Roast Things that Irk and Pet Peeves

[cats_09]

The stupid Lore's Provisional 2023 AFL Draft Picks at the top of every page of the Rumours GFC 2023 Player Trading posts.
We know Geelong have bugger all picks, put this in the trade thread after the season not on every page of the trading article during the season
.

It's a sticky'd post, which means it'll appear at the top of each page

The post has been available for most of the year and only recently was set into "sticky" mode when discussion started to get more involved in terms what trades could potentially look like

It's not specifically about how many picks Geelong do or don't have, but also picks other teams have - a valuable tool when looking at potential trade options

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Here's one....

The AFL completely incentivises tanking. The more inept you are, the better the draft hand you receive, and the better a case for compo picks.
Then the AFL punishes tanking and wants to crack down on doing the very thing they incentivised.
Then, when clearly tanking was present, they refuse to do anything about it.

The AFL is trying optimise the system to get sides to tank without looking like they're tanking.

Which brings me to another gripe: priority picks. Adding teenagers to a basket car club just stunts the teenagers development usually with limited improvement to the club in the short term.

AFL assistance for struggling clubs needs to be in the coaching department, specifically for additional development coaches, additional soft cap, additional facilities if required, payouts for underperforming staff not counted in soft cap, AFL sponsored professional development programs for coaches etc

The AFL won't do the above because it costs money. They'd rather do something that won't work but is free

 

[Seeds]

ok i have a few:

the gross disadvantage we face by not getting 11 home games nor home finals against victorian clubs. And on top some nuffies think we are actually advantaged by this. Other posters have already mentioned this. But it needs to keep being said.

grounds are too short and wide on average.

failure of the league to make the fixture fair under a 22 match season. there have been proposals that would of worked. None were implemented.

The fact we use wins and losses to decide ladder positions rather than just percentage.

The gross undervalue of stats.

the misuse of stats.

the fact too many posters take what commentators says as gospel even if they dont think they do.

we hardly wear blue shorts anymore. I like blue.

marks being paid for kicks of 10 metres. The rule should be marks are only paid for kicks longer than 20 metres. Likewise i dont think marks should be paid for kicking the ball backwards. Its an easy rule to officiate.

half cat today vs half cat in the early nineties. Half cat was entertaining when he was trying to knock over, strip or wrestle the other mascot into submission.

lack of standing room at games. Im now tall and finally could take advantage of it. All the kids today should be forced to spend most of the match staring at the backside of the overweight old man in front them peaking between the gaps to get an occassional glimpse at the action. Not to mention experiencing the qtr time toilet dash under everyones legs from the outer wing to the one toilet near the opposite side of the ground.

gary ablett retired. Its just not the same with him gone.

outcomes of the 1993, 2008 and 2013 seasons. Im still fuming.

chris scotts hair fashion. Its a no from me. Be more like Brad.

overrated players continually being collectively overrated. They almost develop their own cult.

the noise they use for the siren. It could be improved upon.

 

[Jeff76]

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[iameviljez]

Likewise i dont think marks should be paid for kicking the ball backwards. Its an easy rule to officiate.

I reckon this would have unpleasant unintended consequences for congestion, because it would strongly discourage sides from switching the ball.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

ok i have a few:

the gross disadvantage we face by not getting 11 home games nor home finals against victorian clubs. And on top some nuffies think we are actually advantaged by this. Other posters have already mentioned this. But it needs to keep being said.

grounds are too short and wide on average.

failure of the league to make the fixture fair under a 22 match season. there have been proposals that would of worked. None were implemented.

The fact we use wins and losses to decide ladder positions rather than just percentage.

The gross undervalue of stats.

the misuse of stats.

the fact too many posters take what commentators says as gospel even if they dont think they do.

we hardly wear blue shorts anymore. I like blue.

marks being paid for kicks of 10 metres. The rule should be marks are only paid for kicks longer than 20 metres. Likewise i dont think marks should be paid for kicking the ball backwards. Its an easy rule to officiate.

half cat today vs half cat in the early nineties. Half cat was entertaining when he was trying to knock over, strip or wrestle the other mascot into submission.

lack of standing room at games. Im now tall and finally could take advantage of it. All the kids today should be forced to spend most of the match staring at the backside of the overweight old man in front them peaking between the gaps to get an occassional glimpse at the action. Not to mention experiencing the qtr time toilet dash under everyones legs from the outer wing to the one toilet near the opposite side of the ground.

gary ablett retired. Its just not the same with him gone.

outcomes of the 1993, 2008 and 2013 seasons. Im still fuming.

chris scotts hair fashion. Its a no from me. Be more like Brad.

overrated players continually being collectively overrated. They almost develop their own cult.

the noise they use for the siren. It could be improved upon.

You raise an interesting one on ladder position. I disagree on your solution but I think we can do better pretty easily.

I think that when you play a side twice those games should be worth 2 premiership points. The addition of points for and against in calculating % should be halved.

Example: we played Sydney twice this year for a draw and a big win. Outcome was 6 premiership points and a large boost to %

If we do it with my alternative we get 3 points and half the %

Advantage here is that if you draw west coast, north, and hawthorn each twice in a year you can't just bank 24 points on the ladder where another side gets 12 from playing them once.

Effectively this means that fairness in fixturing doesn't matter anywhere near as much. You could schedule the top 5 to all play each other twice and just have more better games of footy to watch a week and fewer blow-outs. Bottom 4 sides have more shots at a win. Premiership contenders more risky games.

That this hasn't been done is, to me, mind boggling

 

[Seeds]

I reckon this would have unpleasant unintended consequences for congestion, because it would strongly discourage sides from switching the ball.

