The "We must get Tom Lynch at all costs...or maybe not" Thread

[MyManLynch]

Gill McLachlan said Bucks shouldn't have said it...….he was on before Bucks.

So basically its better to lie.

Yes the entire Free Agency thing is a fiasco.
Clubs have to lie.
Players have to lie or not tell the entire truth.
Robbo on 360 last night was spot on...F.A negotiations are a circus, how does Tom talk to his GC team mates now?
Half of them probable think he is BS..ing them.
Can break friendships, create distrust, frustrating for all concerned.
It’s a mess.

 

[CFC2010]

lol we are such a sensitive country.
For a country so "developed" and "accepting" we seem to be miles behind the rest of the world when it comes to common sense, maturity and understanding in terms of being honest.

Nathan should not have apologised.

Essentially, this is why the football public loses trust and confidence in the game and the rest of its stakeholders because a man cannot answer a direct question, with a direct and truthful answer, so basically we are requesting that they "lie" to us.

Embarrassing and childish that grown adults cannot act like it.

This article sums up how backward our professional sport is.

Nrth Melb
AFL free agents have nothing to gain from revealing intentions before season over: Higgins
GLENN McFARLANE, Herald Sun
July 24, 2018 5:50pm
Subscriber only

• SHAUN Higgins believes the AFL industry is still “years down the track” from free agents announcing they were changing clubs during the course of a season, saying the negatives still outweigh the positives of such transparency.
  
  One of the great free agent success stories, Higgins switched from Western Bulldogs to North Melbourne at the end of the 2014 season, but had made up his mind to leave Whitten Oval well before it happened.
  
  But as he prepares for his 200th game on Sunday against West Coast at Blundstone Area, the 30-year-old says the AFL isn’t ready for free agents to nominate their intentions to move while still playing for clubs they are preparing to depart.
  
  “At the moment, I just don’t see what’s gained by coming out (with a decision to move),” Higgins said when asked about free agency.
  
  Tom Lynch is almost certain to leave Gold Coast, but has yet to make an announcement on his intentions, even though he has had season-ending knee surgery.
  
  Other free agents considering their options include West Coast’s Andrew Gaff and Bulldog Luke Dahlhaus.
  
  “Everyone is in a slightly different situation because some guys genuinely don’t know 100 per cent their decision before the end of the year; some guys have had two or three options; and some guys clearly have made up their mind.
  
  “It is tough … potentially years down the track we will (have more transparency), but at the moment, I can’t see it happening.”
  

 

[HFF]

I'm not even sure he apologised, just merely regretted letting the interview on Footy Classified get to the point where the question could be asked.

I think the main thing is that Bucks is concerned that his comment - making it categorically certain that Lynch is meeting with one or more parties during the season - threatens Lynch's reputation as a current GCS captain.

Now, if Tommy unfollows Pendles off instagram, that's when we panic!

Threatens his reputation?
Please.

It's round 18 and his club is still in the dark, so lets not kid ourselves his "reputation as GC captain" actually means anything in the current circumstances.
His season was finished a few weeks ago.
He's not playing out on the field representing his club.

Integrity is defined as the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
If you're doing something that threatens that, even if secretly, you have no right to play the victim card and claim any damage to reputation.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

This article sums up how backward our professional sport is.

Nrth Melb
AFL free agents have nothing to gain from revealing intentions before season over: Higgins
GLENN McFARLANE, Herald Sun
July 24, 2018 5:50pm
Subscriber only

• SHAUN Higgins believes the AFL industry is still “years down the track” from free agents announcing they were changing clubs during the course of a season, saying the negatives still outweigh the positives of such transparency.
  
  One of the great free agent success stories, Higgins switched from Western Bulldogs to North Melbourne at the end of the 2014 season, but had made up his mind to leave Whitten Oval well before it happened.
  
  But as he prepares for his 200th game on Sunday against West Coast at Blundstone Area, the 30-year-old says the AFL isn’t ready for free agents to nominate their intentions to move while still playing for clubs they are preparing to depart.
  
  “At the moment, I just don’t see what’s gained by coming out (with a decision to move),” Higgins said when asked about free agency.
  
  Tom Lynch is almost certain to leave Gold Coast, but has yet to make an announcement on his intentions, even though he has had season-ending knee surgery.
  
  Other free agents considering their options include West Coast’s Andrew Gaff and Bulldog Luke Dahlhaus.
  
  “Everyone is in a slightly different situation because some guys genuinely don’t know 100 per cent their decision before the end of the year; some guys have had two or three options; and some guys clearly have made up their mind.
  
  “It is tough … potentially years down the track we will (have more transparency), but at the moment, I can’t see it happening.”

