Oppo Camp The non North football discussion thread II

[LuvtheKangas]

Please find me a single quote where I mention there are zero racial undertones to the booing? I'll save you the trouble, there are none.

Yes, some idiots are racist, what I'm talking about is how incredibly absurd and ridiculous it is to claim that anyone who boos is a racist, its just a fallacy. And no, I don't boo.

Don't try and take the moral high ground and guilt trip me with calling me flippant toward the issue.

I've said I have sympathy for the bloke, but what I don't have sympathy for is his refusal to acknowledge that his actions on the sports field are partially responsible for the boos, for him its all about race it seems.

My view, too, well put.

Absolute bollocks. It hit a peak around the North game. Everyone said if the media stopped the boong would stop. The media stopped and the booing continued. It didn't start because he stirred up they rowdy at a game. It started because he stirred up the broader crowd who hates any suggestion Australia is not a perfect utopia of race relations.

Some people are making it about booing. Don't get sidetracked. Is is about bullying a guy based on him not fitting a stereotype everyone is comfortable with - skilled sportsman, grateful for us letting him play and never going to say a word about indigenous people without the privileges he now enjoys (or, if he was white, we'd say he has earned). If only they acted like white people, amirite?

And it's politically correct to give a rats. Of course it is.

I've always liked and respected you as a poster H2h, and this is not personal, but I think the bolded bit is absolute rubbish. Your posting on this thread indicates you are too emotionally invested to the idea that booing Adam Goodes can only be racism. You and others are unwilling to accept the word of the approximately 1/3 of posters on this thread that they dislike Goodes on a basis other than colour ("if only he acted like a white person, amirite? F*** NO, you are not right!). I give my reasons for not liking him, I accept that others don't see it the same way, but there is a strong undertone of "you are hiding your racism behind something else" in everyone who wants to put forth the opposing view. It must be insulting to guys like niko11, a Greek, and half-Asian LCynic when people don't accept their word that their reasons for not liking him are not based on race. For them and me, the dislike is not racially based. The discussion hits a brick wall when that is not accepted.

You have stated that you are "depressed" by what you are convinced is the ongoing racism of your fellow white Australians. Geez, how many people have trotted out the tired old "embarrassed to be Australian" line? It's just condescending. I'll leave you to work out why.

Glad you see booing as a separate issue. Most of us are on the same page that the booing has to stop.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Hey, Indigenous Australians. We will tell you how to interpret racism and when and how to be offended. You're welcome.

F*** me dead.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Hey, Indigenous Australians. We will tell you how to interpret racism and when and how to be offended. You're welcome.

Hey, Indigenous Australian who is currently being booed. Perhaps the fact that 70 other indigenous Australian players out there are not being booed suggests the booing is more than just about you being aboriginal. You're welcome.

 

[SMaturin]

Hey, Indigenous Australian who is currently being booed. Perhaps the fact that 70 other indigenous Australian players out there are not being booed suggests the booing is more than just about you being aboriginal. You're welcome.

There's a thesis in there somewhere.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

My view, too, well put.



I've always liked and respected you as a poster H2h, and this is not personal, but I think the bolded bit is absolute rubbish. Your posting on this thread indicates you are too emotionally invested to the idea that booing Adam Goodes can only be racism. You and others are unwilling to accept the word of the approximately 1/3 of posters on this thread that they dislike Goodes on a basis other than colour ("if only he acted like a white person, amirite? F*** NO, you are not right!). I give my reasons for not liking him, I accept that others don't see it the same way, but there is a strong undertone of "you are hiding your racism behind something else" in everyone who wants to put forth the opposing view. It must be insulting to guys like niko11, a Greek, and half-Asian LCynic when people don't accept their word that their reasons for not liking him are not based on race. For them and me, the dislike is not racially based. The discussion hits a brick wall when that is not accepted.

You have stated that you are "depressed" by what you are convinced is the ongoing racism of your fellow white Australians. Geez, how many people have trotted out the tired old "embarrassed to be Australian" line? It's just condescending. I'll leave you to work out why.

Glad you see booing as a separate issue. Most of us are on the same page that the booing has to stop.

