The Otherworldly Circus - The America Thread

[Mutt]

Play the ball and not the man/women here folks. Thank you.

 

[Next Waiting]

Jesus Harold!
Have you ever actually read any of my posts?
I'm not for Trump. I'm just trying to highlight how broken the system is. Nothing more, nothing less.

I agree with you here. It is a shit system.

Clinton was an arse of an individual. A calculatedly manufactured personality and image that appealed to the Yanks willingness to suspend judgement and lap up the bs.

Trump is worse.

Ultimately the wealth based system that promotes their candidcay and then finally the electorate are at fault for enabling and then electing these pricks....regardless of hue.

A meritocracy it is not.

 

[BrisDog]

Clinton Whataboutism

This is f***ing hilarious

Yeah, Clinton grabbed p**sies too in the late 80’s and 90’s. Shame on him. What a campaigner.

He has not paid off 28 women though. About half as many.

Clinton was/is a campaigner - a brilliant one. He was a great speaker and leader - from the south.

Trump is just a fat campaigner with a psychological disorder.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Given he was president nearly a qtr of a century ago. Bill Clintons inability to keep his penis in his pants is about as relevant as Thomas Jefferson having multiple children with Sally Hemmings who he owned last the time to this thread. If either of these guys were President or in the running to become one then I'd understand the weird tangent that that a discussion that is supposed to be based around current events and political personalities has taken.

With the probable exception of Washington and Lincoln, historically I doubt that you'd find many senior US presidents that didn't have a mistress or engage in various affairs. They're positively French in that regard.

Like rank hypocrisy. Its the privilege of men in power.

None of which absolves Donald Trump from the fact that he is an adjudged rapist. One who is about to begin his second term is office.

We live in the dumbest timeline imaginable.

 

[yebach]

Given he was president nearly a qtr of a century ago. Bill Clintons inability to keep his penis in his pants is about as relevant as Thomas Jefferson having multiple children with Sally Hemmings who he owned last the time to this thread. If either of these guys were President or in the running to become one then I'd understand the weird tangent that that a discussion that is supposed to be based around current events and political personalities has taken.

With the probable exception of Washington and Lincoln, historically I doubt that you'd find many senior US presidents that didn't have a mistress or engage in various affairs. They're positively French in that regard.

Like rank hypocrisy. Its the privilege of men in power.

None of which absolves Donald Trump from the fact that he is an adjudged rapist. One who is about to begin his second term is office.

We live in the dumbest timeline imaginable.

Hi Norm,

The original post wasn't meant to compare apples with apples. Lets keep Trump out of this completely.

My question was why nobody then wasn't outraged with Bill's behaviour?

Another thing I don't get. (There a a few, I know)
Lots of people seem to be outraged with what's happening in Israel/Palestine right now. Again, I'm confused as to why it's an issue for them now, as it's been going on for the better part of 70 years and nobody seemed to care too much.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Hi Norm,

The original post wasn't meant to compare apples with apples. Lets keep Trump out of this completely.

My question was why nobody then wasn't outraged with Bill's behaviour?

But there were. Especially on the right.

He was impeached over his behaviour. Once that proceeding failed people shrugged and got on with their lives.

History may not repeat but it often rhymes.

Another thing I don't get. (There a a few, I know)
Lots of people seem to be outraged with what's happening in Israel/Palestine right now. Again, I'm confused as to why it's an issue for them now, as it's been going on for the better part of 70 years and nobody seemed to care too much.

Because although Isreal's treatment of Palestine has historically been oppressively abhorrent. Isreal has traditionally been cast as a friend of the west and a bulwark of stability in a sea of people with diametrically opposing views in an area of vital strategic and economic importance to the west. So western governments and corporations have and continue to look the other way. Lest the Isreal lobby paint them anti-semitic.

However, what we're seeing had never quite reached the levels of expansionist mask off genocide that we see today.

Even though peoples attention spans are now shorter than an Essendon fans finals hopes. Like happenings in Ukraine, we are no longer lead by the nose to the story by news outlets with their curated agendas and get to see events unfold in real time by people on the ground who bare the brunt of these atrocities. People can choose to continue to look the other way, but its increasingly hard to do so in todays social media environment.

Social media is a pox on society, but sometimes it can be a useful tool at exposing how the machine works.

 

[King Harold]

Given he was president nearly a qtr of a century ago. Bill Clintons inability to keep his penis in his pants is about as relevant as Thomas Jefferson having multiple children with Sally Hemmings who he owned last the time to this thread. If either of these guys were President or in the running to become one then I'd understand the weird tangent that that a discussion that is supposed to be based around current events and political personalities has taken.

