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[smashbox gill]

Why would we give up Lucas and a ruckman to move up five spots in the draft?

Geez.

We could trade pick 11 and a second round pick to get pick six. I'm totally against two for one deals.

The Dogs have Minson, Cordy and Roughead, yet if they're lucky, they could land Brodie Grundy with one of their picks.

because we can use pick 11 to get caddy then, and have pick 6 to get a better player? I think its a great deal

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I had an issue with Malthouse walking in and cutting quarter of the list without really talking to the players and studying their form, talking to assistants etc. We may well end up cutting half of the list in order to get other players in, but it seems the club is making many of those choices ahead of Malthouse walking in. I'd say he has been asked if he wants to specifically use any of the players in the gun and had no specific need so they have gone ahead with it.

 

[Jimthegreat]

In regards to Quinten Lynch, posted about a month or so ago a number of Victorian Clubs were asking, and that he was probably the most likely forward on the market to make a move, but I doubt he will end up at Carlton.

If we dont get Cloke, I think he would be a good option. Mick loves the 3 talls in the foward line, but i doubt he would consider Walker as a tall. Doubt we can play two of Rowe, Casboult or Mitchell in the same forward line if Waite is already playing. Too top heavy and slow. Lynch, unlike those 3, has the capacity to play higher up the ground, and is proven at the top level, as being handy.

Although I would like to see Walker playing down back, a forward line of:

Walker Lynch Garlett
Betts Waite Hampson

-Would be a good basis/structure to build on.
- Would save us around $500,000 compared to Cloke, which would allow us to at the very least throw decent numbers at Caddy, and probably another.

Mick also likes to have only one ruckman most times with another pinch-hitting so you could straight out substitute Hamspon for Casboult in that case. Id prefer that too.

 

[marleyblue]

Actually that would be a massive win for us. Just not sure they would want to give up a pick that early. But I like it

Teams don't give up really high picks very often - and when they do it is only for an elite player.

Pick 6 gives the Dogs the opportunity to land a MD pick and potential pick 2 for next season or a very highly rated player from this draft. No way they will trade it for Warnock and lucas

 

[Weiterbot23]

Why would we give up Lucas and a ruckman to move up five spots in the draft?

Geez.

We could trade pick 11 and a second round pick to get pick six. I'm totally against two for one deals.

The Dogs have Minson, Cordy and Roughead, yet if they're lucky, they could land Brodie Grundy with one of their picks.

I think gill was suggesting Warnock, Lucas (did they have interest in him before?) and a 2nd rounder (pick 30ish). For pick 6.

It's not the worst deal in the world for them but they would have to delist 2 players to accomodate it and give up the chance of drafting a superstar at 6, doubt they would take the bait.


It's funny how we all pakage our ok assets in 2 for 1 deals to get a gun or a high pick but scoff when opposition supporters suggest the same to us.

 

[Stamos]

I had an issue with Malthouse walking in and cutting quarter of the list without really talking to the players and studying their form, talking to assistants etc.

I doubt we'll cut a quarter of the list, and I'd suggest that the rest of the List Management Committee made the call on the 4 so far, and Malthouse agreed, rather than Mick making the call.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Probably our only chance.

Agree that Warnock or Hammer might get us a first rounder from GWS and clear salary cap room as a bonus.

Don't think we are in the business of giving 3 year contracts to those we plan to trade. We'd do something quite a bit less than that to shore up our hand in the trade market. Besides, Warnock is playing for us because we wanted to come back to Victoria. Don't see him shifting interstate.

 

[Big Sim]

Don't think we are in the business of giving 3 year contracts to those we plan to trade. We'd do something quite a bit less than that to shore up our hand in the trade market. Besides, Warnock is playing for us because we wanted to come back to Victoria. Don't see him shifting interstate.

Might have been the only deal Warnock would agree to. Remember he could have walked for nothing to GWS via the preseason draft. Signing him up was the only way we could ensure we got a decent return should he leave.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I doubt we'll cut a quarter of the list, and I'd suggest that the rest of the List Management Committee made the call on the 4 so far, and Malthouse agreed, rather than Mick making the call.

Depends on rookies I guess. We won't cut quarter of the senior list.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Don't think we are in the business of giving 3 year contracts to those we plan to trade. We'd do something quite a bit less than that to shore up our hand in the trade market. Besides, Warnock is playing for us because we wanted to come back to Victoria. Don't see him shifting interstate.

Maybe more playing oppotunities will float his boat.

I reckon it would be a good idea to pull the trigger on a trade for hamma or Warnock, Would rather go with the collingwood model of one ruck Kreuz, and one forward pinch hitting be it levi, or one of hamma/206.

 

[gbatman]

When I'm looking for the opposite of what I'm thinking...I just need to find your posts. Lynch would be a "Rowesque" style shorter term fix to a key problem within our team - the ability to take a strong contested mark and provide a link between midfield and full forward. See post 2905 for more information - Jeremias hit the nail on the head.

Agree that Lynch is the right type of player that we need but... If getting Lynch means that we lose a good player like Casboult (or any of the others, even Lucas) or we lose a good draft pick then I guarantee you that we will look back at the acquisition of a 30 year old key forward as a disaster in a few years time. This is the sort of crap list management that causes teams to fall and fall hard, particularly Carlton. If we get Lynch at little to no cost then we should go for it, but as long as we sign Casboult and Mitchell on longish contracts so they don't crack the shits and leave when they don't get a game.

