its probably fair to compare him to the KPP drafted in 2006.

Of the first round picks, none have really set the world on fire yet:
Gumby
Hansen
Leeunberger
Thorp
Brown brothers
Reid
Frawley
Everitt

Josh Kennedy only looked good in 2009 and he hasn't had BD's injuries.

I read that at the start of the 2004 TAC season things just clicked for Beau Muston. He came from no where to be the stand out player in the comp for the first 8 rounds until he did his knee. Here's hoping the 'clicks' again.

 

[cradle of filth]

Beau Dowler - I think we've all seen that this guy can make it. It's just a matter of wether of not he allows himself to.

In the 13 games that Dowler played last year, he showed us that he has a beautiful long kick, an ability to read the play and confidence problem. Beau put in some solid performances aswell as some weak ones over the course of the year. But it is encouraging to note that his two best outings were the last two of the season.

If he himself realizes that he has a spot in our forward line, then a lack of talent will not be an issue.

Beau Muston - I like to treat 2009 as Mustons first season rather than his fourth. There was nothing he could do for the first three years of his career. He certainly knows how to get the ball, but his kicking is a bit of a worry at times. I think he'll improve with more experience. As i said before, he's really only played one year of football so i disagree with the idea of this being his make-or-break year.

 

[Mervyn Beasley]

Musto very average for BH today apparently.
When he wasnt picked for Bris game I figured he was being rested.
To turn out for 'the 2nds' instead, and not do very well is a bit of a bother I reckon.

 

[beasa00]

Dowler could really benefit from some additional size. Bulk-wise, he looks like he's been overtaken by the Shoe who is about 19 y.o. compared to Beau's 22 or so.

There different types of strength, Beau's is all core strength abs and quads... I saw Beau toss Shoey around like a rag doll in the inter club that didn't happen.... guns aren't everything!