Discussion The Random Discussion Thread

[Dard Ball Get]

That's why I agree with SaintsSeptember - the AFL will fix this now. Ita Buttrose is on the case ffs.

She’s always spot on, is Ita

 

[phantom13]

To me it seems somewhat telling that in spite of the fact that statistically we know there are a number of gay players none feel comfortable enough to come out. Granted you can’t possibly say that’s ALL on the AFL but is the AFL doing as much as possible? Or even as much as they should?

Seems a fair question to me.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I think the league could do more in terms of education and awareness especially about casual homophobia at grass roots levels but all the way through.

Footy clubs are really important places for vulnerable young people, which would include young gay or queer men, if they don’t feel welcome they either don’t stay or stay in the closet.

Have any of the other sports done that?

 

[Dard Ball Get]

To me it seems somewhat telling that in spite of the fact that statistically we know there are a number of gay players none feel comfortable enough to come out. Granted you can’t possibly say that’s ALL on the AFL but is the AFL doing as much as possible? Or even as much as they should?

Seems a fair question to me.

Do we know if they want to? Maybe they find it as mundane a subject as the rest of us.

 

[phantom13]

Have any of the other sports done that?

Soccer Australia absolutely did, they had a pilot program that got a little bit of awareness.

I’m also not sure that “we’ll the others didn’t so why should we” is a great defence.

 

[Sun Ra]

She’s always spot on, is Ita

Maybe we should just wait for the show on Monday night. Be an interesting watch.

 

[phantom13]

Do we know if they want to? Maybe they find it as mundane a subject as the rest of us.

Maybe. Maybe that’s what the investigation will find.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Soccer Australia absolutely did, they had a pilot program that got a little bit of awareness.

I’m also not sure that “we’ll the others didn’t so why should we” is a great defence.

Not even trying to defend, genuinely don’t know.
Think it’s so overblown it’s not funny. Why focus on just one group? What about the others?

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Maybe we should just wait for the show on Monday night. Be an interesting watch.

Will await your summary x

 

[Sun Ra]

Do we know if they want to? Maybe they find it as mundane a subject as the rest of us.

Doubt if it's going to turn into a RuPaul type of thing mate.

 

[phantom13]

Not even trying to defend, genuinely don’t know.
Think it’s so overblown it’s not funny. Why focus on just one group? What about the others?

You’re welcome to advocate for other groups but “why can’t we do this for x” isn’t really a reason to do nothing for y.

 

[George]

Not even trying to defend, genuinely don’t know.
Think it’s so overblown it’s not funny. Why focus on just one group? What about the others?

One at a time, Mr Impatient. We need to know who everyone likes to sleep with, and then we can move onto the next topic. It's important to have our noses in everyone's business

 

[Dard Ball Get]

You’re welcome to advocate for other groups but “why can’t we do this for x” isn’t really a reason to do nothing for y.

Find it hilarious players salaries are kept confidential, because “privacy” but folks are desperate to know who they’re mating with. Extremely weird.

Anyway I’m out, not literally, just of the conversation

 

[Dard Ball Get]

One at a time, Mr Impatient. We need to know who everyone likes to sleep with, and then we can move onto the next topic. It's important to have our noses in everyone's business

Just find it hard to deal with considering nobody cares about the Bald Men Who Are Too Handsome And Have Too Much Athletic Ability To Focus On One Sport such as you and I

 

[George]

Find it hilarious players salaries are kept confidential, because “privacy” but folks are desperate to know who they’re mating with. Extremely weird.

Anyway I’m out, not literally, just of the conversation

You don't need to announce it, sweet cheeks. Everyone knows we have a weird thing going on already

 

[Joffaboy]

Australia has had an openly gay Basketballer, Soccer player, Rugby player so it would seem its not the country.

Gotta say the weird backlash to the ABC doing an investigation probably shows exactly why it’s needed. If you don’t care then why get defensive about the doco?

