The Statistics Thread

[BEaston]

How does that work out when Murf, Boydy and Crammers are gone?

That's why we've gone down -5 in average games

 

[dogwatch]

How does that work out when Murf, Boydy and Crammers are gone?

We got Trengove in which almost balances out Crameri. Doesn't account for Murphy and Boyd though.
My guess is that (a) other clubs have refreshed with youngsters at least as aggressively as us (the list is average age ranking, not average age) and (b) we were already close to the bottom so it was going to be hard to get much lower, especially when those lower clubs have also lost ageing players.

 

[dogwatch]

2018 List Demographics

Average age (change from 2017 ranking):
1. Adelaide (+6)
2. Hawthorn (+1)
3. Geelong (+7)
4. Collingwood (+4)
5. GWS (-3)
6. Port Adelaide (+7)
7. Essendon (-2)
8. Sydney (+8)
9. Melbourne (+3)
10. Fremantle (-6)
11. Richmond (-5)
12. West Coast (-11)
13. Carlton (-4)
14. Bulldogs (=)
15. St. Kilda (-4)
16. North Melbourne (+1)
17. Brisbane (+1)
18. Gold Coast (-3)

Average games:
1. Hawthorn (+1)
2. Port Adelaide (+7)
3. Collingwood (+3)
4. Adelaide (+11)
5. Sydney (+9)
6. Geelong (+5)
7. West Coast (-6)
8. GWS (-5)
9. Fremantle (-4)
10. Richmond (-3)
11. Essendon (-7)
12. Melbourne (+4)
13. Bulldogs (-5)
14. Carlton (+3)
15. Brisbane (+3)
16. Gold Coast (-3)
17. St. Kilda (-7)
18. North Melbourne (-6)

Could you post the average ages and average games played? Would be worth a look if available.

 

[TempletonTheRat]

We got Trengove in which almost balances out Crameri. Doesn't account for Murphy and Boyd though.
My guess is that (a) other clubs have refreshed with youngsters at least as aggressively as us (the list is average age ranking, not average age) and (b) we were already close to the bottom so it was going to be hard to get much lower, especially when those lower clubs have also lost ageing players.

nutshell !!

other teams have also lost their older players - eg. Priddis, Mitchell, Hodge, Gibson, Swallow, Maric, etc.

 

[ivan rassmussen]

Average meat pie consumption per VFL/AFL game by ivan rassmussen
Early-mid 70s: 0
Late 70s: 1-2
80s: 1-3
90s: 1-2
00s: 0-1
10s: 0

Does anyone have stats for meat pie consumption at VFL/AFL games in the previous 45-50 years? I know my downward trend is related to attending with kids and associated costs, etc, but I'm curious to know what the trends are. I still enjoy a pie btw, probably only manage 1-2 per season these days.
I estimate I've attended around 5-600 games in my life (h&a, finals, pre-season, night series, practice matches). I reckon my best effort was 4 pies vs West Coast R22 1988 at Western Oval. That is probably one of only 4-5 games I have ever consumed alcohol at as well, standing with non-Dogs mates behind the Barkly St goals (something I rarely did), and got interviewed by a young female reporter from the local paper as Eagles goals kept soaring over my head. Only game I ever went home p1ssed from, but the beers and pies didn't even touch the sides...

Tbh, I'm not even sure why I just posted that...!

 

[giblj]

2018 List Demographics

Average age (change from 2017):
1. Adelaide - 24.6 years (+0.6 years)
2. Hawthorn - 24.6 (-0.1)
3. Geelong - 24.4 (+0.5)
4. Collingwood - 24.4 (+0.5)
5. GWS - 24.3 (-0.2)
6. Port Adelaide - 24.2 (+0.3)
7. Essendon - 24.1 (-0.3)
8. Sydney - 24.0 (+0.3)
9. Melbourne - 24.0 (+0.1)
10. Fremantle - 23.9 (-0.5)
11. Richmond - 23.9 (-0.1)
12. West Coast - 23.9 (-0.9)
13. Carlton - 23.8 (-0.1)
14. Bulldogs - 23.8 (=)
15. St. Kilda - 23.6 (-0.3)
16. North Melbourne - 23.5 (-0.2)
17. Brisbane - 23.5 (+0.7)
18. Gold Coast - 23.1 (-0.7)

