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[Dard Ball Get]

I’m genuinely not having a go at you cause we all do this but when I said “casual homophobia” at footy clubs this is the sort of gear I’m talking about. It’s almost entrenched in young Aussie men

That’s more anti women (old, out of touch, desperately stupid women) than anti gay tbf

 

[George]

I for one want to know who everyone likes to pork, I have a little diary and keep notes for my own amusement

 

[StFly]

I’m genuinely not having a go at you cause we all do this but when I said “casual homophobia” at footy clubs this is the sort of gear I’m talking about. It’s almost entrenched in young Aussie men

I'm still spewing the kookaburra is not gay any longer because society is a tween and giggles whilst being shocked and appalled.

 

[phantom13]

Sorry don't form my opinions from Twitter.

As for do I want Australia to be religious farked like the Middle East or the stilted machismo of South America? Do I really need to answer that?
And I have problem with sportsmen coming out, there choice and their choice only, none of my business, good on them.

In the 90's there were radical gays outing homosexuals who were then subjected to acute embarrassment as they weren't ready and their families found out before they could tell them.
It's intensely personal, but this attack on their privacy and their rights is tantamount to bullying in my eyes.
Why pressure players if they don't want to? To what end? Well it is to virtue signalling at the expense of individual rights.


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I’m not suggesting you should form it from Twitter, I’m suggesting that seeing the volume of young men commenting on how powerful it was for them to see an out professional soccer player resonated with them and made them feel more comfortable and accepted was fairly powerful, Twitter is just a simple tool to see it (I don’t actually have a Twitter account fwiw). You can ignore that if you like but you made the point no one under 30 cares, I can assure plenty do.

I think this is sort of the fundamental difference. You think a story like this is intended to put pressure on the gay players, I think it’s intended to put pressure on the AFL to ensure it’s doing everything it can to make the game more inclusive and welcoming. I’m sure a handful of ambulance chaser reporters wanna get the scoop but I also think plenty of people just want us to progress to a point where someone’s sexuality genuinely doesn’t matter and the biggest sport in the country isn’t a bad place to check in on imo.

 

[phantom13]

That’s more anti women (old, out of touch, desperately stupid women) than anti gay tbf

But if your a confused teenager down at your local footy club and hear that joke, the natural extension being that blokes only turn cause of old, ugly women, or the other standard stuff (x is gay, etc etc) it’s not exactly a welcoming environment is it?

 

[Dard Ball Get]

plenty of people just want us to progress to a point where someone’s sexuality genuinely doesn’t matter

It seems like plenty want to progress to a point where it’s all that matters more like it.

 

[phantom13]

It seems like plenty want to progress to a point where it’s all that matters more like it.

I really don’t think that’s the case but sure.

 

[George]

 

[Sully111]

If a player wants to come out... then they should do that.

That's really all there is to it imo.

I'm not sure what anyone wants the afl to do

 

[phantom13]

As the mod for the media and entertainment board I can say that generally tv show recommendations that people really don’t care about don’t get this many responses. The old “doth protest too much” a bit imo.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

But if your a confused teenager down at your local footy club and hear that joke, the natural extension being that blokes only turn cause of old, ugly women, or the other standard stuff (x is gay, etc etc) it’s not exactly a welcoming environment is it?

I long for a world still allowed humour and nuance. Swiftly driving it to a place devoid of both.
Working with gay clients currently, they poke more fun at themselves than anyone. We have great banter, I would be prejudice to exclude them from banter.
I hate anecdotes but I guess what I’m trying to say is where does this end?
Well, I sure wish it ended before books about anal and gay sex were being printed for 8 year olds.

 

[Sully111]

As the mod for the media and entertainment board I can say that generally tv show recommendations that people really don’t care about don’t get this many responses. The old “doth protest too much” a bit imo.

Of course


That's the only possible explanation

 

[DougalHoward]

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being gay, I don't think anyone does

 

[Dard Ball Get]

I see Obama has gay tendencies too, progress!