 

[BROWN20]

because we can use pick 11 to get caddy then, and have pick 6 to get a better player? I think its a great deal

There is no certainty that pick 6 will be a better player than pick 11, or pick 1 will be better than pick 4, there are examples of this every year, giving up our first pick for Caddy if he wants to come to carlton has some merit, but giving up basically three players for pick 6 does not, Lucas may thrive at a new club, he may improve under Malthouse not sure he will be moved on unless the offer is very good.

 

[Murphy2Fev]

Essendon will end up with Caddy

 

[BROWN20]

Our interest in Q, will be determined by Travis Cloke. They have been linked with Lynch for some weeks now, and were supposedly in the 'box seat'. If Cloke stays at Collingwood, as i suspect he will, they
A) Don't need Lynch
B) Couldn't fit him in the cap.

Given we know of Micks pentiant for 3 talls up forward, this would leave Carlton probably looking for another tall option, with Lynch clearly being the best available at this stage. Carlton would save close to $600,000 taking Q rather than Cloke, which would aid us greatly in our pursuit of Josh Caddy.

Having a look at it, I cant see Lynch at Collingwood. If Cloke does go (presumably to Carlton), Lynch would be the number 1 bean up forward for the Pies, which is a role doubt he desires, or is capable of fulfilling at this stage of his career. Both Carlton and Collingwood would be selling him the same message about imminent success, and both would probably be viewed as a good chance to go close next year and beyond.

If Collingwood wanted to go into 2013 with Dawes and Lynch as their key forwards, or as rumoured Dawes and Stefan Martin (who is a classic case of a small man in a big mans body), then I doubt we will be seeing them anywhere near the top 4. Too hard to function consistently all year with 2 average talls. (e.g. Carlton without Waite). Would think Collingwood would try and use the $500,000 or $600,000 (if Cloke leaves) on luring another bigger name.

Lynch and Waite would be far from the best tall forward combination in the League, but would at least give us some structure, and capable AFL proven targets. Unless another club jumps in, can only see Lynch being at West Coast or Carlton next year.

Either way, the chance that either Cloke or Lynch will wear Navy Blue next year is an exciting one.

If Carlton were to walk away at the end of October with Josh Caddy and Quinten Lynch, surely we would all view that as a massive step forward.

A very short term view looking at Lynch, Cloke would have to be very much 50/50, they have signed all their players have no room to improve their offer, not sure what is going to change for him to stay at the Pies, would think there is a very good chance he may leave the Pies.

 

[Silvagnis]

Gold Coast want a first-round pick as well as a sweetener to get the deal done.

Brock Mclean?

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

um.. lets leave the big Q in the rack please. If we don't get Cloke, then full steam ahead with Levi, Squidda and Rowe.

 

[marleyblue]

Essendon will end up with Caddy

How??? I'm not buying into Essendon in the box seat because they have nothing to trade. Their first round pick is gone and GC will not accept a 2nd round pick and player - they won't use the pick and they are trying to reduce their list. If Essendon really want Caddy they will need to gain a top 15 draft pick and no team will trade that for Hooker /(insert alternate spud) + 2nd round pick.

As for Caddy refusing to play anywhere but Essendon - not going to happen. He is a footballer living the dream, he may want to return to Melbourne but when push comes to shove he will play for any Melbourne team. PSD is not an option as he knows GWS would snap him up without hesitation and if he nominates for the ND, he will not make it past the early teens.

Reality is that if Essendon want Caddy they will need to trade a very good player. Forget Hooker, Pears, Monfries, Gumbledon, Hille - these names are not even in the ballpark. Someone like Carlile, Bellchambers or Crameri packaged with their 2nd might get the 1st rounder required but that would be weakening one area of the list to strengthen another - I can't see it happening.

I think Richmond with pick 9, Carlton with pick 11, Melbourne with 13? and Geelong with their compo pick are the front runners.

 

[Madblue]

um.. lets leave the big Q in the rack please. If we don't get Cloke, then full steam ahead with Levi, Squidda and Rowe.

You can't be serious Our window is open NOW !!!!

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Re Lynch:

Everyone laughed when Uncle Mick bought in Leigh Brown.

 

[Buzz/Sticks/bryce]

You can't be serious Our window is open NOW !!!!

I'm a little underwhelmed by Lynch personally, not sure what he can bring to the table the other 3 can't, other than more games under the belt.

 

[Pratt = Premiers]

Re Lynch:

Everyone laughed when Uncle Mick bought in Leigh Brown.

Spot on, everyone on here who thinks Lynch is a short term view; just imagine it as trading Thornton for Lynch; that is effectively what we are doing - similar money, similar age, similar position.

Reality is Mitchell and McCarthy are a 2-3 year prospect; Waite is injury prone and Casboult is a great mark who can't kick. Lynch will cost us nothing and fill a hole for a couple of years until Mitchell and/or McCarthy can hold down a key post.

In the event we get Cloke, which seems wishful thinking, but anyway; well we have a 5-7 year prospect which is exactly what we could only imagine to get out of Casboult or Mitchell; if one leaves then so be it.

 

[Stamos]

Essendon will end up with Caddy

How?

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

In the event we get Cloke, which seems wishful thinking, but anyway; well we have a 5-7 year prospect which is exactly what we could only imagine to get out of Casboult or Mitchell; if one leaves then so be it.

I'd pack Mitchell or Casboult's bags if it meant getting Cloke.

 

[Weiterbot23]

I'd pack Mitchell or Casboult's bags if it meant getting Cloke.

Q Lynch and Caddy >>>>> Cloke

Q Lynch and Waite could keep the key forward spots warm for mitchell + levi for the next 2 years

Caddy will be a gun could be a AA mid.

Cloke is a w@nker

 

[Jeremias]

Cloke is a w@nker

Is that a link to Fevola's email address?