Sigh. I didn't say all the booing was racist. AndI don't think everyone booing is hiding their racism. I think it is extremely unfortunate they decide that their many reasons for booing him are so important that they are happy to give racists cover and validation - which no-one, surely, can fail to see has been happening. Why not just stop for one game, or two games, while this blows over? But they couldn't. The fun of being part of a big crowd, the need to show they can't be told what to do, was too important.

If any of our kids was acting like this in the playground, we'd make them stop. If anyone treated someone like this in our workplace or our weekend teams, we'd make sure they pulled their heads in. But at the footy, over a guy we barely see and who is no better or worse at the apparent underlying reasons than hundreds of others, it's more than ok. I don't get it. And I hear the casual and not so casual racism at the football, on the radio, on the comments pages and on here, and see how it's being encouraged, and yes, it saddens and disappoints me.

 

[SMaturin]

It's doing my head in a bit. I don't want to go much further or have a go at anyone here, because I'm sure we're all decent people. It's a bit like being in a footy crowd, we're all safe behind our keyboards.

 

[Higgins2Waite]

It's doing my head in a bit. I don't want to go much further or have a go at anyone here, because I'm sure we're all decent people. It's a bit like being in a footy crowd, we're all safe behind our keyboards.

A response that isn't needed. No one is over-stepping their mark in here or getting carried away. I'd like to think we are all adults and have the capacity to talk about topical issues.

If your emotions are getting in the way of a discussion don't post - it's really as simple as that.

 

[Greater Gattsby]

It's doing my head in a bit. I don't want to go much further or have a go at anyone here, because I'm sure we're all decent people. It's a bit like being in a footy crowd, we're all safe behind our keyboards.

Nobody is safe at the Nixon pre game

 

[trooroo4life]

My view, too, well put.



I've always liked and respected you as a poster H2h, and this is not personal, but I think the bolded bit is absolute rubbish. Your posting on this thread indicates you are too emotionally invested to the idea that booing Adam Goodes can only be racism. You and others are unwilling to accept the word of the approximately 1/3 of posters on this thread that they dislike Goodes on a basis other than colour ("if only he acted like a white person, amirite? F*** NO, you are not right!). I give my reasons for not liking him, I accept that others don't see it the same way, but there is a strong undertone of "you are hiding your racism behind something else" in everyone who wants to put forth the opposing view. It must be insulting to guys like niko11, a Greek, and half-Asian LCynic when people don't accept their word that their reasons for not liking him are not based on race. For them and me, the dislike is not racially based. The discussion hits a brick wall when that is not accepted.

You have stated that you are "depressed" by what you are convinced is the ongoing racism of your fellow white Australians. Geez, how many people have trotted out the tired old "embarrassed to be Australian" line? It's just condescending. I'll leave you to work out why.

Glad you see booing as a separate issue. Most of us are on the same page that the booing has to stop.

Great post.

 

[SMaturin]

A response that isn't needed. No one is over-stepping their mark in here or getting carried away. I'd like to think we are all adults and have the capacity to talk about topical issues.

If your emotions are getting in the way of a discussion don't post - it's really as simple as that.

You've misinterpreted me - it was poorly worded, I'll cop that. I agree that no one has stepped the mark, only that I don't find this a particularly productive place for meaningful discussion. Great place for people to exchange opinions though, but in my experience it generally ends up with something akin to trench warfare. Probs why I'm more a lurker than a poster.

Anyway, no dramas.

 

[Only Forwards]

F*** me dead.

To be fair I am pretty sure I wouldn't f*** you living.

 

[Only Forwards]

Nobody is safe at the Nixon pre game

Not even the trees.

 

[SMaturin]

Hey, Indigenous Australian who is currently being booed. Perhaps the fact that 70 other indigenous Australian players out there are not being booed suggests the booing is more than just about you being aboriginal. You're welcome.

I think you just proved my point.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I think you just proved my point.

And you mine, by seeing only what you want to see.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

To be fair I am pretty sure I wouldn't f*** you living.

Story of my life.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Sigh. I didn't say all the booing was racist. AndI don't think everyone booing is hiding their racism. I think it is extremely unfortunate they decide that their many reasons for booing him are so important that they are happy to give racists cover and validation - which no-one, surely, can fail to see has been happening. Why not just stop for one game, or two games, while this blows over? But they couldn't. The fun of being part of a big crowd, the need to show they can't be told what to do, was too important.