(Who cares if he killed his chef)

 

[phantom13]

I long for a world still allowed humour and nuance. Swiftly driving it to a place devoid of both.
Working with gay clients currently, they poke more fun at themselves than anyone. We have great banter, I would be prejudice to exclude them from banter.
I hate anecdotes but I guess what I’m trying to say is where does this end?
Well, I sure wish it ended before books about anal and gay sex were being printed for 8 year olds.

There’s a huge, huge difference between a strong confident adult gay man and a young confused kid though. Much like you I banter and joke around with my gay mates but I’ve spoken to a lot of them about their experience as teenagers and young adults and the jokes and comments really wounded them, a few have said it made them stay in the closet for years longer, Stand Up has quite a few who were driven from homes, sporting clubs etc because of it. Much like how as adults we learn when and how to make those jokes with other marginalized groups.

 

[George]

I long for a world still allowed humour and nuance. Swiftly driving it to a place devoid of both.
Working with gay clients currently, they poke more fun at themselves than anyone. We have great banter, I would be prejudice to exclude them from banter.
I hate anecdotes but I guess what I’m trying to say is where does this end?
Well, I sure wish it ended before books about anal and gay sex were being printed for 8 year olds.

Yep, work with a gay bloke and have worked with many before. Same as you, they like to take the piss out of themselves and me as much as anyone.

If you're a decent human being you just treat everyone with decency. You'd have to have a screw loose to do otherwise.

If people still feel like they can't be themselves I reckon that's on them by this point. I've never come across anyone who openly discriminates other people. Quite frankly nobody gives a shit about anyone but themselves, why would they spend a second caring about who some bloke down the road likes to peg.

 

[phantom13]

I've never come across anyone who openly discriminates other people.

I have, as have many many others but the whole “openly” thing is pretty important there. Just cause it doesn’t happen openly doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

Anyway this isn’t the spot to preach, watch or don’t watch the ABC thing, I do find it weird some are so opposed to the abc doing the story though.

 

[George]

I have, as have many many others but the whole “openly” thing is pretty important there. Just cause it doesn’t happen openly doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

Anyway this isn’t the spot to preach, watch or don’t watch the ABC thing, I do find it weird some are so opposed to the abc doing the story though.

Not so much opposed, I think it's just like most have said - nobody cares what other people do in their private life.

 

[phantom13]

Not so much opposed, I think it's just like most have said - nobody cares what other people do in their private life.

Yeh again, I can assure plenty of young gay people absolutely do care.

 

[George]

Yeh again, I can assure plenty of young gay people absolutely do care.

They care that nobody cares about what they do in their private lives? Weird

 

[phantom13]

They care that nobody cares about what they do in their private lives? Weird

Hard to grasp when you’re in the majority but some people would just love for everyone else to accept them. My point was more that representation matters.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Hard to grasp when you’re in the majority but some people would just love for everyone else to accept them. My point was more that representation matters.

I see where you’re coming from. I’d say they are as accepted as they’ve ever been.
What probably divides people more than anything are often the people driving these initiatives aren’t even apart of the group they “fight for”, and they are overly emotive and extreme.
Happens time and time again.

I think there is a far larger crisis for men as a whole than just the gays. That’s not a “cool” topic at all, however. In fact it’s completely shunned and scoffed at.

 

[phantom13]

I see where you’re coming from. I’d say they are as accepted as they’ve ever been.
What probably divides people more than anything are often the people driving these initiatives aren’t even apart of the group they “fight for”, and they are overly emotive and extreme.
Happens time and time again.

I think there is a far larger crisis for men as a whole than just the gays. That’s not a “cool” topic at all, however. In fact it’s completely shunned and scoffed at.

I’d agree with that.

 

[phantom13]

My insta feed tells me the latest Team Ellis Reality “star” boxing night is coming up at the esteemed Melbourne pavilion.

George must have his ringside seats booked already

 

[Sun Ra]

I long for a world still allowed humour and nuance. Swiftly driving it to a place devoid of both.
Working with gay clients currently, they poke more fun at themselves than anyone. We have great banter, I would be prejudice to exclude them from banter.
I hate anecdotes but I guess what I’m trying to say is where does this end?
Well, I sure wish it ended before books about anal and gay sex were being printed for 8 year olds.

Don't think that ever happened apart from in Andre Bolt's imagination.