Levendi, the sport is still run and dominated by idiots living in the 70's. Have a look at Robbo crapping on about Lynch not being able to look his teammates and mates in the eye when he goes back. FFS, they all know that he's leaving at the end of the year. The players get it, why don't others? The Pies players would have known that Daisy was out the door and you reckon that his relationship with them suffered because of it? Nah.

 

[Piestration]

It may also be the case that Bucks new exactly what he was saying.

Maybe Lynch's price has gone way above what we wanted to pay and Bucks is making sure the Tigers pay even more by acknowledging that we and other Vic teams are very interested and silly not to pursue Lynch.

 

[CFC2010]

Levendi, the sport is still run and dominated by idiots living in the 70's. Have a look at Robbo crapping on. The Pies players would have known that Daisy was out the door and you reckon that his relationship with them suffered because of it? Nah.

Pendles couldn't get him out quick enough!

 

[Maggie5]

Haven't heard what he said re apology, but isn't there some agreement about not talking (or admitting) to players who are still under contract?
Aren't most contracts valid until October? Unless of course the club (GC) has agreed.

Didn't we or another club get into trouble before for this or am I mixing it up with something else?

 

[CFC2010]

Haven't heard what he said re apology, but isn't there some agreement about not talking (or admitting) to players who are still under contract?
Aren't most contracts valid until October? Unless of course the club (GC) has agreed.

Didn't we or another club get into trouble before for this or am I mixing it up with something else?

We got in "trouble" last year by the Doggies.

Its just an unwritten rule Maggie5. The AFL is just not mature enough to accept that it happens all year.

 

[wicksy]

Pendles couldn't get him out quick enough!


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Please don't hurt me Scotty....

 

[Fruit]

I'm not even sure he apologised, just merely regretted letting the interview on Footy Classified get to the point where the question could be asked.

I think the main thing is that Bucks is concerned that his comment - making it categorically certain that Lynch is meeting with one or more parties during the season - threatens Lynch's reputation as a current GCS captain.

Now, if Tommy unfollows Pendles off instagram, that's when we panic!

Exactly

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

I've read some say that the fact Lynch barracked for the Pies won't matter because Adams barracked for Geelong and he still chose us over them.
I know why Adams didn't choose Geelong. He just didn't want to see this every time he shanked a kick.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Haven't heard what he said re apology, but isn't there some agreement about not talking (or admitting) to players who are still under contract?
Aren't most contracts valid until October? Unless of course the club (GC) has agreed.

Didn't we or another club get into trouble before for this or am I mixing it up with something else?

You're probably thinking of the Lin Jong blowup.

Everyone does it - we're the only ones who get caught

 

[good4footy]

There is a difference between not agreeing with the current process, needing to grow up (which I agree we need to do) and what Bucks regrets.

The system is the way it is currently and he feels regret for being caught out and throwing another person that met with him in good faith, under the bus. Personally i believe the process where things are kept quiet is childish, but i would be filthy if any future employer let my current employer know they had interviewed me. As would most of us i'd say.

When i was kid there was a story that when Leigh Matthews found out that Mark Williams was shopping himself around whilst Pies captain, he got rid of him. Williams begged to be kept but Lethal apparently said i can't have a culture where my Captain thinks it is okay to look elsewhere. Long time ago and we have moved on from there but still need to get to the place where we are all adults.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

There is a difference between not agreeing with the current process, needing to grow up (which I agree we need to do) and what Bucks regrets.

The system is the way it is currently and he feels regret for being caught out and throwing another person that met with him in good faith, under the bus. Personally i believe the process where things are kept quiet is childish, but i would be filthy if any future employer let my current employer know they had interviewed me. As would most of us i'd say.

When i was kid there was a story that when Leigh Matthews found out that Mark Williams was shopping himself around whilst Pies captain, he got rid of him. Williams begged to be kept but Lethal apparently said i can't have a culture where my Captain thinks it is okay to look elsewhere. Long time ago and we have moved on from there but still need to get to the place where we are all adults.

What if the current employer knows that you're leaving and has given the green light?

 

[good4footy]

What if the current employer knows that you're leaving and has given the green light?

Absolutely. I guess the folly of my example is that my current employer would not have a brand issue to deal with. The current system is the way it is and part of it is the brand issue and messaging that needs to be manage. All that can be changed so it stops being an issue but one that currently exists.

GC would know he is meeting with clubs but would also like to be discreet with the way things are currently. My post really was clarifying the difference between the childish way we deal with things and also what Bucks may regret about his answer - letting Lynch down.

Edit - 'absolutely' refers to agreeing with your statement.

 

[Scodog10]

Gee, this is a funny place. Rumours abound and I don't see any need to shoot the messenger. You can believe it or not.
BEEG has had good mail in the past.

I really don't care whether Lynch comes or goes to Richmond as would much rather make a play for a backman like May (would have loved WC McGoven).

That is where our greatest need lies in my opinion.