Average games (change from 2017)
1. Hawthorn - 74.1 games (-3.1 games)
2. Port Adelaide - 72.5 (+10.3)
3. Collingwood - 69.9 (+6.2)
4. Adelaide - 67.9 (+10.5)
5. Sydney - 65.6 (+7.8)
6. Geelong - 65.4 (+5.5)
7. West Coast - 63.9 (-17.1)
8. GWS - 63.9 (-8.6)
9. Fremantle - 63.2 (-4.1)
10. Richmond - 61.7 (-0.8)
11. Essendon - 57.6 (-9.8)
12. Melbourne - 56.5 (-0.6)
13. Bulldogs - 56.4 (-5.9)
14. Carlton - 56.4 (+4.5)
15. Brisbane - 55.2 (+14.5)
16. Gold Coast - 53.5 (-4.9)
17. St. Kilda - 52.6 (-7.9)
18. North Melbourne - 51.8 (-7.0)

dogwatch

 

[Fossie 32]

Average meat pie consumption per VFL/AFL game by ivan rassmussen
Early-mid 70s: 0
Late 70s: 1-2
80s: 1-3
90s: 1-2
00s: 0-1
10s: 0

Does anyone have stats for meat pie consumption at VFL/AFL games in the previous 45-50 years? I know my downward trend is related to attending with kids and associated costs, etc, but I'm curious to know what the trends are. I still enjoy a pie btw, probably only manage 1-2 per season these days.
I estimate I've attended around 5-600 games in my life (h&a, finals, pre-season, night series, practice matches). I reckon my best effort was 4 pies vs West Coast R22 1988 at Western Oval. That is probably one of only 4-5 games I have ever consumed alcohol at as well, standing with non-Dogs mates behind the Barkly St goals (something I rarely did), and got interviewed by a young female reporter from the local paper as Eagles goals kept soaring over my head. Only game I ever went home p1ssed from, but the beers and pies didn't even touch the sides...

Tbh, I'm not even sure why I just posted that...!

Similar to my coke and chocolate consumption on the way to and from games......

 

[dogwatch]

Similar to my coke and chocolate consumption on the way to and from games......

I have this delightful mental image of Fossie doing a line of coke on the tram home after a game in the 1980s ... and all the other passengers pretending not to notice.

 

[dogwatch]

2018 List Demographics

Average age (change from 2017):
1. Adelaide - 24.6 years (+0.6 years)
2. Hawthorn - 24.6 (-0.1)
3. Geelong - 24.4 (+0.5)
4. Collingwood - 24.4 (+0.5)
5. GWS - 24.3 (-0.2)
6. Port Adelaide - 24.2 (+0.3)
7. Essendon - 24.1 (-0.3)
8. Sydney - 24.0 (+0.3)
9. Melbourne - 24.0 (+0.1)
10. Fremantle - 23.9 (-0.5)
11. Richmond - 23.9 (-0.1)
12. West Coast - 23.9 (-0.9)
13. Carlton - 23.8 (-0.1)
14. Bulldogs - 23.8 (=)
15. St. Kilda - 23.6 (-0.3)
16. North Melbourne - 23.5 (-0.2)
17. Brisbane - 23.5 (+0.7)
18. Gold Coast - 23.1 (-0.7)

Average games (change from 2017)
1. Hawthorn - 74.1 games (-3.1 games)
2. Port Adelaide - 72.5 (+10.3)
3. Collingwood - 69.9 (+6.2)
4. Adelaide - 67.9 (+10.5)
5. Sydney - 65.6 (+7.8)
6. Geelong - 65.4 (+5.5)
7. West Coast - 63.9 (-17.1)
8. GWS - 63.9 (-8.6)
9. Fremantle - 63.2 (-4.1)
10. Richmond - 61.7 (-0.8)
11. Essendon - 57.6 (-9.8)
12. Melbourne - 56.5 (-0.6)
13. Bulldogs - 56.4 (-5.9)
14. Carlton - 56.4 (+4.5)
15. Brisbane - 55.2 (+14.5)
16. Gold Coast - 53.5 (-4.9)
17. St. Kilda - 52.6 (-7.9)
18. North Melbourne - 51.8 (-7.0)

dogwatch

Thanks.
Apart from the outlier (Gold Coast) those ages are pretty closely clustered around 24.0. It makes sense when you are looking at a full and balanced list of 44. I suspect we will see greater age (and perhaps game) separation when we look at the average age/games of the chosen 22 from each club in any given match. Especially as injuries start to affect who's available.

