Rumour The St Kilda debt situation - no more tick

[Kwality]

according to this, its a 109 million facility:

Dockers ask for millions from City of Fremantle before move to Cockburn

The Fremantle Dockers are playing hardball over their long-awaited move to Cockburn, asking the City of Fremantle to pay them millions to vacate premises at Fremantle Oval - despite the fact the council never wanted them to leave in the first place.

www.theage.com.au

according to this they didn't contribute much at all:

NEWS – Dockers’ facility to set new AFL benchmark

asf.org.au

109 - 72.8 - 22.4 - 1 = 12.8 million

Whats in the Balance Sheet?

 

[StCicatriz]

Whats in the Balance Sheet?

i would have posted that if i had access to it, which i don't. hence why i asked the question.

 

[hansie]

Who's kim duthie, oh that schoolgirl who ran rings around a premiership contending side...

Hey, if you put her in your current midfield, could probably take deeper into the finals.

Sorry?!? I’m a swans supporter I’m pretty happy with Parker mills Kennedy rowbottom Florent papley occasionally and the many other guns we throw into the guts…don’t think Kim duthie would help us that much! We certainly took care of you lot on the weekend. Peasant


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[KingsRansom]

Sorry?!? I’m a swans supporter I’m pretty happy with Parker mills Kennedy rowbottom Florent papley occasionally and the many other guns we throw into the guts…don’t think Kim duthie would help us that much! We certainly took care of you lot on the weekend. Peasant


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He doesn't know who he I replying to, he thinks everyone is a saints supporter lol, strange cat

 

[Freomaniac]

christ almighty. dig up.

enjoying your poxy war vs north? lol

 

[KingsRansom]

enjoying your poxy war vs north? lol

How's the Ross Lyon PTSD going now he's rumoured to be going to Carlton?

 

[Kwality]

PTSD

nah !

 

[StWalrus]

I gave em $100 this year, should just about cover it I reckon

 

[The Warlord]

Oh look, the clubs saying they want a discussion about how much they subsidise.

Fascinating figures about just how reliant on the AFL the Saints have been and still are.

AFL funding ladder revealed: $100m gap between top and bottom clubs

The size of the gap is a sore point for some power clubs, with Essendon president Paul Brasher demanding a say in how the next round of money is doled out.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Oh look, the clubs saying they want a discussion about how much they subsidise.

Fascinating figures about just how reliant on the AFL the Saints have been and still are.

AFL funding ladder revealed: $100m gap between top and bottom clubs

The size of the gap is a sore point for some power clubs, with Essendon president Paul Brasher demanding a say in how the next round of money is doled out.

www.theage.com.au

Is it fascinating though?

The article pretty much explains what most have been saying on here - that the AFL need the clubs, as much as the club's need the AFL.

The money that goes to clubs, comes back to the AFL with interest, which is why they do it. It's why the AFL make such massive dough.

This distribution money, is simply operating costs for a hugely profitable business.


The fascinating thing, is that only 7 AFL have an operating profit.
It goes to show, that without the AFL distributing money to ensure 18 clubs play games each week, there'd be a 7 team comp. And within a year or two, that would go bust as no one would be interested in a little 7 team game.

 

[branedotorg]

Is it fascinating though?

The article pretty much explains what most have been saying on here - that the AFL need the clubs, as much as the club's need the AFL.

The money that goes to clubs, comes back to the AFL with interest, which is why they do it. It's why the AFL make such massive dough.

This distribution money, is simply operating costs for a hugely profitable business.


The fascinating thing, is that only 7 AFL have an operating profit.
It goes to show, that without the AFL distributing money to ensure 18 clubs play games each week, there'd be a 7 team comp. And within a year or two, that would go bust as no one would be interested in a little 7 team game.

it also suggests how poor the marvel deals have been, even for bigger melbourne clubs.

 

[The Warlord]

Is it fascinating though?

The article pretty much explains what most have been saying on here - that the AFL need the clubs, as much as the club's need the AFL.

