The Worst Trade Ever

[tombomb]

You're battling here mate

battling with what?

You said there was no opportunity for Essendon to double dip. I don't know if you noticed but last night the bid for Kako came after where Essendon's selection was. So that is exactly what they would have been able to do.

Even if St Kilda had bid, which they wouldn't have, you had 6 weeks to plan for live trades so that you got something for pick 9. North just gave their f1 for 27. You would have had 15 clubs queueing up making you offers for pick 9.

Instead your rookie list manager panicked.

 

[faible]

so that you got something for pick 9

We did.

Essendon traded out: 9, 44 (F3), 53 (Stringer).

And got: 5 (F1), 32, 35, 37, 47, 54, 65

So out 2064 points, in 4093 points.

I think we did fine.

We entered the draft with 1 x 1st, 1 x 2nd and no third.

We'll leave taking 1 x 1st, 2 x 2nds, 1 x 3rd (assuming nothing changes) and with an extra F1 in-hand for next year.

As I said, you're really battling.

 

[Lars27]

battling with what?

You said there was no opportunity for Essendon to double dip. I don't know if you noticed but last night the bid for Kako came after where Essendon's selection was. So that is exactly what they would have been able to do.

Even if St Kilda had bid, which they wouldn't have, you had 6 weeks to plan for live trades so that you got something for pick 9. North just gave their f1 for 27. You would have had 15 clubs queueing up making you offers for pick 9.

Instead your rookie list manager panicked.

Ending up with a F1 and picks 37/39/43 in a deep draft is far from a bad outcome though.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Who was that player Carlton did the same thing for a few years ago? I'm pretty sure that was a spectacular failure.


I thought we should of just kept it and not matched a bid on Kako if it came, but we traded pick 9 for probably around pick 9 next year and basically all of Melbourne's other picks this year. Much better than trading 1 for 27 and 29.

The Carlton trade was for Liam Stocker. The crows gave us pick 19 in 2018 which we used on Stocker. In return we swapped future 1st rounders in 2019. Crows got pick 4 and we got pick 9. Crows ended up moving around and drafted McAsey (who was a spectacular bust) at 6 and we traded down with the pick 9 that we had and ended up with Kemp (still going) and Philp (gone) .

So it was hardly a spectacular failure, although who knows what would have happened if teams took their original picks. Stocker, Kemp and Philp for McAsey. Crows did trade down for pick 6 and pick 4 was used on Ash. Picks before 9 included Serong and Young though.

 

[tombomb]

We did.



As I said, you're really battling.

You do understand there is live trading and you could have traded pick 9 on the night if st kilda had bid on Kako?

 

[faible]

You do understand there is live trading and you could have traded pick 9 on the night if st kilda had bid on Kako?

We almost certainly wouldn’t have been able to convert the live trade in to the value we did.

As it stands we’ll take 4 picks inside 43 this draft without compromising our draft next year.

 

[raskolnikov]

You do understand there is live trading and you could have traded pick 9 on the night if st kilda had bid on Kako?

Jog along. Even if what you're saying is true it's nowhere in the vicinity of the worst trade of all time.

 

[tombomb]

Jog along. Even if what you're saying is true it's nowhere in the vicinity of the worst trade of all time.

Where am I jogging to?

I didn't say it was the worst trade of all time.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Are we all just ignoring Essendon giving up pick 9 this year?
Surely you trade it up a spot or two to grab a top 10 talent and Kako

I didn't know a lot about this Kako chap so looked him up

Sure enough a lightly built forward

Classic Essendon

 

[Lsta062]

The North trade looks bad on the surface, but not so much when you take a few things into consideration.

1. They've had plenty of first round picks the past few years, including FOS last night.
2. We have no idea how good Whitlock could turn out to be. If he's projects like Josh Weddle then all will be forgiven.
3. Even if they finish 17th next season (and Richmond 18th), then they have (without bids etc) picks 19 and 20.
If they let LDU walk for the compo they're straight back into pick 3 alongside those selections. If they don't then they hold the all important 'first pick of the second night' and will likely receive plenty of offers for it to improve their hand elsewhere.
4. If they manage to improve enough next season to climb up the ladder then nobody will care either.


If Whitlock is a bust AND North are dead bottom again next season then the trade will likely be viewed as a monumental failure.

Too many ifs is why this is a bad trade IMO. If it all aligns then yes, it’s not a bad trade. But the likelihood of it all aligning is slimmer than the trade backfiring.

I just don’t think a rebuilding club like North should be taking risks like this. I guess they just have to back their team to rise

 

[Blackhawk42]

Disagree.

Twomey also disagreed. Between Twomey and Ablett, I know which one I'd go with.

Is it Twomey?

The Essendon nuffie who said Sam Durham is 'the face of the 2021 mid season rookie draft'.

Yes, the same draft involving Jai Newcombe.

And yes, this was an article he posted in the middle of THIS season.

 

[faible]

Is it Twomey?

The Essendon nuffie who said Sam Durham is 'the face of the 2021 mid season rookie draft'.

