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Don't know why the press hassled the players about the coaching decisions. They are as much to blame as the coach for the disaster that is Melbourne and had no control over the board's decision. Teams win, teams lose - let's just play football!
 

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leeloo said:
That statement will hardly have left Neeld sleeping well at night :eek:
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Agreed, it didn't exactly say "we choose Mark" it basically just said "we're not going to fire him...TODAY"
 
shinboner spiggs said:
im happy for neeldy. unfortunately, when you inherit the worst list running around and couple that with the worst recruiting in a while, success is not going to come fast/easy. sacking him will mean starting all over again, meaning more time spent in the spoon area. sure, neeld is no jock mchale. but in the first past of this awful season, player effort has been amassive question. thats not neelds fault. if the players refuse to give effort, in the end they will be punished. lately, however, their effort has been better, but arent running out nor have the skills.

they badly miss mitch clark, grimes. rivers was a huge loss. it will come good for them at some stage, but axing the coach will do little if anything to stop what is happening.
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He didnt inherit the worst list, but it is now. As a direct result of coaching and own recruiting.
 
Well he is safe for now. Everyone needs to just back off.

Like I said earlier, to sack him would have been the easy way out. Could still be at the end of the season.

Takes a fair amount of courage in these circumstances to stick with the coach.

Perhaps if the vultures in the press corp backed off it would help.

But, it is now up to the Melbourne players, sponsors, and supporters.

Your club NEEDS YOU.
 
I'm ok, not thrilled, with letting him stay.

Would cost us money, no alternative available as caretaker, and ideally he should be given a chance without such relentless pressure.

He's had one pre-season of drafting and recruiting. He undertook a huge cleanout of the list. Brought in 5 or 6 highly rated youngsters, a Chris Dawes (who looks pretty good so far) and 4 complete dud veterans who may or may not have something to add on the training track (because they sure as shit haven't shown much at AFL level... I spose Byrnes has been ok at times if we're looking for positives).

Gameplan looked ok at times, but we really struggle to execute it. I mean, struggle doesn't even come close to describing how inept we are at playing the way Neeld wants us to, but that's life I guess.

But if his retention leads to us losing Frawley, Jones, Sylvia and Watts.... I'll... end up in the news.
 
Oh, and I think we have to back Peter Jackson in, and am pretty happy with him being appointed until at least the end of next year.

I prefer CEO's that take the time to see how things are running and form an opinion over time. Unlike our last bloke.
 
LouisCK said:
But if his retention leads to us losing Frawley, Jones, Sylvia and Watts.... I'll... end up in the news.
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Perhaps that is part of the problem.

One of those 4 should go, as he has been a true disappointment in his time there - Sylvia.

You can only get so many games under all the coaches at Melbourne without justification to be selected. His off-field behaviour hasn't set a great standard either.

I believe he is a restricted free agent this season. Might be worth seeing what you can get for him.

I think you need to keep the other 3 though.
 
pazza said:
Perhaps that is part of the problem.

One of those 4 should go, as he has been a true disappointment in his time there - Sylvia.

You can only get so many games under all the coaches at Melbourne without justification to be selected. His off-field behaviour hasn't set a great standard either.

I believe he is a restricted free agent this season. Might be worth seeing what you can get for him.

I think you need to keep the other 3 though.
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He has justification though, he plays just well enough to not deserve to get dropped, with a few absolute superstar-level games thrown in to make us fantasise about what he'd be like with consistency. He's like the poor man's Travis Johnstone. And TJ had severe consistency issues himself.

I wouldn't want Colin to leave simply because we can't afford to keep losing senior players, we've lost way too many in the past 4 years to keep doing it.

If someone threw us a top ten pick for him though, obviously we'd think about it. But his form has been good enough this year. Not good by any stretch, but good enough.

I think we need all four really. Watts is still very young and only just hit 50 games at 21 or 22 years old - so he isn't really a 'senior' player, but we can't afford to lose him. What I'm hating is the development of him as a backman. He looks ten times better as a forward, especially with Dawes next to him. Time to kill that experiment and play him up forward and, dare I say it, in the guts. Howe looks heaps better as the running backman anyway.

Frawley is still really good, playing under tough circumstances he still does a great job of negating the best forwards in the comp, and is one of the few backmen who can literally play on any forward.

Nathan Jones is basically Bambi's mother for the MFC right now. If he leaves, the club will be in really serious trouble attracting members or sponsors.
 

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LouisCK said:
He has justification though, he plays just well enough to not deserve to get dropped, with a few absolute superstar-level games thrown in to make us fantasise about what he'd be like with consistency. He's like the poor man's Travis Johnstone. And TJ had severe consistency issues himself.

I wouldn't want Colin to leave simply because we can't afford to keep losing senior players, we've lost way too many in the past 4 years to keep doing it.

If someone threw us a top ten pick for him though, obviously we'd think about it. But his form has been good enough this year. Not good by any stretch, but good enough.

I think we need all four really. Watts is still very young and only just hit 50 games at 21 or 22 years old - so he isn't really a 'senior' player, but we can't afford to lose him. What I'm hating is the development of him as a backman. He looks ten times better as a forward, especially with Dawes next to him. Time to kill that experiment and play him up forward and, dare I say it, in the guts. Howe looks heaps better as the running backman anyway.

Frawley is still really good, playing under tough circumstances he still does a great job of negating the best forwards in the comp, and is one of the few backmen who can literally play on any forward.

Nathan Jones is basically Bambi's mother for the MFC right now. If he leaves, the club will be in really serious trouble attracting members or sponsors.
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I'd be keeping Davey too. Looked good since coming back
 
It's Terry Wallace all over again. Memo to the media:

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Keithy George said:
He didnt inherit the worst list, but it is now. As a direct result of coaching and own recruiting.
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Absolutely, who wants to be apart of a team that's almost always going to lose?

Bringing in Jackson is a great start for recovering a once proud club. The next thing they need to do is change the board and change the football department.
 
Their draw post bye isn't too bad.

Dogs x 2, GC, GWS, Saints, Lions all to come.

They could let Neeld take another belting against the pies, then the new coach can come in and if he can galvanise the players he could win 3 or 4 games at the back end of the season.

The delay in sacking him could also be to give them time to bring someone from outside the club in rather than one of their pus assistants taking the reins.
 
I don't see what the benefit of waiting until the end of the year to sack Neeld would be.

At the end of the year the AFL and TV networks will have made up their mind on giving them a possibly worst-ever commercial draw next year (no FNF for second straight year, almost entirely Sunday games home or away). Any benefits of a new coach in a membership sense will be countered by a horrible slate of games for drawing at-ground attendances.

Want-away players coming out of contract (but not free agents) or even under contract will get an extra half-season to let their managers agitate behind the scenes. A new coach might be able to turn this around but would only get a short window to do so.

May as well give Neeld off-season 2013-14 to work on the list and another pre-season to sell his message. With any luck he might be Melbourne's Mark Harvey.

And for the record I think the board made the wrong call today and I'm amazed Neeld has got this far.
 

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