The "Richmond haven't beaten anyone " myth thread

[TigerTime88]

If you can't identify a shocking ball drop due in no small part to Arnott's T-Rex short arms, you don't know footy. I'll absolutely agree he is hard and a good runner, but his disposal by foot will never be any better than "poor".

I'm going to watch Richmond (again) this weekend, and note how many of Rance's possessions travel backwards/sideways. Would be lucky to kick forward once a game, and most times turns it over.

Vickery was highly rated in the media, despite a somewhat middling U18's career. Richmond unfortunately caught wind of this and selected him with their first pick. Would have thought as the son of a boxing coach though he would be at least tough, not a purveyor of this faux-tough-guy act that is absolutely embarrassing. I suppose he is going better than Jayden Post, and Pretty Boy Hislop as your other picks that year though...

Vickery is a 22 yr old 200cm ruckman/fwd who has been good this year. Wouldn't expect him to be a world beater yet but a solid contributor.

You obviously forget how poor Hawkins was in his early 20's (still is overrated). Hows Mitch Brown? How is Vardy tracking?

Talls take time and he is having a good year. But by all means just go with the big footy "vickery is a dud" without actually watching him play.

 

[GetOverIt]

Freo have beaten 2 (and a draw) I think. To be fair, they only have four teams above them to choose from where Richmond have 5 (for only 2 wins).

Which two teams above freo have they beaten?

 

[Engimal]

Which two teams above freo have they beaten?

I can't recall. Someone posted a table with the figures on the previous page. You'd best ask them.

 

[Brown Bottle]

Are threads about Richmond like magnets to uninformed flogs, or is just that I don't read enough of the drivel on the MB and all threads are like this?

Maybe we over-index because we also have our own who wade in boots and all (hi Santa)

 

[Brown Bottle]

I can't recall. Someone posted a table with the figures on the previous page. You'd best ask them.

That was teams in the Top 8.

Hint: we're one of them

 

[Mateyman]

We were comparing North of 2012 to Richmond of 2013. In 2012, North lost to Hawthorn by, what 115 points? Has Richmond lost to anyone by that margin this year? Then there was the loss to Fremantle by 53 points, and the 16 goal loss to North. I repeat, last year North were 13th in scores against, and that doesn't include the West Coast debacle where you lost by 16 goals. Richmond are currently 3rd. But by all means, keep using Richmond as the measuring stick to convince yourself that North last year and Richmond this year are just the same, even though they have very different gameplans.



You beat Collingwood when Cloke and Dawes were struggling. This year has proven that Collingwood's top four placing was misleading.

No... it hasn't

 

[Danair]

Mattner-seriously? he is retired.
rohan yet to prove he is in your best 22

Mattner retired during the year because of injury.

A couple more games in the seconds to get his fitness up and Rohan will be brought into the seniors

But I'll give you them two, so seven of our best 22 is out.

 

[Engimal]

That was teams in the Top 8.

Hint: we're one of them

Oh, I was just pulling it from memory and thought it was against sides above them. My mistake. What do you rate Richmond's finals aspirations this year?

 

[GetOverIt]

Mattner retired during the year because of injury.

A couple more games in the seconds to get his fitness up and Rohan will be brought into the seniors

I would also argue that LRT isn't in your best 22 anymore with the advent of Tippet, the improvement of Pyke and Jessie Smith

 

[Proud SJW]

Is it just me but when a player is out for suspension (Pavlich) then you cannot complain you are missing them because it is completely different to an injury and is the players own fault?

It doesn't change the fact that they're missing at all, no. If they're not there, they're not there. Yes, it's their fault. Doesn't change a damned thing other than how much sympathy you have.

 

[cynical]

Another dozen good players before we become contenders? Are you serious?

yes

you need about 30 good players to contend for a flag

Richmond have had a very soft draw and a dream run with injuries, against good sides they have been beaten easily. Geelong, Bombers and Pies all won by 30+ even North smashed you. Still a long way off unfortunately (and I hope the tigers do well).

 

[Proud SJW]

Which two teams above freo have they beaten?

I don't really take wind over "teams above them" too seriously (except maybe very late in the season). It's more about the quality of the opposition.
I would rate a win over Carlton at Etihad fairly highly (due for us soon), possibly more so than the win over Collingwood at home earlier in the season.
Or you could take an example like North, who haven't looked bad as a team all season... until maybe the fourth quarters. They're still quality opposition, but currently sitting fairly low on the ladder.
This hype about Richmond not having beaten a team higher than them (other than Freo) is a bit silly. That's what finals are for - to see who is best among the ladder leaders. Gold Coast just beat Collingwood, but I wouldn't go around saying they're a better team... yet.

... no more than I'd say Richmond are better than Freo

 

[GetOverIt]

I don't really take wind over "teams above them" too seriously (except maybe very late in the season). It's more about the quality of the opposition.
I would rate a win over Carlton at Etihad fairly highly (due for us soon), possibly more so than the win over Collingwood at home earlier in the season.
Or you could take an example like North, who haven't looked bad as a team all season... until maybe the fourth quarters. They're still quality opposition, but currently sitting fairly low on the ladder.
This hype about Richmond not having beaten a team higher than them (other than Freo) is a bit silly. That's what finals are for - to see who is best among the ladder leaders. Gold Coast just beat Collingwood, but I wouldn't go around saying they're a better team... yet.

... no more than I'd say Richmond are better than Freo

So, the answer is.....FREO haven't beaten anyone above them and people on here are finding it hard to admit that.
Not a single one!