Yes, the same draft involving Jai Newcombe.

And yes, this was an article he posted in the middle of THIS season.

Yep, that Twomey who has a tonne of connections with actual clubs. I’d take half of BigFooty poster to provide better analysis and connections than Mick Ablett.

 

[bungalow_bill]

We did.



As I said, you're really battling.

Only difference is you double dip next year instead. And the Dees may implode giving you a top 3 pick.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Pick 2 for Weller is a serious contender.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Pick 2 for Weller is a serious contender.

Weller has still played 90+ games and kicked 30 goals for suns.
If 2 was a flop it would be fine
But Brayshaw is an AA ,MVP, bnf winner that sets a standard around the club which suns were crying out for.
So it looks awful

 

[tiger_tough]

Our trade for Yarran was pretty ****in bad.

Imagine we had a peak Yarran off half back with Houli during the dynasty

 

[Westlo]

I didn't know a lot about this Kako chap so looked him up

Sure enough a lightly built forward

Classic Essendon

You're wasted your time on here to the tune of 40k posts, follow geelong who is one of the best examples of having dominant small forwards and your reaction to essendon getting an nga small forward regarded as the best in the draft is..

"classic essendon"

Filling a list need that hasn't been touched since Ruttens last season is classic essendon? are you stupid or something?

 

[Yoda_]

battling with what?

You said there was no opportunity for Essendon to double dip. I don't know if you noticed but last night the bid for Kako came after where Essendon's selection was. So that is exactly what they would have been able to do.

Even if St Kilda had bid, which they wouldn't have, you had 6 weeks to plan for live trades so that you got something for pick 9. North just gave their f1 for 27. You would have had 15 clubs queueing up making you offers for pick 9.

Instead your rookie list manager panicked.

lol, just lol


Everyone knew Essendon was matching so tried to bend them over, we took up an incredibly good and generous offer so we didn't have to panic on the day.



IF we keep 9, a few people in the media have expressed information that a bid would have been made prior to 9

so in fact, other clubs were panicked out of it. not Essendon

 

[Yoda_]

Is it Twomey?

The Essendon nuffie who said Sam Durham is 'the face of the 2021 mid season rookie draft'.

Yes, the same draft involving Jai Newcombe.

And yes, this was an article he posted in the middle of THIS season.

this is such a shit take.

Its like saying you have no place commenting on football because you go for North

 

[Yoda_]

Last nights two contributors to this thread.

- North trading a probable top 5 pick for pick 19 and pick 27

- Essendon trading out of a super draft top 10 thinking a club will bid on a small forward in their academy, which didnt come until the mid teens.

Both 10/10 bad decisions.

yep, Essendon garnering an extra top 10 pick for free was horrendous business..

FWIW, before the off season we started with

two x firsts (Ess 2024, Ess 2025)
two seconds (Ess 2024, Ess 2025)

Ended the off season with
3 x firsts (Kako, Ess 2025 first, Melbourne 2025 first)
4 x seconds (Clarke, Gerryn, Ess 2025, St.Kilda)


all for the token value of moving out Jake Stringer and shifting a bunch of later selections around... If you think this is bad business, I would hate to see your business acumen

 

[Yoda_]

You should start listening to him because he is right.

Your team had multiple options with Kako. Panicked and took the worst one.

IS that the same Mick Ablett who was lambasted across plenty of platforms for his (shit) take and doubled down on night two?

 

[Yoda_]

Are we all just ignoring Essendon giving up pick 9 this year?
Surely you trade it up a spot or two to grab a top 10 talent and Kako

You're a wise head, surely you can figure out the sum of all parts and see it was a viable off season for Essendon



Not only did we get a first rounder for free (2025) but we made a play that made friends and stopped a bid coming before our first (St.Kilda moved up the second round, didn't bid on Kako).

 

[Yoda_]

The other thing about our first pick was the players actually taken.

Lindsay is not what we need
Tahru was not what we need
Hotton a possibility although we need talent in the door now so probably would be overlooked anyway

Maybe reach for Jonty Faull
Another small fwd in Joe Berry? doubtful although we did take another later in the draft


so in the whole hyperbole of keep pick 9 etc etc. players taken weren't really what wended and trading up sounds like it was incredibly unlikely of happening.

 

[Rich01]

The other thing about our first pick was the players actually taken.

Lindsay is not what we need
Tahru was not what we need
Hotton a possibility although we need talent in the door now so probably would be overlooked anyway

Maybe reach for Jonty Faull
Another small fwd in Joe Berry? doubtful although we did take another later in the draft


so in the whole hyperbole of keep pick 9 etc etc. players taken weren't really what wended and trading up sounds like it was incredibly unlikely of happening.

Hahaha Essendons list is so stacked they don’t need a top ten pick???

The arrogance of Essendon supporters is well known, but this is delusional.

 

[Yoda_]

Hahaha Essendons list is so stacked they don’t need a top ten pick???

The arrogance of Essendon supporters is well known, but this is delusional.

According to lots on here Kako was a certain top 10 talent


which one is it ?