Oppo Camp The Hawthorn Racism Report
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They were questioned. They didn’t respond
From what I've read, they received an email from the journo 24 hours
(I think) before the story dropped.
Seeing as Hawthorn had the report for 2 weeks, I would've thought they could've contacted both Fagan and Clarkson and asked for a response.
They were asked to contribute in general and had nothing to contribute I'd say since they saw no issues. I wouldn't contribute to a report at my work of unfair treatment of women since it's never happened in any way. I'd say never happened and hang up rather then be questioned in that case and Clarkson was probably the same
No chance they were told of the allegations and thought "nah I got nothing to say. Release that to the media without my input"
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Gil mentioned yesterday that there were things in the ABC article that weren’t in the report.
I’ve also heard that the journalist, Russell Jackson, may not have even seen the report but instead contacted the three players separately for the purposes of the story
There’s lots of gaps in what we know - just how hard Jackson tried to get a comment from Hawthorn, the AFL, Clarkson or Fagan is just one of them
As it stands, nobody from Hawthorn at the time has said they were aware of any of these issues. Clarkson and Fagan have denied the allegations
I hope there’s clear evidence one way or another so that the allegations are either proven or the people named have their reputations unequivocally maintained
Will be very, very interesting to see how this all plays out…
I think the external pressure will be too much for even the Vic media boys club to ignore.
Brisbane can quietly shuffle Fagan into retirement - hire Caracalla (or Yze etc).
North are in a pickle, I think they’ll do anything they can to not abort Clarkson coming onboard but it’ll be very tough from here.
I think the external pressure will be too much for even the Vic media boys club to ignore.
Brisbane can quietly shuffle Fagan into retirement - hire Caracalla (or Yze etc).
North are in a pickle, I think they’ll do anything they can to not abort Clarkson coming onboard but it’ll be very tough from here.
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Another key former Hawks figure steps away from role
Former Hawthorn football boss Jason Burt is the latest key figure to step away from his current job at a prestigious school as the fallout from racism claims at the Hawks continues.
thewest.com.au
"Former Hawthorn football boss Jason Burt is the latest key figure to step away from his current job as the fallout from racism claims at the Hawks continues.
Burt has taken indefinite leave from his role at prestigious Melbourne school Caulfield Grammar, where he is the head of coaching and performance sport.
Caulfield Grammar principal Ashleigh Martin wrote to parents on Wednesday night to confirm the decision amid the pending investigation looking into the AFL club.
“Today, Jason Burt advised me of his decision to take an indefinite leave of absence from his role... a role he has been in for three and a half years,” the letter said.
“Jason’s decision follows an announcement by the AFL that it will conduct an independent investigation into historical allegations relating to the treatment of First Nations players at the Hawthorn Football Club.
“Jason is a former employee of Hawthorn, and his desire to engage fully in the investigation, therefore requiring leave from our school.
“As you would appreciate, the matters pertaining to the AFL’s independent investigation are highly sensitive for all parties involved.
“We are providing Jason with appropriate support while the investigation takes place.”
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The main thing I've noticed is that the Collingwood report is available from the AFL here:
And the AFL has said it's not going to release the Hawthorn report.
There's also this quote from the AFL statement:
"The experiences outlined in the document are extremely serious and require further and full examination."
So there's a lot of bad stuff in the report. The AFL doesn't want us to read the whole thing (at least not yet), and appears quite happy to muddy the waters about what's in the report vs what's in the news article.
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Won't fit stinger05 narrativeDiscrimination would be him saying we don't want to draft those types of players (public school, country, aboriginal, those with difficult backgrounds etc etc).
He was saying we do want to draft players with all backgrounds, but clubs need more support (in the soft cap) available for these players.
I.e. calling out the inherent discrimination in the system that kids who go to private schools and have significant assistance from the system in their 16/17/18yo years are much more likely to have success and even more likely just to be drafted.
So yeah, let's have a go at Simmo about that and continue to ignore the issues
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And what of the AFL saying the contents of the report are “extremely serious and require full examination”?
Is that more spin from ‘the media’?
100% straight corporate responce. good on them. but expected. Deflect all critisism that it isnt being taken seriously and tcommunicates that they are all loving and caring.
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"I'm taking leave from my job as I want to help with the investigation."
How much time are they going to be question for total? Maybe 8 hours? And probably not even in one go.
They should just say how it is - you've been stood down until such time where we can confirm these allegations are true or not.
How much time are they going to be question for total? Maybe 8 hours? And probably not even in one go.
They should just say how it is - you've been stood down until such time where we can confirm these allegations are true or not.
I was disgusted by the headline and only got to reading the ABC article now and it's truly disturbing.
It happens time and time again from all walks of life - imo no names should be able to be mentioned until charges have been laid - and I’m not just talking about what has happened in the football world here - as once your name is in print you will always be linked to the incident in question even if found unproven - and then careers get ruined and in some cases even breaks up marriages.
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Whilst I agree that it would be better if Clarkson, Fagan and Burt weren’t named, it’d be incredibly difficult to write that article and not have people conclude it was Clarkson definitely and Fagan probably. Burt as a virtual unknown would have been harder to guess
It would have also meant suspicion would have fallen on Simpson, Ratten, Beveridge, Yze and any other assistant coaches there at the time
This give s Clarksons brief more to work with - sadly it will be us tha tax payers that fork out agains any finding.
PS - is he innocent - I dont know - who does
Have we seen the actual report and annexes of who was consulted - no
Has he been denied justice and defamed - yes.
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