If any of our kids was acting like this in the playground, we'd make them stop. If anyone treated someone like this in our workplace or our weekend teams, we'd make sure they pulled their heads in. But at the footy, over a guy we barely see and who is no better or worse at the apparent underlying reasons than hundreds of others, it's more than ok. I don't get it. And I hear the casual and not so casual racism at the football, on the radio, on the comments pages and on here, and see how it's being encouraged, and yes, it saddens and disappoints me.

So now it is about the booing? Umm, ok.

Goalposts moving, and I've said enough anyway. I'm out.

 

[Gasometer]

Or because it's bringing up memories of the not too distant past where it was ok to be openly racist against them at the footy. It really wasn't that long ago. Probably still a lot of people in the crowd that were around in those days.

I was around and saw Jim K solve it his way.

 

[jess_1804]

And now the dogs have decided to wear their indigenous jumpers this weekend in a show of support for Goodes. Talk about getting caught up in the media circus!

It's gone on way too far, to the point where I'm now just plain angry. Not angry at Goodes, but the way this whole saga has been dealt with. Do the AFL really have to live stream a Sydney press conference? Do the Dogs and Tigers really have to wear their indigenous jumpers? Do we really have to be bombarded with morning talk show hosts who have NFI weighing in on the debate every day? They're making the general public angry and outspoken, inciting argument after argument on social media. If they're so concerned about Goodes' welfare they'd leave this whole drama alone and let it play it's course.

 

[Zondor]

Now look. If everybody wore Gimp Masks this would be a non issue. :stern look

 

[Gasometer]

Well let's get to the elephant in the room.

Who booed when we played them?

From where Orange Peanut and I sat that night there was a lot of booing for him.

Who did it on here and why?

 

[TooUglyForFugly]

I never post during matches anyway.

 

[Greater Gattsby]

Well let's get to the elephant in the room.

Who booed when we played them?

From where Orange Peanut and I sat that night there was a lot of booing for him.

Who did it on here and why?

I wasn't in attendance at the game unfortunately, but this would have led me to boo him.

• When Andrew Swallow was pinged for holding the ball when Goodes elected tackled him in a position likened to a piledriver.
• This could have put Spitter in a dangerous position, however, the umpire paid holding the ball.
• Under the new rule, it is a correct decision by the umpire, however the new rule is a blight on the game. There is now no care shown by the tackler, and just about any approach to a tackle is fair game.
• At this stage I would've boo'd the umpire and specifically the decision paying holding the ball.
• However, with Spitter's legs between his knees (very brave position to put someone in for a player of Goodes' credibility) he looks around for the umpire in an attempt for holding the ball. When Adam sees the umpire awarding him the free kick he arrogantly begins grinning, then rubs Spitter on the head and pushes him away.
• Horrendous decision complimented by horrendous sportsmanship.

If Adam Goodes wants respect off the field, perhaps he should practice what he preaches on the field.

Show some respect to another club's captain.

I would've boo'd him for being a smug ****wit.

Surely I cannot be labelled as a racist?

Although I've seen stranger things happen over the last few years...

 

[Donkey Chop]

Well let's get to the elephant in the room.

Who booed when we played them?

From where Orange Peanut and I sat that night there was a lot of booing for him.

Who did it on here and why?

Me and my cousin clapped him

 

[Only Forwards]

When Andrew Swallow was pinged for holding the ball when Goodes elected tackled him in a position likened to a piledriver.

At the ground, I didn't boo Goodes, I wanted to boo the umpires.

on reflection it is the rules of the game committee that caused that with their reactionary bullshit.

 

[Groucho]

Well let's get to the elephant in the room.

Who booed when we played them?

From where Orange Peanut and I sat that night there was a lot of booing for him.

Who did it on here and why?

I was on the third level,North cheer squad end and pleased to say there was very little if any boos in my vicinity,I certainly didn't! Could hear a fair bit coming from the North members area on the wing. My feelings were best summed up by the guy in front of me,a roos man with a couple of kids about 7 or 8, one of them asked him why are they booing,his reply? "Because they're idiots".