The Worsfold coaching situation mega-thread, part 2

[Prem87]

In today's Herald Sun it mentioned that

"West Coast has once again launched a bold bid to lure Leigh Colbert into coaching. The Fox Sports commentator is said to be considering an assistant coaching role at the Eagles."

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

Geoffe doesn't like it when facts get in the way of his rants

I don't see any facts on the table, mate. All i see is the usual suspects following me around the boards, getting pre menstrual and having a massive hue and cry ... again ... because i posted something they can't handle. You call what i say "rants" and suggest that i am the one that is emotional and out of control wheras it's actually you and your crew of losers that follows me around the boards constantly and is constantly having to fall back on insults and attacking the man and wants to continue arguments untill the end of the earth instead of accepting that the way life is is there is always going to be be people with different opinions to yours. It's not me following you around is? So i think the emotion driven behaviour and rants might apply more you to your mob.

If you want to talk about facts then list all the players turned over from the eagles senior list in the last 3 years and then show us stats from the rest of the comp and therefore demonstrate that we have turned over significantly more than the average number of players. Thats what facts are and i don't see any so far.

And by the way, note i said players off the senior list. Don't try and cheat and pad it with players from the rookie list like Obeanie did. Rookie lists don't count. Rookie lists are highly speculative, 90% of players don't make it and therfore there is lots of turnover on rookie lists and we are talking about turnover as in turnoving players that have played for us, not players that might have played for us some day in the future if they ever got on to our senior list. More than 50% is the number quoted here which would mean 20 players off our senior list. Thats 7 a year off our senior list for the last 3 years. I'm waiting for the names ... Without having looked at any AFL records i would suggest the number is more like 12-14 players which would be not significantly more than the AFL average by a long shot.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

I don't see any facts on the table, mate.

Certainly not from any of your posts

If you want to talk about facts then list all the players turned over from the eagles senior list in the last 3 years and then show us stats from the rest of the comp and therefore demonstrate that we have turned over significantly more than the average number of players. Thats what facts are and i don't see any so far.

Do your own dirty work and you go work it out for yourself - and show that someone is wrong - you can't at the moment, because brad hardie hasn't told you.

how about you back up an argument with something other than brad hardie gossip?

keep punching geoffe, keep looking them all in the eye and keep tuning into brad hardie!

 

[SwiftforPM]

I don't see any facts on the table, mate. All i see is the usual suspects following me around the boards, getting pre menstrual and having a massive hue and cry ... again ... because i posted something they can't handle. You call what i say "rants" and suggest that i am the one that is emotional and out of control wheras it's actually you and your crew of losers that follows me around the boards constantly and is constantly having to fall back on insults and attacking the man and wants to continue arguments untill the end of the earth instead of accepting that the way life is is there is always going to be be people with different opinions to yours. It's not me following you around is? So i think the emotion driven behaviour and rants might apply more you to your mob.

If you want to talk about facts then list all the players turned over from the eagles senior list in the last 3 years and then show us stats from the rest of the comp and therefore demonstrate that we have turned over significantly more than the average number of players. Thats what facts are and i don't see any so far.

And by the way, note i said players off the senior list. Don't try and cheat and pad it with players from the rookie list like Obeanie did. Rookie lists don't count. Rookie lists are highly speculative, 90% of players don't make it and therfore there is lots of turnover on rookie lists and we are talking about turnover as in turnoving players that have played for us, not players that might have played for us some day in the future if they ever got on to our senior list. More than 50% is the number quoted here which would mean 20 players off our senior list. Thats 7 a year off our senior list for the last 3 years. I'm waiting for the names ... Without having looked at any AFL records i would suggest the number is more like 12-14 players which would be not significantly more than the AFL average by a long shot.

Another normal post from you GM = long winded rant Blah, Blah, Blah, followed by input of your very limited knowledge of the club.
2007; Chick, Rowan Jones, Judd, Morton, Sampi, Wooden, Cousins
2008; Thomson, Chad Jones, Armstrong, Graham, Braun
2009; Fletcher, Hunter, Mcnamara, Seaby, Staker, Stenglein, Wirrpanda, and Ryan Davis (I think he was on the main list)

I think you'll find that adds up to 20, NOT 12-14.
You're a Nuff Nuff.

 

[Big Rene]

In today's Herald Sun it mentioned that

"West Coast has once again launched a bold bid to lure Leigh Colbert into coaching. The Fox Sports commentator is said to be considering an assistant coaching role at the Eagles."

Why? What's he got to offer as a coach apart from a celebrity profile as bit part commentator with Fox Sports?

