Oppo Camp The Non-North Footy Discussion & Matchday Chat Thread (NNFD&MCT) VIII

[Kangapirate]

The Hawks led by Sicily at least have a presense down back, took a heap of intercept marks. Meanwhile we struggle to even spoil a ball over for a point.

 

[Only Forwards]

Jy comes out with bold statements either before the season starts about how he is sick of losing and even this week stating they learnt their lesson on Good Friday and will give it a red hot crack.
But this is how confidence nose dives because our leaders cant back up their statements.
It then runs through the rest of the team like a virus.

The reality is our leaders are not good enough to turn the fortunes of the club around. Were in essence treading water until the talented crop come through. But that could take years.

So if the senior core can't lift the standard - what is the solution? Because Sheezel has played 26 games, Wardlaw 10 and Kerch and Duursma 4 each.

Pain and time and not riding every loss like it is the end of the world.

For a long time I never got how the Richmond board could have ECO threads. I get it now.

The wayout is gonna take a long time because we are not going to attract real outside talent and we're still paying for list management errors.

We're building our way out. The hard way. The long way.

Its why games that aren't over before they start we need. It's completely about the kids now. And yeah theres rough times with only glimpses coming.

There's going to come a point where we have to tip out a bunch of our "leaders" and just run with kids.

Sheezel is up for it. It's what the contract was about. He'll lead the others

 

[gustaaf]

I hope the selectors start to show a ruthless streak. An "over my dead body" mentality is as important as ability to survive in the AFL. We have too many fair weather players who aren't up to AFL requirements. It doesn't matter how much money they are on, if the mentality is wrong send them to the VFL to get that sorted out. Reward effort and players who are prepared to run themselves into the ground, as well as players who demonstrate they actually have ability. If that means you expose young or inexperienced to the AFL before you otherwise might have done, so be it. We may as well get games into them to prepare them for the future. If the supporters are fed up with insipid efforts and a lack of ability, surely so must Clarko and his team be. They aren't in the diplomatic corps and are on the big bucks to make the tough decisions in the best interest of the club. If the players can't accept that, we don't want them anyway. At a minimum there shouldn't be a place for LMac, Sleevo, Stephens, Corr and Tucker in our team because they constantly fall well short of what is required. We can't possibly carry that many liabilities and think that we can get away with it. I was optimistic that we would at least be competitive before the season started and I've been shocked by the horror show that I have witnessed.

 

[Devington]

From now on unless it was a game with some real positives, i'm just gonna take a day or two off of bigfooty after a loss. Most of the losses themselves don't phase me, but some of the commentary on here does. I'm pretty onboard with being ECO. Let the bad times wash over me, try not to let myself get triggered by things, and just patiently wait for the wheel to turn. My only doubt about the wheel turning with Clarko at the helm is the player's mentalities, and the weakness of our leaders. If he can address that somehow then I think it's just a matter of time until we're contending again, however I'm close to joining the crew that believes Clarko's tenure will culminate in the turn around rather than actually contending, with that being under Clarkson's second contract or a new coach.

Just too much bullshit too early on, and it's hurt us. Last year's a half write off with all the Hawthorn Racism drama, and this year the onfield leadership has sunk to new depths with Corr turning into a useless angry prick, mcdonald being worse than usual, and Jy being relatively ineffective and moved out of the midfield (which is now suffering from a lack of cohesive planning between the midfield/ruck group.)

There are a lot of shining lights too, but it's a weight of numbers game against them.

 

[Ichiro #51]

That's the spirit, guys.

I especially like the 1-3 vs 0-3 whinge. As if those numbers mean anything.

Blatant like whoring. People are allowed to have a vent about our obviously shit organization. How about busy yourself with something constructive rather than hanging shit on posters who are clearly just trying deal with our dire incompetence.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Blatant like whoring. People are allowed to have a vent about our obviously s**t organization. How about busy yourself with something constructive rather than hanging s**t on posters who are clearly just trying deal with our dire incompetence.

You read me like a book. Likes are the drug that sustain me on this forum. I wish I wasn't so transparent.

 

[Devington]

You read me like a book. Likes are the drug that sustain me on this forum. I wish I wasn't so transparent.

There you go, have another shot of yum yum juice.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

There you go, have another shot of yum yum juice.

 

[Ichiro #51]

You read me like a book. Likes are the drug that sustain me on this forum. I wish I wasn't so transparent.

What was the point of your post? Rather than cherry picking a bunch of people in a gotcha moment, how about just say what you want to say? You reckon we’ve had a great weekend and will definitely clock up the wins against the sides who clearly put in a ****load more effort than we did?

 

[LuvtheKangas]

What was the point of your post? Rather than cherry picking a bunch of people in a gotcha moment, how about just say what you want to say? You reckon we’ve had a great weekend and will definitely clock up the wins against the sides who clearly put in a *load more effort than we did?

LOL, I see we've switched from the obnoxious aggressive post to using a straw man argument.

You seem salty. Would it help if I liked you posts?


I heartily agree with the earlier post that coming here after a loss is typically worse than the loss itself. This was the point of my earlier post, indirectly, i.e. I'm sick of the over the top pile-ons.

 

[Ichiro #51]

LOL, I see we've switched from the obnoxious aggressive post to using a straw man argument.

You seem salty. Would it help if I liked you posts?

