The thread about the Environment

[smokingjacket]

That doesn't quite have the same ring, does it?

No it doesn't. Does the punch through of a meme define the science though?

As I said. It's already done. If the purpose of opposition to climate science was that fixing it represented an unduly heavy burden on developed countries energy sectors then the economics of renewable energy have already, even at this early stage started to win that argument for themselves.

You seem like a reasonable person, if a bit fixated on this one issue. Go forth and find some real bastards to stick it up. It's a lot more satisfying than arguing with scientists.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Not often talked about, given the coverage of other environmental issues, but of great concern is that we are now moving into a 6th great mass extinction, this time of human creation.

Land clearing, over fishing, habitat loss, pollution, environmental degradation due to agriculture, etc. has led to an alarming rate of despeciation. Whilst the carbon cycle in particular is dependent on the oceans, where phytoplankton populations may be at risk due to increased acidification, what is of real concern due to short term human impacts is the collapse of food webs and /or overdominance of invasive species.

This has a serious impact for humans, as pest species pose a serious threat to crops, fish population and even human health.





http://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/july/sixth-mass-extinction-072414.html

Further to my earlier post.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/29/earth-lost-50-wildlife-in-40-years-wwf

Earth lost 50% of its wildlife in the past 40 years, says WWF
Species across land, rivers and seas decimated as humans kill for food in unsustainable numbers and destroy habitats

See picture gallery of wild animals facing decline

The number of wild animals on Earth has halved in the past 40 years, according to a new analysis. Creatures across land, rivers and the seas are being decimated as humans kill them for food in unsustainable numbers, while polluting or destroying their habitats, the research by scientists at WWF and the Zoological Society of London found.

“If half the animals died in London zoo next week it would be front page news,” said Professor Ken Norris, ZSL’s director of science. “But that is happening in the great outdoors. This damage is not inevitable but a consequence of the way we choose to live.” He said nature, which provides food and clean water and air, was essential for human wellbeing.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/29/earth-lost-50-wildlife-in-40-years-wwf

 

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Further to my earlier post.


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/29/earth-lost-50-wildlife-in-40-years-wwf



http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/29/earth-lost-50-wildlife-in-40-years-wwf

Read up dickhead

 

[Long Live HFC]

And why do people always bring up the mass extermination of Jews when debating the ins and outs of climate? It's creepy.

shrugs. twas just an example of people bending over to deny the obvious.

 

[Long Live HFC]

In short, they got their 97 percent by considering only those abstracts that expressed a position on anthropogenic global warming (AGW). I find it interesting that 2/3 of the abstracts did not take a position. So, taking into account David Friedman's criticism above, and mine, Cook and Bedford, in summarizing their findings, should have said, "Of the approximately one third of climate scientists writing on global warming who stated a position on the role of humans, 97% thought humans contribute somewhat to global warming." That doesn't quite have the same ring, does it?

ironic isn't it? the fact so much climate science research assumes the A in AGW as a starting point, hence doesn't feel the need to state the obvious in its abstract, is now used as evidence to muddy the waters about any consensus.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Read up dickhead

wut in the worldddddd

EDIT: ah I see. Didn't realise it was a repost, oh and Clay, you aren't a very nice person. Why you have to be like that.

 

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wut in the worldddddd

EDIT: ah I see. Didn't realise it was a repost, oh and Clay, you aren't a very nice person. Why you have to be like that.

I like creating division. Go forth and multiply.

 

[Play by Numbers]

No I don't, but I'm far from qualified to answer that with any certainty.
It does appear likely that everything has a shelf life, even us.

I don't understand what your point is.

There is a neat dance between misrepresentation and intellectual dishonesty, followed by just flat out admitting ignorance.

You don't know much about the topic, yet take a default line of soft opposition, or shoulder shrugging. The evidence is strong that we may be undergoing a sixth great mass extinction, this time caused bu humans. Both a rapid decrease in species and wildlife numbers attest to this. It isn't some airy fairy thing either. Habitat loss, harm caused by introduced species, impacts of pollution, overfishing etc. are directly measurable

 

[Play by Numbers]

I like creating division. Go forth and multiply.

