The PSD 'Threat'

[DangerSloane]

Refusing to play and being unfit to play are completely different things.

Each party to a contract has obligations. If one doesn't comply then the other doesn't have to.

Yes but being unhappy at a workplace can lead to depression or other mental illness.
It is much more likely to occur in this case, and there is no real way to refute a claim by a player that they are unhappy and need time away from the game.

You think Adam Goodes wasnt being paid the couple of weeks he had off?

Btw I am by no means making light or diminishing mental illness.

 

[Tas]

You can't send players into the PSD any longer, contracts now terminate before the draft, can no longer hold off list logdgement to force a player into the PSD, an uncontracted player can nominate for the ND or PSD, or both.

 

[DangerSloane]

Jade Rawlings.
/thread

Geeze for a bloke that didnt want to be there, kicking 7 in his first game would be a massive surprise.

 

[Rob]

Yes but being unhappy at a workplace can lead to depression or other mental illness.
It is much more likely to occur in this case, and there is no real way to refute a claim by a player that they are unhappy and need time away from the game.

You think Adam Goodes wasnt being paid the couple of weeks he had off?

Btw I am by no means making light or diminishing mental illness.

Goodes wouldn't have breached his contract.
If Dangerfield signed a contract and refused to show up to training, let alone play, he would not be paid.

 

[DangerSloane]

Goodes wouldn't have breached his contract.
If Dangerfield signed a contract and refused to show up to training, let alone play, he would not be paid.

Neither will Danger.
He will say the fact that theyve made him go somewhere he doesnt want to be has made him upset, and take leave from the club, fully paid.

In fact he doesnt even have to have a reason. He can say personal issues and leave and still get paid.

This is not about him specifically though, its more a league wide issue or probably more of a massive wives tale that the PSD is actually an option.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

I'm glad that I don't work for some of the people posting in this thread. Players are people, not a commodity to be owned.

Actually, they are a commodity in this game. Whilst, yes they are people, they are also an asset to a business which invests large sums of money to develop them to become a better asset. When they enter the draft they are essentially agreeing to the terms and conditions of industry. Whilst uncontracted players obviously have more say in where they go, at the end of the day unless they are Free agents, they are still seen to be assets of the current club, and like any asset, when getting rid of an asset you want to get the best value you possibly can.

Contracted players have even less say in where they go, due to the limitations of signing a contract which stipulates the length of service he must give to the club.

 

[Rob]

Neither will Danger.
He will say the fact that theyve made him go somewhere he doesnt want to be has made him upset, and take leave from the club, fully paid.

In fact he doesnt even have to have a reason. He can say personal issues and leave and still get paid.

Lol, rubbish. Unless he has consent from the club, going AWOL is a breach of contract. Goodes, Clark and Buddy all would have had that consent.

 

[Tigerland]

I wish people would stop with the:

"oh well if we cant get a trade we'll just send him to the PSD where Carlton will take him"

No.

Its never happened and it never will.

No club is going to pick a player that doesnt want to play for them.
Its pointless, and especially with a guy like Dangerfield, why would they pick a guy to pay him $900k to sit on the sidelines.

If a guy gets sent to the PSD he will still end up at his favoured destination.

Same with drafting as we learnt with Wingard who was a clear top 3 choice but GWS took a wide berth knowing he wasnt keen and would be 100% leaving at the end of his first contract.

That's not right.

So you're suggesting that if Dangerfield went into the PSD he'd get past Carlton, Melbourne, Brisbane, GC, St. Kilda, Essendon.

I seriously doubt that. They'd get their money back in extra memberships alone.

It's never happened because players/agents know that they'd get taken so they go to a different plan rather than the PSD.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Neither will Danger.
He will say the fact that theyve made him go somewhere he doesnt want to be has made him upset, and take leave from the club, fully paid.

In fact he doesnt even have to have a reason. He can say personal issues and leave and still get paid.

This is not about him specifically though, its more a league wide issue or probably more of a massive wives tale that the PSD is actually an option.

Its still an option, just a lot more difficult to negotiate. Pretty sure Luke Ball deliberately set his initial contract at ridiculous levels to which only Collingwood would match, however the last few years of his contract he was playing for something like $50k. It's possible.

 

[billy fragos]

Carlton would take him in a heart beat, they can pay him more than Geelong will as well.

Geelong wont be that stupid though, they will organise a trade

 

[billy fragos]

Danger wants to go to Geelong but he won't move heaven and earth to get there.

His family live in mogs creek, 1 hour away from Geelong and 1.5 hours away from Melbourne. Big deal, an extra 100K+ from a club like Carlton/Melbourne/Essendon/St kilda would easily compensate that.

 

[ryan_7911]

Neither will Danger.
He will say the fact that theyve made him go somewhere he doesnt want to be has made him upset, and take leave from the club, fully paid.

In fact he doesnt even have to have a reason. He can say personal issues and leave and still get paid.

This is not about him specifically though, its more a league wide issue or probably more of a massive wives tale that the PSD is actually an option.

OK.. And then what.? He would still be contracted for the remainder of the stipulated contract, are you suggesting he would sit out of AFL all together out of spite?

Say Carlton picked him up and he did choose to sit out the year, they would then trade him at the end of the year to pick up a first rounder or two for essentially nothing other than paying 1 year of the contract.

The PSD is a real threat, the reason it doesn't get used is because it makes no sense for anyone involved.