 

[Underdog]

Why? What's he got to offer as a coach apart from a celebrity profile as bit part commentator with Fox Sports?

That didn't stop people blowing their load when we signed Vossy...

 

[SwiftforPM]

Why? What's he got to offer as a coach apart from a celebrity profile as bit part commentator with Fox Sports?

You seem to write with such authority on the issue why don't you give us a detailed response as to why/why not?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

That didn't stop people blowing their load when we signed Vossy...

Voss couldn't commentate and he cant coach.
Colbert can commentate and he c................

 

[Big Rene]

You seem to write with such authority on the issue why don't you give us a detailed response as to why/why not?

I don't have a detailed response. As far as I know he has not been an assistant at AFL level or have other significant coaching experience. If you think he would be a good choice can you tell me why? My response has to do with picking up "big names" to cover over clear deficiencies and substituting appearance for substance.

 

[Big Rene]

That didn't stop people blowing their load when we signed Vossy...

I'd like to think we're learning from the past.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

We need experienced coaches from Victoria preferably. Those who have coached for 3 or more years, not these guys from the media or from other fields. O'Donnell would be great start plus a few others who are available at the moment. Mark Riley comes to mind.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Get Mick.

Matches the plan with the right cattle and gets players to play their role within a 22.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103603/default.aspx

 

[SwiftforPM]

I don't have a detailed response. As far as I know he has not been an assistant at AFL level or have other significant coaching experience. If you think he would be a good choice can you tell me why? My response has to do with picking up "big names" to cover over clear deficiencies and substituting appearance for substance.

What does having a role in the media have to do with anything, Sheedy loved the media and coached a few premierships.
So it's OK if we go after small names?
I can see something written above with no substance and a few deficiencies.

 

[GO EAGLES]

Get Mick.

Matches the plan with the right cattle and gets players to play their role within a 22.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103603/default.aspx

Many Eagles fans were fooled into thinking Mick was not such a good coach as well. I was pissing myself laughing
The same thing is happenening with Worsfold.

Woosh is pretty good.
Although I felt he did some bizzare things this year. However I am not a coach and the fact that there is again a good tough attitude amoangst the young players again, I think we will get back.
The club needs a bit of space to get everything running smoothly again.

In 1999, The Eagles were on top 11-1 and then 11-3 before the Mick Malthouse
"will or wont he lave" started and Eagles could not win to save themselves cause of the media attention.

THe laughing starts here.
Alot of the drive came from the young recruits Cousins, Gehrig, Reid, Morrison, Embley Williams, Jones, Wirrpunda was devastating in the back pocket, Phil Matera.
They were premiership favourites mid year and maybe a new Dynatsy was touted.

It was the sudden change to a foreign game plan that helped the demise in 2001 2002, and a natural bottoming out.

But of course the media twisted the perspective and 3 grand finals in 11 years at Collingwood has made bullsh-t look silly.
Bad judgements are made when players are treated as disposable robots.
Its amazing in my opinion how fans are taking the Seminar Season of 2008 into account as far as Worsfolds coaching record is concerned.
Its as dumb as saying Mick Malthouse is not a good coach.
At least he is interesting to listen to, hey hey

 

[The Magenius]

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Its amazing in my opinion how fans are taking the Seminar Season of 2008 into account as far as Worsfolds coaching record is concerned.

Yeah cause worsfold was not trying to win games, develop the players or develop a game plan that year.

 

[Pat_Footy]

Is anybody else as excited about the Eagle's future as I am?

I just can't look past the young players coming through. Looking back on 02/03 it should have been obvious that the team was star-studded and it was only a matter of time. I can't help but get the same feeling watching highlights and looking at the player list.

Mitch Brown, Shannon Hurn, Josh Kennedy, Mark Lecras, Eric Mackenzie, Nic Naitanui, Scott Selwood, Chris Masten, Luke Shuey, Brad Ebert, Brad Sheppard, pick 4.

Just naming a few of the young-mid aged players. These are all very very talented players. Its just a matter of time.

 

[kranky al]

Is anybody else as excited about the Eagle's future as I am?

I just can't look past the young players coming through. Looking back on 02/03 it should have been obvious that the team was star-studded and it was only a matter of time. I can't help but get the same feeling watching highlights and looking at the player list.

Mitch Brown, Shannon Hurn, Josh Kennedy, Mark Lecras, Eric Mackenzie, Nic Naitanui, Scott Selwood, Chris Masten, Luke Shuey, Brad Ebert, Brad Sheppard, pick 4.