So still nothing of substance. Weak.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

So still nothing of substance. Weak.

Says the straw man poster.

 

[Ichiro #51]

Hey pal, if you just answered with your sneaky edit I would have said fair enough.

 

[Sillygit]

Blatant like whoring. People are allowed to have a vent about our obviously s**t organization. How about busy yourself with something constructive rather than hanging s**t on posters who are clearly just trying deal with our dire incompetence.

If you post on a forum, you're going to get replies.

If you dont like getting replies, dont post on a forum.

 

[Ichiro #51]

If you post on a forum, you're going to get replies.

If you dont like getting replies, dont post on a forum.

The poster mass quoted a bunch of people who essentially just expressed their worry and disappointment. How about address those posters directly instead of a LOL at posters who think we’re shit?

 

[Sillygit]

The poster mass quoted a bunch of people who essentially just expressed their worry and disappointment. How about address those posters directly instead of a LOL at posters who think we’re s**t?

Laughter is the best medicine? I dunno.

 

[Gasometer]

Well I went inside AO tonight and saw this




That kept me entertained up until Half Time as I watched Northawn bomb it consistently on top of their Forwards heads

I then ventured to the Bar at half time thinking it might dull this Bore Around only to be truly entertained by a gutsy comeback

I think it may have been Premature Collingfilth Chant starting early that sparked the Hawks in that second half

Now lessons observed for our upcoming win…

Stop Newcombe
Stop Hardwick
Stop Sicily rebounding

But yeh that second half has me feeling sick

 

[RobZombie]

Rob - you have two Taylors, two CCJ's, two Goaters and two Scotts. You are doing our collective heads in.

We want two Sheezels, two Wardlaws, Three Larkeys and keep the two Combens.

Haha I was trying to account for multi position players to get a realistic idea of our potential depth per position. I was intending to drop it into the list management thread, because I find it a helpful way to visualise list balance and needs.

What got my back up a bit was “massive cleanout of senior players who don’t care enough” and I’m like sure, ok, who? Shiels and Greenwood have their spots on the list for a reason. You can accuse LMac of many things, but not of not caring. I’d happily drop Tucker but that’s because he’s no good, not because he doesn’t try.

 

[Samsquanch]

Haha I was trying to account for multi position players to get a realistic idea of our potential depth per position. I was intending to drop it into the list management thread, because I find it a helpful way to visualise list balance and needs.

What got my back up a bit was “massive cleanout of senior players who don’t care enough” and I’m like sure, ok, who? Shiels and Greenwood have their spots on the list for a reason. You can accuse LMac of many things, but not of not caring. I’d happily drop Tucker but that’s because he’s no good, not because he doesn’t try.

I understand. The massive clean out brigade have to understand that we are at least two more seasons away from having an experienced and match hardened, mature group no matter which way the club tries to go with fixing up the list.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Well I went inside AO tonight and saw this


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That kept me entertained up until Half Time as I watched Northawn bomb it consistently on top of their Forwards heads

I then ventured to the Bar at half time thinking it might dull this Bore Around only to be truly entertained by a gutsy comeback

I think it may have been Premature Collingfilth Chant starting early that sparked the Hawks in that second half

Now lessons observed for our upcoming win…

Stop Newcombe
Stop Hardwick
Stop Sicily rebounding

But yeh that second half has me feeling sick

I remember when the chant was a special thing for when the team got on top of Geelong or another noteworthy opponent - then of course they completely devalued it. Outscoring a bottom four team when you are coming off a flag is not something to be triumphant about.

Agree on the lessons, although it wasn’t just Newcombe, Hawks were thrashing the Pies in the midfield in the last quarter especially.

 

[Disco Dew]

There you go, have another shot of yum yum juice.

More yum yum juice for me please.

 

[Disco Dew]

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More yum yum juice for me please.

 

[tazaa]

Pain and time and not riding every loss like it is the end of the world.

For a long time I never got how the Richmond board could have ECO threads. I get it now.

The wayout is gonna take a long time because we are not going to attract real outside talent and we're still paying for list management errors.

We're building our way out. The hard way. The long way.

Its why games that aren't over before they start we need. It's completely about the kids now. And yeah theres rough times with only glimpses coming.

There's going to come a point where we have to tip out a bunch of our "leaders" and just run with kids.

Sheezel is up for it. It's what the contract was about. He'll lead the others

Totally agree.
I have 2 issues.

1) Our ladder finishes aren't sustainable. I don' think there is an established side in the past 35 years, who has finished bottom 2 five years running. Carlton, Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda have been poor but not for this long. Yes they had failed rebuilds and false dawns but there was an uplift. There was some progress before regression. North has yet to show anything. I genuinely believe if we cant get out of the bottom 2 this year then senior players will walk and we will solidify ourselves even further. Coming back to the senior players, if they don't have the hunger and the will to sacrifice themselves, even to their own detriment for the sake of the footy club, if we don't see that kind of commitment then nothing will change.

2) Rawlings. Nothing can change my mind that he is out of his depth and no good.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

It's like as a kid when you mumble something under your breath and your mum absolutely belts you because she thinks it was about her.
God forbid players show any kind of frustration at anything during a game.

 

[Billy Not Really]

I, for one. Celebrate this.

Because footy is so goddamn boring now, where a flog running around getting pushed by players is better to watch than any given game of the week.