It's not a mystery clay. For whatever reason most of my accounts stay unbant, so alternate from time to time. Not a badarse like you or a hothead like ol mate bushie, who probably hasn't deserved half the trouble he receives.

 

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It's not a mystery clay. For whatever reason most of my accounts stay unbant, so alternate from time to time. Not a badarse like you or a hothead like ol mate bushie, who probably hasn't deserved half the trouble he receives.

CD was never banned.

 

[Play by Numbers]

CD was never banned.

You just made the account unusable? Honestly I don't have an issue with it. Sometimes an account just begins to generate auto responses from the usual bunch of miscreants.

 

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You just made the account unusable? Honestly I don't have an issue with it. Sometimes an account just begins to generate auto responses from the usual bunch of miscreants.

10minutemail + random password you can't remember. Your account has gone forever.

Was also good for disposable troll accounts. RIP Cray Davis/Craig David

 

[Play by Numbers]

10minutemail + random password you can't remember. Your account has gone forever.

Was also good for disposable troll accounts. RIP Cray Davis/Craig David

Mmmmmm you remind me of someone I know in real life, who posts on here but I don't know his account name. It couldn't possibly be you....?

 

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Mmmmmm you remind me of someone I know in real life, who posts on here but I don't know his account name. It couldn't possibly be you....?

Probably not, I don't know anyone in real life.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Probably not, I don't know anyone in real life.

Sure it's not you Hal?

 

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Sure it's not you Hal?

 

[evo]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/29/earth-lost-50-wildlife-in-40-years-wwf

Not really surprising, most of the planet's biomass is being redirected to provide for humanity. Those large animals which have minimal utility for humanity will disappear forever.

It makes pretty grim reading, eh.

 

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It makes pretty grim reading, eh.

The Sixth Extinction by Elizabeth Kolbert expands on the grimness.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Hahahahaha that a confirmation, if it is, it would explain why it's so easy to wind you up you campaigner.

 

[Play by Numbers]

The Sixth Extinction by Elizabeth Kolbert expands on the grimness.

Scrap that, reading books, it can't be Hal.

 

[The Coup]

Is this really the standard of enquiry taking place about global warming?

I'd have hoped things had progressed along a bit further but it seems the oil industry are really insidious in the USA:

 

[Lester Burnham]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/sep/29/earth-lost-50-wildlife-in-40-years-wwf

Not really surprising, most of the planet's biomass is being redirected to provide for humanity. Those large animals which have minimal utility for humanity will disappear forever.

Interesting that a new climate change agreement gets first mention as an opportunity to reverse the trends. The decline in numbers of wild animals might be man made but has little to do with changes in the climate.

David Nussbaum, chief executive of WWF-UK said: “The scale of the destruction highlighted in this report should be a wake-up call for us all. But 2015 – when the countries of the world are due to come together to agree on a new global climate agreement, as well as a set of sustainable development goals – presents us with a unique opportunity to reverse the trends.​

 

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Interesting that a new climate change agreement gets first mention as an opportunity to reverse the trends. The decline in numbers of wild animals might be man made but has little to do with changes in the climate.

David Nussbaum, chief executive of WWF-UK said: “The scale of the destruction highlighted in this report should be a wake-up call for us all. But 2015 – when the countries of the world are due to come together to agree on a new global climate agreement, as well as a set of sustainable development goals – presents us with a unique opportunity to reverse the trends.​

What do you mean by might?

Why does it have little to do with changes in climate? Plenty of species under pressure due to changes in climate (polar bears, seals, rainforest tree species).

 

[alchemy333]

Polar Bears? Pretty sure their numbers are high, not floating adrift on crumbling ice blocks as per climate propaganda.

 

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Polar Bears? Pretty sure their numbers are high, not floating adrift on crumbling ice blocks as per climate propaganda.

Well that's the kind of certainty on which we can conduct a debate.