The quote was about the sport. It is played in only one country.
Again I ask how many gay soccer players in the Middle East?
And to what end as Dard asks? It is irrelevant to anybody under 30 and most people over that.
If an AFL player wants to come out, who gives a toss apart from some bogan homophones in the crowd and voyeurs who want to be somehow titillated in the wider public.
Sounds as relevant as a Twitter backlash.

As for the ABC, I am a huge supporter as it is a great broadcaster compared the right wing dirge of the commercials, but this topic is just silly.
Some on here would say I am 'of the left'. Does not preclude me from recognising this for virtue signalling, or some weird admonishment of a sporting body because of some deemed quota of gays required for today's supposed moral standards.

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[George]

Just find it hard to deal with considering nobody cares about the Bald Men Who Are Too Handsome And Have Too Much Athletic Ability To Focus On One Sport such as you and I

And there it is

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Some on here would say I am 'of the left'. Does not preclude me from recognising this for virtue signalling, or some weird admonishment of a sporting body because of some deemed quota of gays required for today's supposed moral standards.

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

Love it Joffa. That’s called being a high agency individual.
I am also of The Left, but hate what it has become. It is basically 180° from the values of yesteryear. Ridiculous times.

 

[Sun Ra]

Again I ask how many gay soccer players in the Middle East?

I would safely say there are heaps of them. As if they'd be open about it though - unless they want to die soon.

 

[phantom13]

The quote was about the sport. It is played in only one country.
Again I ask how many gay soccer players in the Middle East?
And to what end as Dard asks? It is irrelevant to anybody under 30 and most people over that.
If an AFL player wants to come out, who gives a toss apart from some Nolan homophones in the crowd and voyeurs who want to be somehow titillated in the wider public.
Sounds as relevant to a Twitter backlash.

As for the ABC, I am a huge supporter as it is a great broadcaster compared the right wing dirge of the commercials, but this topic is just silly.
Some on here would say I am 'of the left'. Does not preclude me from recognising this for virtue signalling, or some weird admonishment of a sporting body because of some deemed quota of gays required for today's supposed moral standards.

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

So you want us to be in similar position with gay right and representation as the Middle East?

I’m making the point that it’s the sport because the country has a number of professional athletes out and proud.

Go and have a read on Twitter what young men were saying when Josh Cavallo came out, or when Isaac Humphries came out. You might not care, plenty of young marginalized queer men and boys absolutely cared.

 

[Joffaboy]

Love it Joffa. That’s called being a high agency individual.
I am also of The Left, but hate what it has become. It is basically 180° from the values of yesteryear. Ridiculous times.

Culture wars from both left and right s.hit me no ends.

On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[jwikked]

That's why I agree with SaintsSeptember - the AFL will fix this now. Ita Buttrose is on the case ffs.

She'll turn a few gay

 

[Sun Ra]

Will await your summary x

Absolutely would put money on you watching 4 Corners on Monday night or otherwise catching up on iView mate.

 

[phantom13]

She'll turn a few gay

I’m genuinely not having a go at you cause we all do this but when I said “casual homophobia” at footy clubs this is the sort of gear I’m talking about. It’s almost entrenched in young Aussie men

 

[Joffaboy]

So you want us to be in similar position with gay right and representation as the Middle East?

I’m making the point that it’s the sport because the country has a number of professional athletes out and proud.

Go and have a read on Twitter what young men were saying when Josh Cavallo came out, or when Isaac Humphries came out. You might not care, plenty of young marginalized queer men and boys absolutely cared.

Sorry don't form my opinions from Twitter.

As for do I want Australia to be religious farked like the Middle East or the stilted machismo of South America? Do I really need to answer that?
And I have no problem with sportsmen coming out, there choice and their choice only, none of my business, good on them.

In the 90's there were radical gays outing homosexuals who were then subjected to acute embarrassment as they weren't ready and their families found out before they could tell them.
It's intensely personal, but this attack on their privacy and their rights is tantamount to bullying in my eyes.
Why pressure players if they don't want to? To what end? Well it is to virtue signalling at the expense of individual rights.


On SM-S908E using BigFooty.com mobile app