Oppo Camp The Hawthorn Racism Report

[ukurrie]

There’s a few people in here who don’t know how journalism works.

Clarkson and Fagan should have been contacted by Hawthorn and/or the AFL, but Jackson has given them the appropriate amount of time to offer a comment or ask for an extra day to collect their thoughts.

Oh, and as Ben Roberts-Smith may well find out soon, it’s not defamation if it is true.

 

[Dylan82]

Have to say the contents of this report are possibly the worst that I have come across in relation to a club.

Words fail to describe how horrible it must have been for the players who lived through this.



I feel shocked and angry, but also very sad. Sad for football and sad for our country.

 

[Dylan82]

I am a white, middle class kid from regional WA. I moved to Canberra for a job in the public service, which is mostly made up of private school kids from Melbourne and Sydney. To this day, I still struggle to feel like anyone shares the same values as me. That can cause me to feel isolated at work and - when combined with the distance from my family - quite low in motivation.

It's been eye opening to me because I've realised how much more that sense of 'not belonging' would impact people from non-white backgrounds... where you don't see your values represented, you don't feel like you belong. When I think about indigenous kids in the AFL, it's exactly that: to have a shot at success they need to move across the country, isolating them from their family and placing them in an environment that they're unlikely to ever feel at home in. The tactics reported in Jackson's ABC article are reprehensible on an immediate level because of the clear abuse of power to limit personal freedoms. But on a secondary level, it demonstrates how far the AFL still is from actually treating indigenous players, regional kids, minorities and women equitably. It's an organisation run by rich, private school white men, for rich private school white men.

Excellent post.

 

[Farang83150]

A "babysitter" for the Kellys.

And Jnr.

 

[Dylan82]

Suggested by many in here, and now ignorance isn’t possible for any club as Eddie Betts has begged for it on national television, but if the Eagles aren’t arranging a review on their practices tomorrow, they’ve *ed up. Especially as there was some crossover between Simmo and the Hawks during this time. Not suggesting anything about us or him, but smart business would be looking into this immediately.

Even a club as archaic as West Coast surely shouldn’t fumble this. If the human impact isn’t enough to drive them then surely the irreparable damage to club’s reputation (and therefore finances, the only language they speak) if something similar blindsided them later should jolt them into action.

If we’re not taking immediate steps to review our own policies, past and present, then the club has failed regardless of whether there’s any inkling we’ve done anything untoward

And that goes for every other club in the AFL

For the record, I’d be shocked if Simpson was found to have wronged any of our indigenous players due to race as from an outside perspective he’s gone out of his way to understand their culture

Completely agree with these posts - after Do Better from Collingwood and now this from Hawthorn, EVERY club needs to come forward and demonstrate how they are proactively addressing such concerns to create a supportive and inclusive environment for all players regardless of background.

 

[Keys]

Completely agree with these posts - after Do Better from Collingwood and now this from Hawthorn, EVERY club needs to come forward and demonstrate how they are proactively addressing such concerns to create a supportive and inclusive environment for all players regardless of background.

Fremantle have released a statement saying they’re open to doing a review. Not surprising since one thing they’ve always been good at is their treatment of indigenous players, it’s the one positive legacy Gerard Neesham left them with

I’d like to see us go one better and announce we are doing one. Ben Wyatt is on the board and would be more than suitable to lead a review

 

[archiemoses]

I'm assuming Hawthorn didn't have an indigenous liaison officer or equivalent during this time?

 

[ziad]

There’s a few people in here who don’t know how journalism works.

Clarkson and Fagan should have been contacted by Hawthorn and/or the AFL, but Jackson has given them the appropriate amount of time to offer a comment or ask for an extra day to collect their thoughts.

Oh, and as Ben Roberts-Smith may well find out soon, it’s not defamation if it is true.

a few know what happened and are filled in by journalists

 

[Marlin01]

Fremantle have released a statement saying they’re open to doing a review. Not surprising since one thing they’ve always been good at is their treatment of indigenous players, it’s the one positive legacy Gerard Neesham left them with

I’d like to see us go one better and announce we are doing one. Ben Wyatt is on the board and would be more than suitable to lead a review

Has to be independent or it will have no credibility.

 

[ziad]

Has to be independent or it will have no credibility.

This and the need for every club to have indiginous support/programmes will gobble up some of the soft cap and discretionalr funds the AFL have even before inflation does. Oh to be a lawyer

 

[ukurrie]

a few know what happened and are filled in by journalists

Yeah. I call bullshit on that. But whatever makes you feel important.

 

[southcoast]

This and the need for every club to have indiginous support/programmes will gobble up some of the soft cap and discretionalr funds the AFL have even before inflation does. Oh to be a lawyer

IIRC - AFL requires all clubs to have an Indigenous Liaison Officer (or similar) and wages were outside the soft cap.




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[Eagletime]

Has to be independent or it will have no credibility.

Will have no credibility either way. Witch hunts never do

 

[Godfather32]

Will have no credibility either way. Witch hunts never do

Get banned yesterday did we?