Between BEEG’s and your post there were exactly two posts that didn’t immediately buy BEEG’s “mail”. Mine and Pragmatic Shrills. Neither of us rebuffed the comments and PS went so far as to buy in on Lynch to Richmond. All either of us did is note that getting mail on JDG re-signing two weeks out wasn’t exactly strong justification for BEEG’s mailman’s work. You found something that wasn’t there on this one, IMO.

 

[Maggie5]

Between BEEG’s and your post there were exactly two posts that didn’t immediately buy BEEG’s “mail”. Mine and Pragmatic Shrills. Neither of us rebuffed the comments and PS went so far as to buy in on Lynch to Richmond. All either of us did is note that getting mail on JDG re-signing two weeks out wasn’t exactly strong justification for BEEG’s mailman’s work. You found something that wasn’t there on this one, IMO.

Not really, you just replied to exactly the point I was trying to make. Who cares? I don't, whether accurate or not.
Don't believe it? Move on is my motto.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

Absolutely. I guess the folly of my example is that my current employer would not have a brand issue to deal with. The current system is the way it is and part of it is the brand issue and messaging that needs to be manage. All that can be changed so it stops being an issue but one that currently exists.

GC would know he is meeting with clubs but would also like to be discreet with the way things are currently. My post really was clarifying the difference between the childish way we deal with things and also what Bucks may regret about his answer and that was letting Lynch down.

Spot on
On another note, I have an issue with the rank hypocrisy demonstrated by clubs, media and the AFL.
Club : We're not happy about our players being approached during the season.
*same club has been courting a superstar from GWS for two years*
Media: Such and such is in front in the quest to attain the signature of a superstar.
*Then writes and opinion piece saying that speaking to other clubs while you're in contract is akin to treason*
AFL: We don't want rival clubs meeting with players during the season while they're in contract.
*Turns a blind eye to cellar dwellers and franchisees courting players two years out from the end of a contract*

 

[Scodog10]

Not really, you just replied to exactly the point I was trying to make. Who cares? I don't, whether accurate or not.
Don't believe it? Move on is my motto.

Did you or did you not use the term “I don’t see the need to shoot the messenger”? I largely agree believe it or don’t who cares. If you feel strongly about your new motto surely you’d like to clarify why you used those words when that hasn’t taken place? I’m assuming you simply erred with that turn of phrase

 

[good4footy]

Spot on
On another note, I have an issue with the rank hypocrisy demonstrated by clubs, media and the AFL.
Club : We're not happy about our players being approached during the season.
*same club has been courting a superstar from GWS for two years*
Media: Such and such is in front in the quest to attain the signature of a superstar.
*Then writes and opinion piece saying that speaking to other clubs while you're in contract is akin to treason*
AFL: We don't want rival clubs meeting with players during the season while they're in contract.
*Turns a blind eye to cellar dwellers and franchisees courting players two years out from the end of a contract*

Futher...AFL actually help franchisees get those players and help them make appropriate appointments (Mark Evans)

 

[Maggie5]

Did you or did you not use the term “I don’t see the need to shoot the messenger”? I largely agree believe it or don’t who cares. If you feel strongly enough about your new motto surely you to clarify why you used those words when that hasn’t taken place? I’m assuming you simply erred with that turn of phrase

It is not just BEEG, it happens many times when other posters post about something they have heard. I was not singling you out as 'shooting the messenger'...

I have often received info from a past player and ex Pies VFL player but rarely post as who needs the flak? Not me.

Time to move on, really don't see this as big an issue as you seem to be making and I was just posting my opinion.

 

[PhiloBeddoe]

That’s not mail! Every man and his dog knew JDG was staying on a 2-3 year deal. Mail was unknown identity (I think) telling us Sam Mitchell to WC a month out. Lynch to Richmond isn’t mail either.

Not mail because everyone seems to think that anyway?

 

[Scodog10]

It is not just BEEG, it happens many times when other posters post about something they have heard. I was not singling you out as 'shooting the messenger'...

I have often received info from a past player and ex Pies VFL player but rarely post as who needs the flak? Not me.

Time to move on, really don't see this as big an issue as you seem to be making and I was just posting my opinion.

That sucks and all, but I’d like some clarification given I see those particular comments as an issue. I mean if I say my partners jeans aren’t fitting right, but I really don’t see it as an issue do you think she’s going to cop that? From my perspective it spins it as me not endorsing BEEG’s right to comment which is incorrect.

The issue I have is that I’d like to know what it was about our posts that lead you to that comment? I can then use that to learn moving forward to prevent similar outcomes.

 

[CFC2010]

Futher...AFL actually help franchisees get those players and help them make appropriate appointments (Mark Evans)

Are you sure about that?

 

[Scodog10]

Not mail because everyone seems to think that anyway?

No because it was widely reported by then. The only media source that hadn’t picked up on it was Tom Browne