List Mgmt. The Kelly and All Draft and Trades Discussion Thread- #freetim #ITSHAPPENING

[Obeanie1]

meh, 14 wells will pick a player available at 25 and as for 24 it will be a player available at 30, so meh

As I said. It says a lot.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Miguel why do you think the wce didnt select young tim in previous drafts?

We actually discussed this at length on a podcast episode. I can’t remember which one, but it was sometime in the last two seasons.

Let me know when you come across that one.

 

[Monocle]

 

[dajesmac]

The folks over on the Saints board seem to think that our second round pick (~33) would be good enough to prise him loose. I imagine that we could probably get a favourable pick swap later in the draft too. The Saints seemed pretty reasonable last year with Hickey and will be looking for picks to make their various trades work.

Say if we got Kelly for our 2019 and 2020 first, we'd have ~22 and ~33 to play with this year. Using 22 on a mid (Robertson/Sharp/Rivers?) and then trading 33 for Acres would be a great result for us.

I’m worried we will hand over 22 this year as well for Kelly.

 

[PremiershipNo4]

At the end of the day we so much have the upper hand in this trade, if the cats are asking too much WC are way too smart to pay it, and will just go to the draft.
Our recruitment team would be more than happy to do that, they spend their entire year looking at young players and would love to have a crack, meaning Geelong get **** all.
It’s funny to hear so much whinging from Geelong management from the Cats and not a word from WC, they know who’s in charge here.

 

[kranky al]

At the end of the day we so much have the upper hand in this trade, if the cats are asking too much WC are way too smart to pay it, and will just go to the draft.
Our recruitment team would be more than happy to do that, they spend their entire year looking at young players and would love to have a crack, meaning Geelong get fu** all.
It’s funny to hear so much whinging from Geelong management from the Cats and not a word from WC, they know who’s in charge here.

Whiniest club in the afl

 

[bUCKET__]

I think it's weird to hear people devalue the first round picks from next year, just because there's supposedly a lot of top-end talent that will be tied to the bidding system.

History would tell us that this makes these first round picks more valuable, but only for particular teams.

If a team expects a bid on their nominated player around pick ~20, then a pick lower than that is worth twice as much as usual (along with the lower table point accumulation we're all used to). It means they get a dip before their bid goes in. So they have heaps of incentive to trade up the draft, as well as trading in lower picks. They need to get ahead of the bid to maximise value.

This all depends on where the bidding falls, which you can't too reliably guess one year out.

But clearly the more bids are expected in the first round, the more likely it is that some team is going to be eyeing off the pick come the 2020 draft.

 

[Bestbird]

I think it's weird to hear people devalue the first round picks from next year, just because there's supposedly a lot of top-end talent that will be tied to the bidding system.

History would tell us that this makes these first round picks more valuable, but only for particular teams.

If a team expects a bid on their nominated player around pick ~20, then a pick lower than that is worth twice as much as usual (along with the lower table point accumulation we're all used to). It means they get a dip before their bid goes in. So they have heaps of incentive to trade up the draft, as well as trading in lower picks. They need to get ahead of the bid to maximise value.

This all depends on where the bidding falls, which you can't too reliably guess one year out.

But clearly the more bids are expected in the first round, the more likely it is that some team is going to be eyeing off the pick come the 2020 draft.

Not to mention that a year is a long time in terms of predicting next years top 10 players. Brander as an example from memory was predicted top 5 or so

 

[Mahlepi]

Whiniest club in the afl

we have to win something

 

[WCE_phil]

I'll just give you guys what you want -

Kelly, Pick 36 + Jordan Clark for Pick 14 + 34

There, now have your celebration. Peace

Lets be fair and reasonable here. It would be Kelly, Clark and 36 for Brander, 14, 24 and our future first.

 

[Bluke]

Sounds like a convenient excuse to devalue our first pick next year.

 

[Max zero]

Pretty different player to Masten to be honest.
191cm and 90kg vs 180cm and 78kg. Acres is much better at winning contested footy and laying tackles.
Has largely played this past year as a leading HFF and has been used to pinch hit in the ruck at times.

In terms of how much ball Acres gets, he averaged 20+ touches in 2017 and 2018 when he was playing midfield roles. His numbers dropped this season as a lead up forward, a role that Saints fans agree was a less than ideal role for him. Before this season he was averaging more touches than SPP.

As far as hurt factor and "making something happen", Acres actually averages more score involvements and goal assists than SPP over their careers.
SPP had a whopping one(!) goal assist this past season (Acres had 13) to go with his league leading clanger rate. Talk about hurt factor!

Clearance wise, SPP is hardly mana from heaven. 8.5 contested touches and 3 clearances per game isn't a huge amount to write home about, and it certainly doesn't justify how terrible his kicking is. By comparison, Acres has averaged 6.5 and 2, albeit in a number of different roles.

I think your post is a bit harsh on Masto, who has been a significant contributor over his career. If we could get a taller, stronger Masto who is better in a contest and more versatile - wouldn't that actually be a great thing?

If he has such an impact in the guts why play him forward? Its not like St Kilda has an amazing midfield keeping him out.

