Mega Thread The hunt for a new senior coach

[Northalives]

they sacked ratten because they wanted malthouse, sure he didn't do great but he didn't do too bad either, ratten is not my first choice in fact he'd be about fourth or fifth but if it's him they choose through the processes they have in place then i guess i'll live with it

They sacked Ratten 'cause he's a middle-of-the-road coach and they don't want to be a middle-of-the-road team. They sacked him 'cause he's a failure and if we want to be a middle-of-the-road team, hire Ratten, Wallace.

If we want someone who is going to come in and take charge and make the hard decisions for the long term without fear nor favour, I'd rather take Dennis Pagan every day of the week and twice on Sunday ahead of those other two jokers.

We do not want a first time coach nor a recently sacked one nor a constant failure of a coach. We require an experienced, hard nosed mongrel who wont let anyone off the hook or make decisions based solely on retaining his job.

 

[Natman]

They sacked Ratten 'cause he's a middle-of-the-road coach and they don't want to be a middle-of-the-road team. They sacked him 'cause he's a failure and if we want to be a middle-of-the-road team, hire Ratten, Wallace.

If we want someone who is going to come in and take charge and make the hard decisions for the long term without fear nor favour, I'd rather take Dennis Pagan every day of the week and twice on Sunday ahead of those other two jokers.

We do not want a first time coach nor a recently sacked one nor a constant failure of a coach. We require an experienced, hard nosed mongrel who wont let anyone off the hook or make decisions based solely on retaining his job.

Great description. Who do you think meets that criteria and is gettable? Sorry, but this is a sarcastic post for obvious reasons.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Eade and Roos meet that criteria IMO. Only Eade is gettable.

This decision is so incredibly obvious and yet I'm so incredibly worried that they'll stuff it up.

 

[Dalphonso]

They sacked Ratten 'cause he's a middle-of-the-road coach and they don't want to be a middle-of-the-road team. They sacked him 'cause he's a failure and if we want to be a middle-of-the-road team, hire Ratten, Wallace.

If we want someone who is going to come in and take charge and make the hard decisions for the long term without fear nor favour, I'd rather take Dennis Pagan every day of the week and twice on Sunday ahead of those other two jokers.

We do not want a first time coach nor a recently sacked one nor a constant failure of a coach. We require an experienced, hard nosed mongrel who wont let anyone off the hook or make decisions based solely on retaining his job.

Wasn't Dennis Pagan sacked at Carlton because he was useless?????
Also he didn't have anyone with even 20% of Wayne Careys ability in his Carlton side.
Carey made Pagan famous.

 

[tribey]

Wasn't Dennis Pagan sacked at Carlton because he was useless?????
Also he didn't have anyone with even 20% of Wayne Careys ability in his Carlton side.
Carey made Pagan famous.

Carlton were useless, not Pagan.

"Oh hai, Denis. Welcome to a club in dire need of a rebuild and surprise, try doing it with no picks or money".

 

[Dalphonso]

Spot on. Ratten isn't my preference but if the selection committee select him so be it. I trust KT.

KT is proving a good fit for the PAFC.

 

[Natman]

Eade and Roos meet that criteria IMO. Only Eade is gettable.

This decision is so incredibly obvious and yet I'm so incredibly worried that they'll stuff it up.

Based on the criteria, I didn't think that Eade qualified.

 

[Schulzenfest]

First time coach: Nope.
Recently sacked coach: Well, depends on your definition of recently, but I'd say no.
Constant failure of a coach: Again, depends on your definition of 'failure', but taking over two wooden spoon clubs and taking them to 1 GF and 3 PF's respectively is a hell of a lot better than the record of most coaches even if he hasn't achieved a flag.

Experienced: Hell yes.
Hard nosed: Ask Brian Lake.
Won't let anyone off the hook: Ask Brian Lake.
Make decisions based solely on retaining his job: Remains to be seen, but we won't know that with anyone until we hire them.

 

[n4nirvana]

What I don't understand is that Ratten advocates are arguing that Carlton were poorly resourced off-field and so Ratten didn't actually have a black chequebook and was similarly hamstrung like Primus (although not to the extent of having Skype coaches).

How come we never heard about this before Ratten was fired?