With the probable exception of Washington and Lincoln, historically I doubt that you'd find many senior US presidents that didn't have a mistress or engage in various affairs. They're positively French in that regard.

Like rank hypocrisy. Its the privilege of men in power.

None of which absolves Donald Trump from the fact that he is an adjudged rapist. One who is about to begin his second term is office.

We live in the dumbest timeline imaginable.

Let’s forget about sexual assaults and rape for a moment.
Can anyone think of a previous President that has run fake charities or ripped of students with fake universities ?

But there were. Especially on the right.

He was impeached over his behaviour. Once that proceeding failed people shrugged and got on with their lives.

History may not repeat but it often rhymes.



Because although Isreal's treatment of Palestine has historically been oppressively abhorrent. Isreal has traditionally been cast as a friend of the west and a bulwark of stability in a sea of people with diametrically opposing views in an area of vital strategic and economic importance to the west. So western governments and corporations have and continue to look the other way. Lest the Isreal lobby paint them anti-semitic.

However, what we're seeing had never quite reached the levels of expansionist mask off genocide that we see today.

Even though peoples attention spans are now shorter than an Essendon fans finals hopes. Like happenings in Ukraine, we are no longer lead by the nose to the story by news outlets with their curated agendas and get to see events unfold in real time by people on the ground who bare the brunt of these atrocities. People can choose to continue to look the other way, but its increasingly hard to do so in todays social media environment.

Social media is a pox on society, but sometimes it can be a useful tool at exposing how the machine works.

Excellent answer and explanation.

 

[4Seasons]

The victory lap for the criminal rapist fans still in full swing fos
No one I’ve seen on here has denied Trump won the election.

It's over.
Get help.

 

[ManOfClay]

Anyone find it convenient trump and musk were having a bit of difficulty over their flip flopping on h1b visas, then one of musk’s trucks blows up in front of trump’s hotel?

“Quick, we need people to feel sorry for us again and we’ve already played the assassination card”

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Anyone find it convenient trump and musk were having a bit of difficulty over their flip flopping on h1b visas, then one of musk’s trucks blows up in front of trump’s hotel?

“Quick, we need people to feel sorry for us again and we’ve already played the assassination card”

Other than Trumps usual fish like flip floppery on the likes of H1B visits, TikTok and countless other examples, not really.

Beyond the deliberate attention grabbing symbolism attached to the cyber truck fireworks show in front of a Trump hotel. At this point in time, this and the Bourbon st. massacre seem to have been perpetrated by two native born American veterans who served in Afghanistan who were radicalised within their respective information silos. One by the radical right and one with radical Islam.

Not as the right so readily jumped to when they (of course) immediately came to the conclusion that the Bourbon St. massacre was carried out by an illegal immigrant. And that it was all because of Joe Bidens open border policies.

Anybody interested in seeing where the United States is headed really should read Matthew Livelsberger's short manifesto. Which as far as Im aware is still being treated as credible and genuine.

It's a fascinating mix of the probable, like US war crimes in Afghanistan (well...duh!) and what is clearly coming from the whackadoodle mind of somebody who has been mainlining the alt right conspiracy theories like a Tranq user on Kensington Avenue in Philly. Chinese submarines flying anti-gravity drones off the East Coast. Which dovetails neatly into the ridiculous drone hysteria of last week.

2025 and beyond will likely see a steep rise in acts of domestic terrorism as the PTSD chickens of 35 years of horrendous foreign policy and a constant stream of anti-government political rhetoric continue to come home to roost. One only needs to go to any US focused reddit, YouTube or similar veterans pages to see the level of seething resentment that has been built up in communities radicalised by the likes of Trump railing against the very systems they swore an oath to uphold, to understand what is likely to come. In case anybody needed reminding the largest act of domestic terrorism on US soil was carried out by two white, native born, Gulf War veterans against a government building in Oklahoma City by Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

But sure, the real problem is Chinese sleeper cells slipping over the border, Guatemalan gangs or Haitians eating the Cats and Doges, buying Greenland, annexing Canada whatever look over there nonsense Trump dangles out to a media ecosystem that falls for like the compliant suckers they are as a distraction from his actual agenda. The revisionist, radical reshaping of their society and institutions that has been the wet dream that the American Right has been working towards for decades.

The place is beyond ****ing cooked.

Anyways...It's only 15 days until the end of the war in Ukraine. So there's that.