Just naming a few of the young-mid aged players. These are all very very talented players. Its just a matter of time.

watching collingwood win this w/e has given me renewed hope - they are a champion team rather than a team of champions - we need to focus on skills and fitness this year

be nice to get one more star out of the no 4 pick and yeah - i have hope for the future.

 

[Pat_Footy]

I've still got that view as well (Collingwood no stars). Next year is a clean slate for many clubs and I do not predict a Collingwood dynasty. They had a gameplan that took the competition by storm but clubs will adapt just as they did to Geelong's handball frenzy. I believe the Eagles are building a dominant team that will be up for a number of years and not be at the mercy of tactics employed by all the clubs throughout a season. It's easy to say all this without any logic but i'm basing it all on the players that have been recruited.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Mitch Brown, Shannon Hurn, Josh Kennedy, Mark Lecras, Eric Mackenzie, Nic Naitanui, Scott Selwood, Chris Masten, Luke Shuey, Brad Ebert, Brad Sheppard, pick 4.

Hard to be excited about someone we don't even know - who i've never seen play football.

 

[Pat_Footy]

Yeah thats fair. I was just really impressed with the eagles' recruitment of Sheppard at 7 last year. Pick 4 won't be wasted and will most probably nab a player that can be mentioned with these players. Next month we'll know who that player is.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Is anybody else as excited about the Eagle's future as I am?

I just can't look past the young players coming through. Looking back on 02/03 it should have been obvious that the team was star-studded and it was only a matter of time. I can't help but get the same feeling watching highlights and looking at the player list.

Mitch Brown, Shannon Hurn, Josh Kennedy, Mark Lecras, Eric Mackenzie, Nic Naitanui, Scott Selwood, Chris Masten, Luke Shuey, Brad Ebert, Brad Sheppard, pick 4.

Just naming a few of the young-mid aged players. These are all very very talented players. Its just a matter of time.

Like your optimism, the players I have bolded though have all been in the system for sometime now and only one of them you can consider an A Grade player.
Outside of Lecras who is an A Grader only Shepherd looks like he could be an A Grader.

You must have many A Grade players to build a premiership side and we simply don't have them.
Hurn is possibly on the cusp???

Yes I know you will come back and speak about their age, but seriously Kennedy has been in the system for 3-4 years as has Masten and Ebert.

These players are not kids anymore, they are seasoned AFL listed players and need to perform as such without the excuses for them.

We make way to many excuses for our younger players and we have to stop doing it. They need to stand up and perform or move on.
Unfortunately I am not sure really how good they are because our coach does not let them play with their natural instincts, but right now he is the coach so we can only judge what we see.

What we see is not much to get excited about in my view.

 

[kranky al]

for us to get anywhere our midfield needs to step up - i think our forward line and backline are going to be better than 05 06 in time - it comes down to whether masten etc come up - or stay as they are - we need to recruit a superstar in this draft or the next or hope that one of our recruits of recent becomes a superstar either that or the wheels will fall off.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

You don't just need a good coach to be a good club you need a good chairman, good chief executive, good assistant coaches and good players. Geelong and Collingwood have all these as we did during the 90's. Barnaba was a idiot, Nisbett is a disgrace, our assistants know nothing and our playing list is disjointed and of course our coach lacks abillity in every key area. Hopefully over the next few years these positions will be given to the right people, Cransberg is new this year so hopefully he gets it right.

 

[Bacchus]

What does having a role in the media have to do with anything, Sheedy loved the media and coached a few premierships.
So it's OK if we go after small names?
I can see something written above with no substance and a few deficiencies.

You haven't given any reason why Colbert would be a good coach. Lack of substance? In watching Colbert on TV he seems to like the "clown" role, good potential coaches such as James Hird are more serious TV personalities. I know this won't be substantial enough for you but you're not providing any substance either.

 

[SwiftforPM]

You haven't given any reason why Colbert would be a good coach. Lack of substance? In watching Colbert on TV he seems to like the "clown" role, good potential coaches such as James Hird are more serious TV personalities. I know this won't be substantial enough for you but you're not providing any substance either.

Ya mean like Sheedy serious?
So from your reasoning he will never be a good coach because he's not serious enough on TV. OK.
I have neither said he would be a good coach or a bad coach, I merely responded to someone else's opinion that he wouldn't. Which was based on a similar rationale to yours.
Was Matthew Knights serious enough for you?
The Martians must have landed, sorry can't say that it's not serious enough. An AFL coach would never make a comment like that.