Yea I don't understand that argument either. Its not true.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-the-big-winners/story-fnca0u4y-1226360649454

Fitness and conditioning of players was another glaring example of the gulf between the rich and poorer clubs. Carlton spent $2.4m in that area - more than any other club in the competition - which was double what Port Adelaide and the Bulldogs each spent on fitness.
The West Coast Eagles outlaid $1.3m on recruitment and list management, while at the opposite end of the scale the Bulldogs spent just $300,000.
The Blues' $1.5m increase in football department expenditure improved their standing from eighth to fifth, including the club's first finals win since 2001.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-the-big-winners/story-fnca0u4y-1226360649454

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/rich-clubs-seek-no-spending-limit/story-fnelctok-1226424872716

Carlton chief executive Greg Swann has no doubt big-spending clubs thrive, the Blues having increased football department spending by $1.5 million to $18.2 million last year.
"I think the stats are pretty evident that those that spend the most are more likely to have success," Swann said

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/rich-clubs-seek-no-spending-limit/story-fnelctok-1226424872716

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-20m-to-buy-flag/story-e6frg7mf-1226049430571

The gap in overall football spending between Collingwood and 16th-ranked North Melbourne was $5.5m last year.
The Kangaroos increased their spend by a moderate $460,000, but still lagged behind the rest of the clubs with all-up expenditure of $14m.
The competition's average cost of operating football departments last year was $16.4m.
But six clubs - Adelaide, Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Richmond, the Western Bulldogs and North - all came in under that figure

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-20m-to-buy-flag/story-e6frg7mf-1226049430571

and this thread

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/afl-finance-reporting-season-all-clubs-to-date.892065/

 

[Powerade 08]

This decision is so incredibly obvious and yet I'm so incredibly worried that they'll stuff it up.

If Eade doesn't come over for family reasons I am worried we will f**k it up.

Primus had to go and Eade picks himself - these are not hard decisions.

When the review comes out and we act on it and make more changes then we can be confident that the people in charge know what they're doing... until then, nope.

 

[bomberclifford]

...Welcome to a club in dire need of a rebuild and surprise, try doing it with no picks or money".

Sounds a little like us.

 

[Northalives]

I'm no Eade lover but if he was appointed, I would not be upset. He would really straighten out a lot of our players and ship out the ones that need to go. I would be very displeased if we got Ratten.

Just on Pagan. I saw some of that "Open Mike" thing the other day with Pagan on it and all I could keep thinking was "this is the bloke we need" (Pagan that is).

 

[Northalives]

Sounds a little like us.

A little but we have some very talented, if raw, young fellas which Carlton didn't.

 

[scottjr]

Was Eade in anyway responsible for Collingwood turning things around around night?....it is an easy choice the media is turning into a circus because it sells....Power are doing exactly as they said they would do will not mess it up...

 

[Joelg]

Phil Walsh? 2004 premiership and not bad at West Coast?

 

[chachi11]

If we dont get eade, I would be okay with ratten as senior assistant with cameron as senior coach...

 

[tribey]

Sounds a little like us.

If we still had Tredrea, Lade, Francou, Primus, Chad and Wakelin on our list and but a 3rd Rounder up our sleeve, yeah.

 

[Spadge]

after reading facebook i have changed my mind

Eade has had 2 years out of the coaching game and isnt up with the modern game

Ratten MUST be our coach

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Good to see the maths science students on face book reckon Rd 21 (of 24) 2011 to PF 2012 is 2 football seasons out of the game.

 

[Schulzenfest]

It's also nice to see that they consider being the second in command at a club that's probably less than a week away from making a Grand Final as being 'out of the game' but getting sacked from the 10th placed side a month ago as being in the game.

 

[Port85]

Facebook is symbolic of everything that is DERP with society.

I should know, I'm on it everyday.

 

[Portia]

Facebook is symbolic of everything that is DERP with society.

I should know, I'm on it everyday.

I would Like that post, but your avatar would need to be animated.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Yea I don't understand that argument either. Its not true.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-20m-to-buy-flag/story-e6frg7mf-1226049430571
.....

Thanks for the link. I tried to find it when I posted info in the licence thread discussion 4 weeks ago, from the hard copy of that article, which had a table of figures and which I put into a spreadsheet last year

If you look at the table in my post - Carlton in 2010 non player portion of footy ops spend were only middle of the pack ie equal 7th and 8th when player salaries are included.

See figures in a table at post #92

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/licence-switch-within-the-month.968443/page-4#post-25358757

 

[TheFVK]

If you look at the table in my post - Carlton in 2010 non player portion of footy ops spend were only middle of the pack ie equal 7th and 8th when player salaries are included.

Only in the world of Carlton is being 7th in football operation expenditure an excuse for failure.

Carlton chief executive Greg Swann has no doubt big-spending clubs thrive, the Blues having increased football department spending by $1.5 million to $18.2 million last year.
"I think the stats are pretty evident that those that spend the most are more likely to have success," Swann said

And right there sums up everything that is wrong with that club.

 

[portlandpope]

Lets hope the coaching selection is wider than Ratten and Eade....We need the new breed coaches that comes from the pedigree of the swans, geelong, collingwood or hawthorn stables....who has been influenced by Leading Teams...takes a long term view but not too long term view....does not get flustered....is able to quickly assess the team...lift those with talent....pass on those whose talent can't fit the team....and can work a team of coaches....and believes that Port Power can be a long term force in the AFL