 

[footjulia]

last news

http://goo.gl/z8WdPj

 

[Blackas87]

why would a club not pick up Dangerfield in the pre season draft?

 

[Hird Is Scum]

You can't send players into the PSD any longer, contracts now terminate before the draft, can no longer hold off list logdgement to force a player into the PSD, an uncontracted player can nominate for the ND or PSD, or both.

You might want to read up on the rules, if a club matches an offer made to a restricted free agent one of three things happen - The player stays at their current club, the current club and the new club work out a trade, or the player goes to the psd. Further to that if a player hasn't yet qualified for free agency and his current club offer him a new contract, it's either accept it or the draft (or be traded of course). He only becomes a free agent if he is delisted.

 

[STFU Donnie]

Much missing of the point in this thread!

So much so that I had to reread the OP to see if there was some cryptic message I had missed. But no.

So, much missing of the point in this thread.

 

[Tas]

You might want to read up on the rules, if a club matches an offer made to a restricted free agent one of three things happen - The player stays at their current club, the current club and the new club work out a trade, or the player goes to the psd. Further to that if a player hasn't yet qualified for free agency and his current club offer him a new contract, it's either accept it or the draft (or be traded of course). He only becomes a free agent if he is delisted.

"3. A player has served eight or more seasons of AFL football at one club, is one of the 10 highest-paid players at his club, and is now out of contract for the first time since reaching eight seasons of service.

The player is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.

If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.

His club has the right to match the presented offer.

If the club matches the offer, he may choose to remain with his original club, seek a trade or enter the Draft.

If the club does not or can not match the offer, the player can move to the new club of his choice.

His original club will receive a compensation pick for the loss of the player, on an AFL-determined formula to apply where clubs lose more free agents than they gain in any single transfer period."

source: http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/season/free-agency

When you enter the draft you can chose, national, pre-season or both.

 

[The King!]

I wish people would stop with the:

"oh well if we cant get a trade we'll just send him to the PSD where Carlton will take him"

No.

Its never happened and it never will.

No club is going to pick a player that doesnt want to play for them.
Its pointless, and especially with a guy like Dangerfield, why would they pick a guy to pay him $900k to sit on the sidelines.

If a guy gets sent to the PSD he will still end up at his favoured destination.

Same with drafting as we learnt with Wingard who was a clear top 3 choice but GWS took a wide berth knowing he wasnt keen and would be 100% leaving at the end of his first contract.

What a wasted wish, you could have had millions of dollars, hot chicks, packet of tim tams that never runs out and you wish for a draft threat gone.


Im with others though heck em pick the player


Make it a minimum 2 year contract requirement for PSD players with refusal to sign a 4 year ban or something

 

[Niximus]

What a wasted wish, you could have had millions of dollars, hot chicks, packet of tim tams that never runs out and you wish for a draft threat gone.


Im with others though heck em pick the player


Make it a minimum 2 year contract requirement for PSD players with refusal to sign a 4 year ban or something

Already is (bolded).

 

[The King!]

Already is (bolded).

Job half done then, thats progress

 

[Balony_pony16]

This talk only exists with Danger because certain people think its alright that the cats "Could" try force Danger into the PSD if Crows match their bid and god forbid they need to trade for him. Any PSD threats should be treated as Draft/trade tampering for players and clubs. Especially if the cats don't make genuine trade attempts

 

[Hird Is Scum]

"3. A player has served eight or more seasons of AFL football at one club, is one of the 10 highest-paid players at his club, and is now out of contract for the first time since reaching eight seasons of service.

The player is eligible to field offers from all rival AFL clubs.

If he wishes to change clubs, the player must decide on the best offer of his choice from one rival club.

His club has the right to match the presented offer.

If the club matches the offer, he may choose to remain with his original club, seek a trade or enter the Draft.

If the club does not or can not match the offer, the player can move to the new club of his choice.

His original club will receive a compensation pick for the loss of the player, on an AFL-determined formula to apply where clubs lose more free agents than they gain in any single transfer period."

source: http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/season/free-agency

When you enter the draft you can chose, national, pre-season or both.

Yeah sorry misread what you said as a club can't force a player into the draft, not specifically the pre season draft. End result is basically the same for the player regardless of which draft they nominate for though.

 

[the_interloper]

why would a club not pick up Dangerfield in the pre season draft?

Because we've got Cotchin?

 

[Sugar2Sideshow]

Essentially, danger field is trying to avoid the Chris Judd situation. While the Judd deal was, imo, fair. It left Carlton in no position to have a real crack at the flag.

The last thing he wants is for geelong to give up 2 first round picks and a player, go there, and then have zero success for the remainder of his career.

But, given that success is a factor, even worse for him would be having to go to Carlton, brisbane or melbourne. So that means that he needs a deal to get done, therefore Adelaide should match geelong offer and get decent deal back. Ie. 2 first round picks, or a first round pick and a decent player.

 

[Mningasimisonda]

I wish people would stop with the:

"oh well if we cant get a trade we'll just send him to the PSD where Carlton will take him"

No.

Its never happened and it never will.

No club is going to pick a player that doesnt want to play for them.
Its pointless, and especially with a guy like Dangerfield, why would they pick a guy to pay him $900k to sit on the sidelines.

If a guy gets sent to the PSD he will still end up at his favoured destination.

Same with drafting as we learnt with Wingard who was a clear top 3 choice but GWS took a wide berth knowing he wasnt keen and would be 100% leaving at the end of his first contract.

Slightly off topic, but what will you change your username to if he goes?