It’s pretty well documented but go off king
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Neither have I but I just go with the flow when you’re talking lmao
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The issue here is not about coming out. It’s about having the space to live your life in a way that allows you to be happy within yourself.
Male AFL footballers, like many other sportsmen from other codes and countries, feel the need to conceal their sexuality which can lead to a very toxic, unhealthy quality of life.
Why, though? There’s been a cacophony of voices in here to say you don’t give a rats. So why then aren’t they living freely?
Maybe some fans aren’t quite as accepting as they make out to be?
Do we really need all this hoopla about the poor entitled gays? Why can’t it just be normal business as usual?
Male AFL footballers, like many other sportsmen from other codes and countries, feel the need to conceal their sexuality which can lead to a very toxic, unhealthy quality of life.
Why, though? There’s been a cacophony of voices in here to say you don’t give a rats. So why then aren’t they living freely?
Maybe some fans aren’t quite as accepting as they make out to be?
Do we really need all this hoopla about the poor entitled gays? Why can’t it just be normal business as usual?
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Maybe you’re a sports reporter at The Age reporting on sports?
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Well said CF.
When I was at high school - and I went to a very good one, football wise, sporting wise and otherwise, there were a few guys who
played football, for a while but gave it away, they were outside types, receivers, fast and skilled players but slightly built and not "one
of the boys" types and basically got bullied out of the sport. Not saying they were gay but that was the vibe others put on them.
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Probably for the best, don’t sound like they had that dawg in em.
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There are plenty of these types running around today. Hill, Ginnoven, Dees guy with the headband on the wing, and so on, so things have changed
to some degree - there are more of these type of players than there was 30 years ago I reckon. I could be wrong, I've had a few.
I haven’t had any and hadn’t realised we were conflating skinny runners with homosexuals, but I agree wing is probably the gayest position
The gay thing being a battle is well and truly over in western countries, a significant percentage of young people are fluid in their sexuality and no one gives a rats, and despite some older homophobes still being around they’re by far the minority. Gay marriage happened and society didn’t fall apart. Plenty of representation in most cultural areas even if afl footy is a weird holdout.
Same as with climate change. The battle is over, the economics are clear on transition to renewables. Momentum will make it all happen without question over the next decade or so. Too much warming? Maybe but it is what it is so we need to focus on working out how to cope. Government policy at this point makes zero difference to the amount of warning.
It’s interesting on both of these to see the campaigners who based their entire identity on them - on both sides - and can’t see or acknowledge the huge progress. Seems like a lot of them would rather still have a battle to fight than have things be better.
Same as with climate change. The battle is over, the economics are clear on transition to renewables. Momentum will make it all happen without question over the next decade or so. Too much warming? Maybe but it is what it is so we need to focus on working out how to cope. Government policy at this point makes zero difference to the amount of warning.
It’s interesting on both of these to see the campaigners who based their entire identity on them - on both sides - and can’t see or acknowledge the huge progress. Seems like a lot of them would rather still have a battle to fight than have things be better.
Exactly my point. Talk to anyone who knows and they all tell you that the economics are super clear these days. Distributed renewables generation fixes the energy sector, minimal new fossil fuels generation is being commissioned. Transport is being fixed largely thanks to Elon and Tesla skipping electric cars forward 10-20 years, and so demand now being huge for electric vs petrol. Agriculture is seeing huge efficiency gains from more carbon-sensible methods.
Yes, it's going to take time for all of that to flow through but basically any action taken these days on policy in those areas will have minimal impact above and beyond the fundamental economic realities.
Again, that doesn't mean that we won't see more warming, but it does mean that limiting warming is no longer the game. Coping with the inevitable but capped warming is - probably 2.5 degrees eventually and that's something we'll be able to deal with (with a huge amount of pain and effort).
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Yeh so it’s fixed, no point lobbying, protesting or doing anything at all to try and improve it.
Acknowledge the progress and call it day. Same with homophobia, racism, women’s rights what else have we got?
We got progress so we’re done. That’s your point isn’t it?
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Yeah, my kids seem to have a lot less of an interest in people's preferences. It genuinely seems to be a lot less of an issue with that teen age group. Old boomers who want to go out and root blokes in toilets but can't due to their self imposed repression obsess with outing young men who just want to play footy.
Who gives a ****. I don't want to know who players are rooting or their politics. Just kick a footy well and I'm happy.
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Slow news week? They've realised no-one gives a **** about corruption and international financial predators and have worked out that sport is the only thing Aussies give a shit about maybe. Suggest their manly heroes are gay and you're in full Herald Sun territory. Burly in the water for the nuffies.
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Are these books really being printed though? It sounds like Rita Panahi fantasy stuff. I have nephews and nieces at primary school in Melbourne and they have to do zoom sex ed with the parents next to them because it's such a minefield. They learn more about shit from what they see on line and the playground than from anything they get from the schools.
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Yeah, same as aboriginal kids growing up being racially targeted. We know gay people who had a shit time at school because of the casual homophobic stuff. Back when I was young people would call stuff that they thought was cringe or shit "gay". That stuff had an impact on the people hearing it. It's exactly the same as the derogatory stuff towards any group. People used to call Greeks and Italians "wogs" and other minimising names. If it makes people feel shit you probably shouldn't do it. It's not much more controversial than that.
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