Oppo Camp The Hawthorn Racism Report

[Forward Press]

I spent a bit of time at the ABC.

Unless it's drastically changed, coverage was always down the line, and journalists would scrutinise one side as much as the other, whatever their leanings.

The majority of staff are left leaning, but it's mostly bookish, centre left types. Hardly the alleged band of pinkos.

I appreciate their coverage of issues affecting ethnic minorities, First Nations, global issues etc - you know, the stuff that the free to air and Murdoch publications don't give a toss about.

Yes, a lot of the content is left leaning - that tends to happen when you're actually genuinely obtaining perspectives from migrants and indigenous people.

 

[stinger05]

Watson
Rioli
Ryan
Cameron
Winder
Jones
Kelly
Ah Chee
Petrevski-Seton
Jetta

Have all been brought in during Simpson’s time at the club.

His private school comments were poorly worded but made a valid point. He was acknowledging that some players require more support, especially indigenous players who can have a vastly different background, and when the soft cap cuts came in he was simply stating a truth. With limited resources, clubs would be tempted to choose a “safer” option.

If anything he was arguing the case to exclude player welfare costs from the cap to allow players from diverse backgrounds to be recruited

Our game needs indigenous players and it needs to accept they need more care in some cases. And that care has to come from people removed to a degree from those in control of football operations

Of those players, how may have been delisted or have under performed since being at our club.

We can all feel warm n fuzzy about how we stood my Junior but my the question has to be asked. How has our club treated First Nations players since simmo has been in charge?

Are we not mature enough to ask this question after our head coach has been recruited from “The family club”?

 

[Keys]

Of those players, how may have been delisted or have under performed since being at our club.

We can all feel warm n fuzzy about how we stood my Junior but my the question has to be asked. How has our club treated First Nations players since simmo has been in charge?

Are we not mature enough to ask this question after our head coach has been recruited from “The family club”?

If we’re not taking immediate steps to review our own policies, past and present, then the club has failed regardless of whether there’s any inkling we’ve done anything untoward

And that goes for every other club in the AFL

For the record, I’d be shocked if Simpson was found to have wronged any of our indigenous players due to race as from an outside perspective he’s gone out of his way to understand their culture

 

[stinger05]

It was clumsily worded by Simmo, but I don't think anyone could ever doubt his loyalty to his players and indeed our indigenous footballers. Admittedly things ended a bit rocky with Lewis Jetta but I'm sure that was a football related issue.

As I said in another thread (didn't see that this one had been started) I'd be staggered if Simpson was directly involved. The club does need to find out where he stood in all this.

Jarrod Cameron sticks in my memory, he was a talent and I feel like we fumbled the ball on this.

Jetta was a leader and an inspiration and we cut him, there was plenty of other list cloggers we could’ve cut.

 

[stinger05]

On those Simmo comments I don’t think it was grossly misrepresented, he was stating on a hypothetical regarding the reduction on the soft cap, which means it’s in his realm of thinking.

 

[Keys]

On those Simmo comments I don’t think it was grossly misrepresented, he was stating on a hypothetical regarding the reduction on the soft cap, which means it’s in his realm of thinking.

It’s all about risk vs reward and the allocation of resources

The regimentation within AFL clubs is well known and it doesn’t take much to realise that indigenous players from the bush might find it a difficult adjustment. Especially those who haven’t had much time in a city

So is it any surprise that when recruiting, clubs will consider the work required to facilitate the adjustment of a player into an AFL environment

Rather than admonish people for pointing that out, like Simpson did, it needs to be addressed as to how that problem can be reduced

Intimating that they’re racist for airing such views does nothing to improve the situation

 

[Keys]

Jarrod Cameron sticks in my memory, he was a talent and I feel like we fumbled the ball on this.

Jetta was a leader and an inspiration and we cut him, there was plenty of other list cloggers we could’ve cut.

Cameron had a poor attitude and work ethic

Something happened with Jetta during the first hub (I don’t know what) and the same could be said of Schofield

Not sure either had anything to do with race

 

[Cm Perfect]

The AFL is a pretty f**ked industry when all is said and done - the injunctions (Hawks again), Essendon scandal, Wayne Carey, the Adelaide scandal, ongoing racism and the sweepings under the carpet left right and centre.
What a sh*tfest. The incoming CEO has a big job on his hands. Bring out your dirty linen ya'all.

Yeah but sometimes at West Coast games the crowd boos loudly.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Jarrod Cameron sticks in my memory, he was a talent and I feel like we fumbled the ball on this.

Jetta was a leader and an inspiration and we cut him, there was plenty of other list cloggers we could’ve cut.

Jetta set a very poor example with the tantrums he chucked on the Gold Coast hub .

 

[stinger05]

Jetta set a very poor example with the tantrums he chucked on the Gold Coast hub .

You sound like you have inside knowledge

Can you please expand on these “tantrums”

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Rather than admonish people for pointing that out, like Simpson did, it needs to be addressed as to how that problem can be reduced

Intimating that they’re racist for airing such views does nothing to improve the situation

You wouldn't think highlighting a barrier to talent acquisition and diversity & inclusion would have riled folk up the way it did. The tragedy is this sort of discourse should be encouraged and is needed to shift the needle. Instead it got demonized, everyone high-fives each other for calling out the comment, pops their head back in the sand all the while clubs quietly make more conservative recruitment decisions.