 

[dogwatch]

Average meat pie consumption per VFL/AFL game by ivan rassmussen
Early-mid 70s: 0
Late 70s: 1-2
80s: 1-3
90s: 1-2
00s: 0-1
10s: 0

Does anyone have stats for meat pie consumption at VFL/AFL games in the previous 45-50 years? I know my downward trend is related to attending with kids and associated costs, etc, but I'm curious to know what the trends are. I still enjoy a pie btw, probably only manage 1-2 per season these days.
I estimate I've attended around 5-600 games in my life (h&a, finals, pre-season, night series, practice matches). I reckon my best effort was 4 pies vs West Coast R22 1988 at Western Oval. That is probably one of only 4-5 games I have ever consumed alcohol at as well, standing with non-Dogs mates behind the Barkly St goals (something I rarely did), and got interviewed by a young female reporter from the local paper as Eagles goals kept soaring over my head. Only game I ever went home p1ssed from, but the beers and pies didn't even touch the sides...

Tbh, I'm not even sure why I just posted that...!

This characteristic rise and fall gives rise to the classic shape that statisticians like to call the pie curve ...

 

[Fossie 32]

I have this delightful mental image of Fossie doing a line of coke on the tram home after a game in the 1980s ... and all the other passengers pretending not to notice.

It wasn't a good decade to give up snorting Coke

 

[TempleKelvington]

This characteristic rise and fall gives rise to the classic shape that statisticians like to call the pie curve ...

View attachment 441297

Is that a pie chart?

 

[dogwatch]

Is that a pie chart?

You could call it that.

I reckon this is a pie chart (but I have no source)

 

[ivan rassmussen]

Great work Fossie32 and dogwatch - pie charts, coke on the tram and Flying High! This thread is now far more interesting...

 

[Fossie 32]

You could call it that.

I reckon this is a pie chart (but I have no source)
View attachment 442078

 

[worbod]

I have been trying to construct a list of who kicked the first goal in every final we have played. I was able to obtain most of this information from old Sporting Globe newspapers from the internet and Melbourne State Library. I have some gaps which hopefully a few others might know about so I can add them to the table later. I have seen some games from the 1980s onward on YouTube but still some gaps remain. I have used the great AFL Tables website for all finals from 2008 onward. I have been fortunate with The Sporting Globe's method of setting out a quarter by quarter analysis of all games which allowed me to go right up to 1976 before I had trouble finding some info. I have put the minute mark of the first quarter wherever it was mentioned.

Brett Montgomery and Chris Grant feature three times whilst Harvey Stevens, Mitch Hahn and Liam Picken feature twice.