The money that goes to clubs, comes back to the AFL with interest, which is why they do it. It's why the AFL make such massive dough.

This distribution money, is simply operating costs for a hugely profitable business.


The fascinating thing, is that only 7 AFL have an operating profit.
It goes to show, that without the AFL distributing money to ensure 18 clubs play games each week, there'd be a 7 team comp. And within a year or two, that would go bust as no one would be interested in a little 7 team game.

Yep, agree on all.

That said, just how much St Kilda and the Dogs haver got above North is quite astounding.

North were unlucky to be in our worst financial hole just as online/social started being a real thing, so we got stuck with the povvo Norf tag.

Facts demonstrates its St Kilda and the Dogs who have been most reliant on special distribution.

The Tiges not afraid to put the hand our for such a massive power club too lol.

 

[The Warlord]

it also suggests how poor the marvel deals have been, even for bigger melbourne clubs.

This completley.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Yep, agree on all.

That said, just how much St Kilda and the Dogs haver got above North is quite astounding.

North were unlucky to be in our worst financial hole just as online/social started being a real thing, so we got stuck with the povvo Norf tag.

Facts demonstrates its St Kilda and the Dogs who have been most reliant on special distribution.

The Tiges not afraid to put the hand our for such a massive power club too lol.

What's the difference between being reliant, like all clubs except 6 are, and being most reliant?

Once you're reliant, you're reliant. You can't operate unless the AFL ours in millions of dollars.


The footy public needs to comprehend the fact that rubbish fixtures for clubs like St. Kilda, compared to clubs like Collingwood and Essendon, are vital to keeping the competition afloat.
And conversely, this means that the AFL will have to give St. Kilda more money to stay afloat.

If either of those scenarios don't happen, the league folds.
If you didn't gift Essendon and Collingwood dream fixtures with blockbusters and primetime slots every week, the overall revenue of the comp would not be enough to keep the 12 teams that operate at a loss afloat.

And if the AFL didn't keep those 12 teams afloat, the 6 clubs that do actually operate at a profit would have no one to play against and the would end up going bust within 2 years, or find themselves dominating some local comp.


The only alternative, would be to even out the draw, and let the St. Kildas of the world have a fair run at it by evenly splitting up the fixture to allow them a crack at primetime games and the huge audiences and sponsorship that comes with it.

But by the time they benefited from this, they and 11 other clubs would have already gone broke.


I find this notion of St. Kilda being scorned for getting 'handouts' to be utterly idiotic.

And I also find the notion of people getting upset about primetime fixtures for the big clubs to be equally as idiotic.

It's textbook trickle down economics - which is a necessity for the AFL. Fails horribly in real life in society, but is the only way the AFL can operate.

 

[matthew_s]

I’d be happy if every team who received more than $100m from the AFL was forced to fold.

 

[Kwality]

it also suggests how poor the marvel deals have been, even for bigger melbourne clubs.

How picky some clubs fans are evident from the numbers. Happy to go to the G, not Docklands.

 

[Kwality]

Yep, agree on all.

That said, just how much St Kilda and the Dogs haver got above North is quite astounding.

North were unlucky to be in our worst financial hole just as online/social started being a real thing, so we got stuck with the povvo Norf tag.

Facts demonstrates its St Kilda and the Dogs who have been most reliant on special distribution.

The Tiges not afraid to put the hand our for such a massive power club too lol.

You want more subsidy money, got it.

 

[Kwality]

What's the difference between being reliant, like all clubs except 6 are, and being most reliant?

Once you're reliant, you're reliant. You can't operate unless the AFL ours in millions of dollars.


The footy public needs to comprehend the fact that rubbish fixtures for clubs like St. Kilda, compared to clubs like Collingwood and Essendon, are vital to keeping the competition afloat.
And conversely, this means that the AFL will have to give St. Kilda more money to stay afloat.

If either of those scenarios don't happen, the league folds.
If you didn't gift Essendon and Collingwood dream fixtures with blockbusters and primetime slots every week, the overall revenue of the comp would not be enough to keep the 12 teams that operate at a loss afloat.