 

[Brown Bottle]

Oh, I was just pulling it from memory and thought it was against sides above them. My mistake. What do you rate Richmond's finals aspirations this year?

Happy to play in them. A win would be a bonus.

 

[MightyTiger]

yes

you need about 30 good players to contend for a flag

Richmond have had a very soft draw and a dream run with injuries, against good sides they have been beaten easily. Geelong, Bombers and Pies all won by 30+ even North smashed you. Still a long way off unfortunately (and I hope the tigers do well).

You beat us through 1 good quarter of football when we had 2 of our rucks go down in the same quarter only minutes apart, Pies beat us again through Cloke playing his annual good quarter of football against us, and we played our worst game of the year against Essendon where the team for some reason decided it was smart to keep chipping the ball around when they weren't instructed to do so.

We were hardly smashed by either of those teams, we were smashed against North, and any non one eyed Richmond supporter could see it coming, we don't play the Dome well at all, North play the majority of it's games there whereas we play the majority of ours on the MCG.

And we've hardly had a soft draw, return games against Essendon and Carlton still to come, played the majority of the top8 within the first 10 weeks, played Freo twice already, once away and at home, and are still yet to play GWS and Brisbane, but by all means please tell us of this imaginary 'soft draw' we've had so far.

 

[Engimal]

Happy to play in them. A win would be a bonus.

Haha, simple but fair.
The Tiges have a pretty easy run towards the end of the year, don't they?

 

[Proud SJW]

So, the answer is.....FREO haven't beaten anyone above them and people on here are finding it hard to admit that.
Not a single one!

I'm not finding it hard to admit that at all. I simply said it's not the final indicator of how good a team is.
Thought I'd made that fairly clear? Perhaps I should work on my writing skills.

You know I'm quite surprised at some of the Richmond supporters. There are a few who are fairly realistic, and others who make such a big deal out of playing finals and think it makes them a better quality team than they are. I understand that - I'm a Freo supporter. Been there for nearly 20 years.
I would have thought Richmond might have had a bit more sympathy for us, considering you've been in the same boat... only longer.

 

[Brown Bottle]

Haha, simple but fair.
The Tiges have a pretty easy run towards the end of the year, don't they?

I don't know that many Tigers fans who are deluded about our prospects. Simply put we're not Top 4 material, and as a rule sides who can't compete with the top teams don't win premierships. Fortunately I think we've still got some improvement in our best 22 and our list overall.

Run's not great. Sydney, Hawks, Bombers, Blues are all tough games. One would like to think we'll beat GWS and Brisbane down here, but one should never take results for granted either.

 

[Engimal]

I don't know that many Tigers fans who are deluded about our prospects. Simply put we're not Top 4 material, and as a rule sides who can't compete with the top teams don't win premierships. Fortunately I think we've still got some improvement in our best 22 and our list overall.

Run's not great. Sydney, Hawks, Bombers, Blues are all tough games. One would like to think we'll beat GWS and Brisbane down here, but one should never take results for granted either.

I'd only pencil in losses against the Hawks out of all those teams, maybe Sydney as well. I think Tigers still have quite a bit of list improvement to really be a genuine top 4 but I'd be very surprised if they didn't play finals this year and maybe sneak a win in.

 

[Proud SJW]

I'd only pencil in losses against the Hawks out of all those teams, maybe Sydney as well. I think Tigers still have quite a bit of list improvement to really be a genuine top 4 but I'd be very surprised if they didn't play finals this year and maybe sneak a win in.

Personally, I'd like them to take out Sydney and Essendon.
Just sayin'.

 

[Bazzar]

Haha, simple but fair.
The Tiges have a pretty easy run towards the end of the year, don't they?

Yes we do, just the Swans, Hawks, Essendon and Carlton.

 

[Golumless]

Welcome to what the Crows experienced last year and all the ******ed posters/commentators who don't believe you have earned your position.

You'd actually will end up believing that most people don't actually understand the concept of a ladder

 

[ROCKY ROAD]

No that is your logic. Judging players on 4 weeks of form. Well done. By the same token Delidio is a pretty ordinary player, given he (once again) failed to show up against Freo...

Looks like you're just another deluded Richmond fan signing up to BigFooty for your first finals campaign in over a decade. Well done mate, get a clue.

This is where you and a lot of other posters don't get it. Sick of hearing about delusional Richmond supporters talking up flags and crap like that. We are not, the media might say it but that doesn't mean the fans are saying it or even agreeing with it. The impression I get from your posts are that you are a smug, arrogant and full of yourself cat supporter and if everyone else got on here and said similar, lets just presume your not, you would get a bit tired of it. Thats what tiger supporters think of all the over the top hype about their club that all the non tiger people crap on about.

 

[Zach Package]

they have now beaten someone of note, before that, they hadn't. pretty simple, however it hasn't really changed my opinion of them at all, on their day they can run anyone pretty close.

Shaw is an absolute **** though

 

[I am Jack]

Seriously. if i hear the Tony" chip on shoulder norfern suburbs hero" Shaw and the like, ramble on anymore about who we have an haven't beaton, i will be sick

They haven't beaten a team above them? They don't have credbility? Well, for started we only have 5 sides above us and we are yet to play two of them. We have beaten one, lost by a point interstate in another clash and lost two others (geel and ess).

In the meantime, i hear about how Freo can win the flag, are brilliantly coached and have enormous credibility, Really?
Can someone tell me how many sides above them this credible side has beaten? Answer?

We beat Freo with players out and get told it doesn't really count. if we lsot, it woudl have been a choke. no win situation. Will it be the same this week if we beat Sydney?

Richmond haven't beaten anyone and Tony Shaw is correct.