 

[Cuzz09]

He's finished. Footy and media.

Lawsuits coming up.

What an evil piece of dog s**t.

who?

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[Cuzz09]

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Put up a strong argument before he mentioned Simmo. Simmo’s comments were extremely poor but far from racist

Simmons comments are even poor. It's common sense. I'm sure it happens in business too

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[bzparkes]

You sound like you have inside knowledge

Can you please expand on these “tantrums”

Supposedly got intimate with a trainer, which wasn't very friends, family, flags.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

who?

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Clarkson

 

[Free Agent]

Simmons comments are even poor. It's common sense. I'm sure it happens in business too

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What's private schools got to do with drafting players. Always knew they overlook public schools and country footy. Country footy has much more talent then those from private schools. Pretty much means we won't draft anyone from different cultures aswell as they see it as too much work involved. A lot of discrimination in Simmos comments.

I hope we don't have that view in drafting and look elsewhere other then private school with rich parents.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Channel 9 read the room… wonder what Eddie can contribute

 

[Matera92]

Jarrod Cameron sticks in my memory, he was a talent and I feel like we fumbled the ball on this.

Jetta was a leader and an inspiration and we cut him, there was plenty of other list cloggers we could’ve cut.

Jarrod never took the game seriously and was more interested in enjoying himself.

Some players just don't have the desire to compete at an elite level and that's fine, it's not for everyone.

 

[Biggie]

 

[shooshka]

What's private schools got to do with drafting players. Always knew they overlook public schools and country footy. Country footy has much more talent then those from private schools. Pretty much means we won't draft anyone from different cultures aswell as they see it as too much work involved. A lot of discrimination in Simmos comments.

I hope we don't have that view in drafting and look elsewhere other then private school with rich parents.

Discrimination would be him saying we don't want to draft those types of players (public school, country, aboriginal, those with difficult backgrounds etc etc).

He was saying we do want to draft players with all backgrounds, but clubs need more support (in the soft cap) available for these players.

I.e. calling out the inherent discrimination in the system that kids who go to private schools and have significant assistance from the system in their 16/17/18yo years are much more likely to have success and even more likely just to be drafted.

So yeah, let's have a go at Simmo about that and continue to ignore the issues

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[Get_The_Gaff]

You sound like you have inside knowledge

Can you please expand on these “tantrums”

That was how it was described to me from someone that was at the hubs .

 

[ziad]

Well Gil and the Hawks have made the BBC world news just after Putin. I guess we can be grateful that a party drug was not allegedly involved - wow, a club would have to show cause for something that bad.

Who has the accurate time line for all this to link individuals - from what is public I just like that the then Hawks President now works for the AFL.
It is just as impressive that none allegedly involved were, as they believe, interviewed.

Somewhere out there lies the truth. Not sure the AFL will want to find it - it is easier to throw people under the bus and share the blame across all clubs.
I am off to get shares in major legal practices.

 

[WCErevival]

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[kaII]

I am a white, middle class kid from regional WA. I moved to Canberra for a job in the public service, which is mostly made up of private school kids from Melbourne and Sydney. To this day, I still struggle to feel like anyone shares the same values as me. That can cause me to feel isolated at work and - when combined with the distance from my family - quite low in motivation.

It's been eye opening to me because I've realised how much more that sense of 'not belonging' would impact people from non-white backgrounds... where you don't see your values represented, you don't feel like you belong. When I think about indigenous kids in the AFL, it's exactly that: to have a shot at success they need to move across the country, isolating them from their family and placing them in an environment that they're unlikely to ever feel at home in. The tactics reported in Jackson's ABC article are reprehensible on an immediate level because of the clear abuse of power to limit personal freedoms. But on a secondary level, it demonstrates how far the AFL still is from actually treating indigenous players, regional kids, minorities and women equitably. It's an organisation run by rich, private school white men, for rich private school white men.

 

[ziad]

I am a white, middle class kid from regional WA. I moved to Canberra for a job in the public service, which is mostly made up of private school kids from Melbourne and Sydney. To this day, I still struggle to feel like anyone shares the same values as me. That can cause me to feel isolated at work and - when combined with the distance from my family - quite low in motivation.

It's been eye opening to me because I've realised how much more that sense of 'not belonging' would impact people from non-white backgrounds... where you don't see your values represented, you don't feel like you belong. When I think about indigenous kids in the AFL, it's exactly that: to have a shot at success they need to move across the country, isolating them from their family and placing them in an environment that they're unlikely to ever feel at home in. The tactics reported in Jackson's ABC article are reprehensible on an immediate level because of the clear abuse of power to limit personal freedoms. But on a secondary level, it demonstrates how far the AFL still is from actually treating indigenous players, regional kids, minorities and women equitably. It's an organisation run by rich, private school white men, for rich private school white men.

Some truth in this. I have lived in Canberra. But we are not as bad as most I can assure you.