season	game	opponent	first goalkicker	minute mark
1938	1st semi	Collingwood	Cliff McRae
1942	1st semi	South Melbourne	Norm Ware
1944	1st semi	Essendon	Ron Grove
1946	1st semi	Melbourne	Arthur Olliver
1948	1st semi	Collingwood	Merv Laffey
1951	1st semi	Essendon	Dave Bryden
1953	1st semi	Essendon	Alan Trusler
1953	prelim	Geelong	Harvey Stevens
1954	2nd semi	Geelong	Brian Gilmore
1954	grand final	Melbourne	Jack Collins
1956	1st semi	Geelong	Max Cross	15
1956	prelim	Collingwood	Harvey Stevens	17
1961	1st semi	St. Kilda	Merv Hobbs	2
1961	prelim	Melbourne	Ted Whitten	17
1961	grand final	Hawthorn	John Quarrell	4
1974	elim	Collingwood	Laurie Sandilands
1976	elim	Geelong	Kelvin Templeton	14
1985	qual	Hawthorn
1985	1st semi	North Melbourne	Allen Daniels	7
1985	prelim	Hawthorn	Jim Sewell	40 secs
1992	qual	Geelong	Brian Royal
1992	1st semi	St. Kilda	Chris Grant	27 secs
1992	prelim	Geelong	Steve Macpherson	23
1994	1st qual	Geelong	Kym Koster	19
1994	1st semi	Melbourne	Nigel Kellett	13
1995	3rd qual	Geelong	Richard Osborne	14
1997	2nd qual	Sydney	Brett Montgomery	1
1997	1st prelim	Adelaide	James Cook
1998	3rd qual	West Coast	Brett Montgomery	3
1998	1st prelim	Adelaide
1999	1st qual	West Coast
1999	2nd semi	Brisbane Lions	Chris Grant	24
2000	2nd elim	Brisbane Lions
2006	1st elim	Collingwood	Brett Montgomery
2006	1st semi	West Coast	Chris Grant
2008	2nd qual	Hawthorn	Brad Johnson	11
2008	2nd semi	Sydney	Bob Murphy	9
2008	1st prelim	Geelong	Shaun Higgins	8
2009	2nd qual	Geelong	Ben Hudson	1
2009	2nd semi	Brisbane Lions	Jason Akermanis	7
2009	1st prelim	St. Kilda	Liam Picken	5
2010	1st qual	Collingwood	Mitch Hahn	4 (2nd Q)
2010	1st semi	Sydney	Barry Hall	8
2010	2nd prelim	St. Kilda	Mitch Hahn	16
2015	2nd elim	Adelaide	Stewart Crameri	1
2016	2nd elim	West Coast	Liam Picken	12
2016	2nd semi	Hawthorn	Easton Wood	22
2016	1st prelim	G. W. S.	Clay Smith	5
2016	grand final	Sydney	Zaine Cordy	19

 

[JoshFunkley]

Was just having a little play on the AFL website and was quite shocked to find out that we are currently #1 in the competition for disposal efficiency, marks inside 50 and total marks. Also, have had the least clangers in the comp.

Just found it interesting how statistically we're actually going alright in most categories except for contested possessions and goalkicking accuracy.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

 

[X_box_X]

It's not all that surprising.

Averaging 19 disposals over your first three games in 2018 would be similar to averaging 15 disposals over your first three games in 2000. It's a much different game than 20 years ago, and one of the major statistical changes are the higher amount of disposals per player, per game.

 

[dogwatch]

It's not all that surprising.

Averaging 19 disposals over your first three games in 2018 would be similar to averaging 15 disposals over your first three games in 2000. It's a much different game than 20 years ago, and one of the major statistical changes are the higher amount of disposals per player, per game.

 

[Fossie 32]

It's not all that surprising.

Averaging 19 disposals over your first three games in 2018 would be similar to averaging 15 disposals over your first three games in 2000. It's a much different game than 20 years ago, and one of the major statistical changes are the higher amount of disposals per player, per game.

Then he would only be better than 15 out of that list

 

[X_box_X]

Then he would only be better than 15 out of that list

Why is it surprising that a future Brownlow Medalist is better than 15 of the past 22 Brownlow Medalists?

 

[Fossie 32]

Why is it surprising that a future Brownlow Medalist is better than 15 of the past 22 Brownlow Medalists?

Oh I see. Not at all surprising

 

[giblj]

With Bont announced as being available for the weekend, it looks like we'll have three players in as many weeks playing their 100th game while also captaining the side. Surely that's never happened before.

 

[worbod]

I have never been very good at music but here I am blowing my own trumpet. I have just created a quiz on the Sporcle website in which you have to name as many Footscray/Western Bulldogs players as you can who have kicked a goal for us in a finals game. There is 153 names in total and all names are listed alphabetically. There will be some names you will know straight away without having to read about their playing career. Anyway, if you fancy yourself with Bulldogs player history, you might feel it worthwhile having a go. I hope 12 minutes is long enough. In case you have never played any Sporcle quizzes before, you only need to type in a surname.

https://www.sporcle.com/games/worbod/footscraywestern-bulldogs-finals-goal-kickers