The Otherworldly Circus - The America Thread

[King Harold]

I agree that the Allies should have kept rolling into the Soviet Union and dealt with them in 1945.

Many on the allies side actually recommended it and considered them the real enemy.

Would have set communism (which is the opposite side of the same coin to fascism imo) back a very very long time.

Instead we had them weave a trail of death and destruction through just about every continent on earth for the next 50 years.

Also , Russia invaded the Northern parts of Poland as war broke out.
The Poles at first thought they were there to help fight the Germans, they were in for a shock !

Trump has almost no grasp on history, but I guess he is largely preaching to the uneducated who seem to hang on his
every word.

 

[yebach]

I agree that the Allies should have kept rolling into the Soviet Union and dealt with them in 1945.

Many on the allies side actually recommended it and considered them the real enemy.

Would have set communism (which is the opposite side of the same coin to fascism imo) back a very very long time.

Instead we had them weave a trail of death and destruction through just about every continent on earth for the next 50 years.

As opposed to the U.S. who haven't invaded or killed anyone?

 

[yebach]

Also , Russia invaded the Northern parts of Poland as war broke out.
The Poles at first thought they were there to help fight the Germans, they were in for a shock !

Trump has almost no grasp on history, but I guess he is largely preaching to the uneducated who seem to hang on his
every word.

Brown Brothers Harriman funded Hitler's party before the war.

They probably wouldn't have been a major party without their money.

They wanted Hitler to go head to head with the Bolsheviks.

America never actually declared war on Germany.

Prescott Bush( George Snr's grandfather) worked for Brown Brothers Harriman.

There's History, and then there's History.

 

[King Harold]

Brown Brothers Harriman funded Hitler's party before the war.

They probably wouldn't have been a major party without their money.

They wanted Hitler to go head to head with the Bolsheviks.

America never actually declared war on Germany.

Prescott Bush( George Snr's grandfather) worked for Brown Brothers Harriman.

There's History, and then there's History.

I assume your point is the Americans are as bad or maybe even worse ?
Not sure what any of this has to do with the original point, but I’m happy to share histories with you.
I can guarantee you this , both you and me have a better grasp on history than the “leader of the free world “

As imperfect as the western world is, put me firmly in their camp.

 

[King Harold]

Brown Brothers Harriman funded Hitler's party before the war.

They probably wouldn't have been a major party without their money.

They wanted Hitler to go head to head with the Bolsheviks.

America never actually declared war on Germany.

Prescott Bush( George Snr's grandfather) worked for Brown Brothers Harriman.

There's History, and then there's History.

This is what you are alluding too ?
Industrialist and global financial institutions for the most part have tunnel vision, that is, what’s good for the company.
The rest of the country are just going about the business of surviving.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president.

www.theguardian.com

 

[dogwatch]

Brown Brothers Harriman funded Hitler's party before the war.

They probably wouldn't have been a major party without their money.

They wanted Hitler to go head to head with the Bolsheviks.

America never actually declared war on Germany.

Prescott Bush( George Snr's grandfather) worked for Brown Brothers Harriman.

There's History, and then there's History.

Right that does it. I’m never buying another bottle of Brown Brothers again.

 

[ManOfClay]

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Trump shifted his inauguration indoors!
Orange man bad.
You seemed obsessed with Trump, enough Trump talk, please give some insight on who you would like to be president.
I love your response about the globalists, well done, keep it up.

Im not obsessed.

Some like talking about horses and whatnot in that thread.

I like talking about US politics in this one.

What I am is equal parts repulsed and fascinated that an obvious conman and buffoon has managed to build a cult like devotion amongst a large swath of the populace and bullshit his way into the presidency not once but twice. That he managed to incite an insurrection as well as commit numerous other crimes in between without it having any tangible effect is quite an incredible story and one that gives me a lot of joy pointing out the absurdity of it all to the people who've fallen into it.

Playing whack a moron is a fun game and a nice distraction from actual work.

As for who Id prefer. Given I have no skin in the game other than when I visit the US. Or when he inevitably turns his gaze towards extorting us. Id say Literally anyone who isn't a Trump like demagogue.

Republican. Democrat. I don't care because when it comes to US style politics and the effect that teh Supreme Courts Citizens United V FEC decision had. A decision that has allowed an individual to tip in $250 million+ has had then all I see is a system that is corrupt to its core. One that was bound to throw up a president as venal as Trump.

Its a country thats like a dog who vomits once, takes a good look at the result and then thinks that it'd make a grand meal.

Which seems fitting.

I agree that the Allies should have kept rolling into the Soviet Union and dealt with them in 1945.

Many on the allies side actually recommended it and considered them the real enemy.

That sounds easy enough. Until you consider the wider context of events.

By 1945 the Allies were exhausted. You have to remember that Britain was dead broke after it had been in the fight for 7 long years the first 4 of those it and its dominions carried the bulk of the fight to Germany across two continents alone. It's why although the Allies could've reached Berlin first they halted at the Elbe and left the final bloody decapitation of the 3rd Reich in Berlin to the Soviets. By this time they were also beginning to turn their attention towards what was shaping up as a very costly invasion of Japan and the transfer of troops between the two conflict zones.

By that stage the only advantage that the allies had in Europe was at sea, with strategic bombing of Russia and the then unknown threat of the atomic bomb. Something that Stalin knew all about. On the ground the Russians had a numeric advantage and had shown and continues to show a willingness to take huge levels of casualties to achieve their tactical and strategic goals.

Something that the Allies were just not willing to do as they wanted to get the war in this theatre off war over with. It made more sense for all sides to take a breath, allow a division of Europe (sorry Europe) rebuild and plan for WWIII.

Its not out off the realms of possibility that if in an alternate universes the Allies and the Soviets immediately went to war something that was a Nazi wet dream in its dying days. Then they would've been about to take Europe in its entirety.

Would have set communism (which is the opposite side of the same coin to fascism imo) back a very very long time.

Only if they continued the war and somehow defeated the Soviets. And unless they planned on using the few Nukes that they had inside of Europe itself then it wasn't very likely.

Instead we had them weave a trail of death and destruction through just about every continent on earth for the next 50 years.

Neither post war super power has covered themselves in glory in this regard.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

This guys delusions, distractions and lies are so transparently stupid that I actually pity those of you that believe him.

Right now the US is in the process of spending $1.7 Trillion on modernising its Nuclear arsenal.

In other news: This dove of peace has recommenced the delivery 2000 lb JDAM to Israel.