 

[KBLT]

You know they're nervous when it gets called a witch hunt.

 

[Dazzler9]

Get banned yesterday did we?

Must've been sitting on an alt account for just such an occasion.

 

[Altum Volantes]

A "babysitter" for the Kellys.

JAMAINE JONES?!

 

[DickDunn]

Gillon McLachlan on 360 tonight said something along the lines of “the flavour of the (ABC article) is similar to the flavour of the report” which Gil has actually seen.

Does anyone still seriously think this is just the notoriously fast and loose ABC making shit up/not bothering to fact check?

 

[UseR2006]

Gillon McLachlan on 360 tonight said something along the lines of “the flavour of the (ABC article) is similar to the flavour of the report” which Gil has actually seen.

Does anyone still seriously think this is just the notoriously fast and loose ABC making s**t up/not bothering to fact check?

I don't think that's the case at all but the whole thing is incomplete without the sides of those accused.
Which neither the club report or the article have.

I would have rather they not released the article until they had spoken to the coaches (which the writer says they tried to do but is disputed by the coaches) if anything for completeness.

The fact that so many assistants from under Clarko went on to take up senior gigs or senior assistant gigs elsewhere is going to be interesting if any other names come up.

• Damien Hardwick, Richmond
• Todd Viney, Melbourne
• Leon Cameron, Greater Western Sydney
• Adam Simpson, West Coast
• Luke Beveridge, Western Bulldogs
• John Barker, Carlton (2015 caretaker coach)
• Brendon Bolton, Hawthorn (caretaker), Carlton
• Chris Fagan, Brisbane Lions
• Brett Ratten, St Kilda
• Sam Mitchell, Hawthorn
• Craig McRae, Collingwood

Ratten had previously coached at Carlton between 2007 and 2012 before joining Hawthorn as an assistant coach in 2013.

 

[Cm Perfect]

I don't think that's the case at all but the whole thing is incomplete without the sides of those accused.
Which neither the club report or the article have.

I would have rather they not released the article until they had spoken to the coaches (which the writer says they tried to do but is disputed by the coaches) if anything for completeness.

The fact that so many assistants from under Clarko went on to take up senior gigs or senior assistant gigs elsewhere is going to be interesting if any other names come up.

• Damien Hardwick, Richmond
• Todd Viney, Melbourne
• Leon Cameron, Greater Western Sydney
• Adam Simpson, West Coast
• Luke Beveridge, Western Bulldogs
• John Barker, Carlton (2015 caretaker coach)
• Brendon Bolton, Hawthorn (caretaker), Carlton
• Chris Fagan, Brisbane Lions
• Brett Ratten, St Kilda
• Sam Mitchell, Hawthorn
• Craig McRae, Collingwood

Ratten had previously coached at Carlton between 2007 and 2012 before joining Hawthorn as an assistant coach in 2013.

The accusations are so serious that those implicated would never say anything specific publicly; it will all be done behind closed doors with lawyers involved.

From their point of view, there's nothing to gain by saying anything in public, as clearly something happened and it needs to be dealt with properly rather than hashed out in the media.

In that context, might as well release the article (as they've done) and let the investigation progress from here.

 

[ziad]

Gillon McLachlan on 360 tonight said something along the lines of “the flavour of the (ABC article) is similar to the flavour of the report” which Gil has actually seen.

Does anyone still seriously think this is just the notoriously fast and loose ABC making s**t up/not bothering to fact check?

does anybody think that?? or do ou hold a deep prejudice?

I assume you mean fact check against a report that is not available to the public?

 

[Biggie]

Hawks assistant ‘backs up’ some allegations as AFL boss concedes ‘livelihoods’ at stake

Hawks assistant ‘backs up’ some allegations AFL boss says ‘livelihoods’ at stake

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[WCEforeverman]

Hawks assistant ‘backs up’ some allegations as AFL boss concedes ‘livelihoods’ at stake

Hawks assistant ‘backs up’ some allegations AFL boss says ‘livelihoods’ at stake

www.foxsports.com.au

Interesting comment re the scope of the report. Surely it needs to be widened now.

 

[ukurrie]

Gillon McLachlan on 360 tonight said something along the lines of “the flavour of the (ABC article) is similar to the flavour of the report” which Gil has actually seen.

Does anyone still seriously think this is just the notoriously fast and loose ABC making s**t up/not bothering to fact check?

Go and look up Russell Jackson’s recent investigative pieces - Robbie Muir, sexual abuse at Footscray, a paedophile ring at St Kilda little league.

I groaned when I saw the headline and the author because I knew it would be true. This is his specialty.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

There is little to no incentive for the four who have told their stories to get together and collude on a massive scandal like this.

The idea they've waited 10+ years to make it up, to profit somehow is absurd. There will be enough corroborating evidence floating around to indicate whether the stories are likely to be true.

I imagine if anything, given we haven't heard of it before, they would have been happy to never speak of it again and just move on with their lives. It was the investigation carried out that dredged these stories up. They didn't go seeking publicity.