And if the AFL didn't keep those 12 teams afloat, the 6 clubs that do actually operate at a profit would have no one to play against and the would end up going bust within 2 years, or find themselves dominating some local comp.


The only alternative, would be to even out the draw, and let the St. Kildas of the world have a fair run at it by evenly splitting up the fixture to allow them a crack at primetime games and the huge audiences and sponsorship that comes with it.

But by the time they benefited from this, they and 11 other clubs would have already gone broke.


I find this notion of St. Kilda being scorned for getting 'handouts' to be utterly idiotic.

And I also find the notion of people getting upset about primetime fixtures for the big clubs to be equally as idiotic.

It's textbook trickle down economics - which is a necessity for the AFL. Fails horribly in real life in society, but is the only way the AFL can operate.

The AFL is a result of a broken VFL (& WAFL) - keeping 10 teams in a national comp in Vic* will always come at a cost, just developing a national presence in non heartland States has.
* there arent enough prime time games to satisy demand.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

The AFL is a result of a broken VFL (& WAFL) - keeping 10 teams in a national comp in Vic* will always come at a cost, just developing a national presence in non heartland States has.
* there arent enough prime time games to satisy demand.

What cost though???

The AFL rakes in multi million dollar profits year on end.

Everyone in AFL world is rolling in dough. Huge industry with everyone in it thriving.


It's like crying about the 5 bucks you spend on a train ticket, that takes you to a job that pays you 500. The distributions are simply operating costs.

 

[The_Wookie]

The AFL is a result of a broken VFL (& WAFL) - keeping 10 teams in a national comp in Vic* will always come at a cost, just developing a national presence in non heartland States has.
* there arent enough prime time games to satisy demand.

problem is there ARE enough prime time game slots available - Thursday and Sunday that rate very well but are massively underutilised because of attendance issues.

The Showdown for example, the first one of the year should be the sunday night before Adelaide Cup day. Im sure there public holidays in perth that could use a night game before them.

 

[parano1a]

The Showdown for example, the first one of the year should be the sunday night before Adelaide Cup day.

It all depends what Channel 7 wants. They may have already promised advertisers a premiere episode of My Kitchen Rules on that night.

 

[The_Wookie]

It all depends what Channel 7 wants. They may have already promised advertisers a premiere episode of My Kitchen Rules on that night.

The AFL nuked Sunday nights a couple of years ago, after complaints from clubs - Collingwood specifically - that it affected attendance

 

[Kwality]

What cost though???

The AFL rakes in multi million dollar profits year on end.

Everyone in AFL world is rolling in dough. Huge industry with everyone in it thriving.


It's like crying about the 5 bucks you spend on a train ticket, that takes you to a job that pays you 500. The distributions are simply operating costs.

Thats the way the AFL want us to see it, its their money to dole out as they think appropriate, as the clubs/teams put on the show & shut up.

BUT:
Essendon president Paul Brasher stated the AFL’s removing of $2m from sure clubs for 2022 was accomplished on the premise {that a} working group would overview it.
“We’d be pretty keen, we’d have a lot to say in that,” stated Brasher. “Other clubs will as well.
“Every club is going to speak through self-interest and if you look at it, the clubs that would expect to get more out of variable funding will want one thing. The clubs that think that they’ve probably sacrificed too much already will want something else. Whatever way it goes, [we] want to have a strong voice in that discussion.”

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The AFL doles out the money & spent more than it earned in the final year of the last media contract term, its not just Covid.

 

[Kwality]

problem is there ARE enough prime time game slots available - Thursday and Sunday that rate very well but are massively underutilised because of attendance issues.

The Showdown for example, the first one of the year should be the sunday night before Adelaide Cup day. Im sure there public holidays in perth that could use a night game before them.

So we need more prime time slots to be found:

* there arent enough prime time games to satisy demand.

 

[Kwality]

It all depends what Channel 7 wants. They may have already promised advertisers a premiere episode of My Kitchen Rules on that night.

Thats a business decision around advertising & ratings of long standing.