You make excuses for Acres this year (played out of position) but SPP going in and out of a Port side all over the place is ignored.

Remember SPP is 2 years younger. You a comparing a 19 yo SPP v a 21 yo Arces at points.

We don't need a HFF or loose wingers. We got those already. What we need someone who can play in the guts and win stoppages. To me SPP is much better suited to that role.

 

[Mahlepi]

page 197 and kelly conundrum still not solved

hypothetical
do the 2019 eagles win the flag with kelly and pickett

and if so - would you not over pay to ensure you miss out

 

[Max zero]

page 197 and kelly conundrum still not solved

hypothetical
do the 2019 eagles win the flag with kelly and pickett

and if so - would you not over pay to ensure you miss out

I doubt it. Talent wasn't our issue this year it was desire and consistancy.

We didn't play 1 4Q game all year.

Maybe Kelly gets us the win in the Semi but I suspect we lose the Prelim the week after.

The ladder is an accurate reflection of our year.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

We don't need a HFF or loose wingers. We got those already. What we need someone who can play in the guts and win stoppages. To me SPP is much better suited to that role.

You have that completely backwards we have inside mids in shuey sheed yeo redden kelly ? Hutch

What do we have on the outside - gaff and ?

 

[ziad]

I am bullish about the draft - no point paying overs - let Bell pick him up in the draft

 

[Max zero]

You have that completely backwards we have inside mids in shuey sheed yeo redden kelly ? Hutch

What do we have on the outside - gaff and ?

Honestly Sheed does his best work in space. His hack kick forwards under pressure did us no favours. Redden and Shuey will be 29 at the start of new season who are the inside players we plan on replacing them with? Ainsworth still hasn't got a decent ball drop, MAllen is probably going to be delisted and Yeo is often in a tagging role.

 

[RanaNaved]

Every mid hack kicks forward under pressure

 

[JDWCE]

Pretty different player to Masten to be honest.
191cm and 90kg vs 180cm and 78kg. Acres is much better at winning contested footy and laying tackles.
Has largely played this past year as a leading HFF and has been used to pinch hit in the ruck at times.

In terms of how much ball Acres gets, he averaged 20+ touches in 2017 and 2018 when he was playing midfield roles. His numbers dropped this season as a lead up forward, a role that Saints fans agree was a less than ideal role for him. Before this season he was averaging more touches than SPP.

As far as hurt factor and "making something happen", Acres actually averages more score involvements and goal assists than SPP over their careers.
SPP had a whopping one(!) goal assist this past season (Acres had 13) to go with his league leading clanger rate. Talk about hurt factor!

Clearance wise, SPP is hardly mana from heaven. 8.5 contested touches and 3 clearances per game isn't a huge amount to write home about, and it certainly doesn't justify how terrible his kicking is. By comparison, Acres has averaged 6.5 and 2, albeit in a number of different roles.

I think your post is a bit harsh on Masto, who has been a significant contributor over his career. If we could get a taller, stronger Masto who is better in a contest and more versatile - wouldn't that actually be a great thing?

Valid points. When Acres has been played in the guts or on a wing he has excelled. Problem is, the saints coaches have used him as a Mr Fix It all over the shop. Not necessarily a bad thing though. Potentially means more strings to his bow. I would gladly welcome Acres.

Nothing wrong with SPP either, but Acres is superior in my opinion

 

[ep2018]

Valid points. When Acres has been played in the guts or on a wing he has excelled. Problem is, the saints coaches have used him as a Mr Fix It all over the shop. Not necessarily a bad thing though. Potentially means more strings to his bow. I would gladly welcome Acres.

Nothing wrong with SPP either, but Acres is superior in my opinion

Freo will get Acres as part of the Hill trade imo.

 

[kranky al]

f*ck - just wasted a good 20 minutes o the geelong board.

Those cnuts are prehensile....

No matter how many times you say something..... the comprehension skills of a bath plug


According to them kelly has said he will go to either team - if thats true i doubt we are in the box seat at all.

 

[JDWCE]

Freo will get Acres as part of the Hill trade imo.

Yep I unfortunately think a scenario like that is likely too. Bugger

 

[Max zero]

Valid points. When Acres has been played in the guts or on a wing he has excelled. Problem is, the saints coaches have used him as a Mr Fix It all over the shop. Not necessarily a bad thing though. Potentially means more strings to his bow. I would gladly welcome Acres.

Nothing wrong with SPP either, but Acres is superior in my opinion

Honestly I wouldn't mind either because to me our young midfielders are a bit iffy. The fact that Brander is being played on the wing when he is clearly more suited to being a KPP is a concern.

Can anyone point to any of our 22 or younger mids with any confidence that they will make it?

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Because up until 2017, he wasn't good enough.

We were going to get him at pick 26 in 2017 after he made improvement to his fitness and kicking skills, having engaged with our club during the year.

It's all good, we will end up getting him anyway.

The same reason no other club took him for 5 years either

 

[kranky al]

Every mid hack kicks forward under pressure

Rarely see shuey do it