I want more congestion though. Congestion is where you get pack marks, roving packs, big tackles, fast handball.

congestion has never been the problem. Coaching strategies to deal with congestion has been the problem. Chip kicking it around the defensive half. Looking for short safe kicks. This is what is boring. A lot of the exciting parts about the game happen in congestion.

 

[Strange Cat]

The boys club mentality in the AFL …get with the times please

 

[iameviljez]

Advantage here is that if you draw west coast, north, and hawthorn each twice in a year you can't just bank 24 points on the ladder where another side gets 12 from playing them once.

The disadvantage is that it over-emphasises home ground advantage against interstate sides that you play only once.

Let's say that you are a Melbourne team, i.e. the Dogs. You play both StKilda and Brisbane once. You'd rather play StKilda "away", whatever that means, and Brisbane at home - a vastly more appealing combo than vice-versa. Now, if the games are effectively worth double, then the advantage or disadvantage is hugely compounded.

 

[Kitcat]

I want more congestion though. Congestion is where you get pack marks, roving packs, big tackles, fast handball.

congestion has never been the problem. Coaching strategies to deal with congestion has been the problem. Chip kicking it around the defensive half. Looking for short safe kicks. This is what is boring. A lot of the exciting parts about the game happen in congestion.

Congestion is boring. It leads to ball up after ball up as players know exactly how to play the system.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

The disadvantage is that it over-emphasises home ground advantage against interstate sides that you play only once.

Let's say that you are a Melbourne team, i.e. the Dogs. You play both StKilda and Brisbane once. You'd rather play StKilda "away", whatever that means, and Brisbane at home - a vastly more appealing combo than vice-versa. Now, if the games are effectively worth double, then the advantage or disadvantage is hugely compounded.

You do but I'd accept it. You just have to alternate.

The benefit of getting double ups against only teams around you would be huge

 

[Kitcat]

ok i have a few:

the gross disadvantage we face by not getting 11 home games nor home finals against victorian clubs. And on top some nuffies think we are actually advantaged by this. Other posters have already mentioned this. But it needs to keep being said.

grounds are too short and wide on average.

failure of the league to make the fixture fair under a 22 match season. there have been proposals that would of worked. None were implemented.

The fact we use wins and losses to decide ladder positions rather than just percentage.

The gross undervalue of stats.

the misuse of stats.

the fact too many posters take what commentators says as gospel even if they dont think they do.

we hardly wear blue shorts anymore. I like blue.

marks being paid for kicks of 10 metres. The rule should be marks are only paid for kicks longer than 20 metres. Likewise i dont think marks should be paid for kicking the ball backwards. Its an easy rule to officiate.

half cat today vs half cat in the early nineties. Half cat was entertaining when he was trying to knock over, strip or wrestle the other mascot into submission.

lack of standing room at games. Im now tall and finally could take advantage of it. All the kids today should be forced to spend most of the match staring at the backside of the overweight old man in front them peaking between the gaps to get an occassional glimpse at the action. Not to mention experiencing the qtr time toilet dash under everyones legs from the outer wing to the one toilet near the opposite side of the ground.

gary ablett retired. Its just not the same with him gone.

outcomes of the 1993, 2008 and 2013 seasons. Im still fuming.

chris scotts hair fashion. Its a no from me. Be more like Brad.

overrated players continually being collectively overrated. They almost develop their own cult.

the noise they use for the siren. It could be improved upon.

Kicking the ball backwards is easy to officiate when it clearly goes backwards but very difficult for the umpires otherwise, unless they are in line with the kick. It would be another pressure on the umps and lead to more disputes. Much easier would be to not allow a mark when the defensive side kicks it back into its defensive arc. It should be play on.

 

[Partridge]

Hawkins jumper punch is one I can think of when it happened at the time - I don't recall too many other suspensions for that action

Perhaps not. Since then (from memory the jumper punching was around 2017), what is not in dispute is that Hawkins has if anything had a very, very good run at the tribunal. Flies in the face of the ongoing conspiracy / insane paranoia that's been permeating for the last few years but it's easy enough to check:

April 2019 - striking against Hawthorn. Fined.
June 2019 - striking against Sydney. Fined.
September 2019 - striking against West Coast. Suspended for 1 week.*
July 2020 - reported for elbowing against West Coast. Cleared.
August 2021 - MRO review v St.Kilda for a tackle when the player was concussed (I wonder if those who say it must be stamped out fully were as vocal then). No case to answer.
August 2021 - MRO review v Melbourne. No case to answer.

Once and for all, that is not the history of a player who is persecuted by the tribunal. One suspension for one week, out of the last six visits, after being found guilty three times.

(* - he was extremely lucky to only get 1 week for belting Schofield. Imagine for half a second if anyone for Hawthorn or Richmond had done what Hawkins did, this board would be frothing at the mouth and demanding 6 weeks minimum. He got 1.)

 

[Turbocat]

It's a sticky'd post, which means it'll appear at the top of each page

The post has been available for most of the year and only recently was set into "sticky" mode when discussion started to get more involved in terms what trades could potentially look like

It's not specifically about how many picks Geelong do or don't have, but also picks other teams have - a valuable tool when looking at potential trade options

This shows why its a unsolvable problem to eradicate irks. Id have thought many more would like it than not.

 

[calder_daddy]

Not being able to watch a game of footy without betting ads every chance they get.

The boring commentary of our grand final win

 

[Kitcat]

These are NOT popular, but...

1.Longstanding gripe of mine is that the competition is inherently unfair until each team plays each team twice, home and away, each season. If this is unpalatable, not feasible, or impossible, then we should have a 2 year system, playing each team only once, then swapping venues the following year.

2. The stupid touched rule. I still don't get why a fingernail touch, or a fist punch, on a ball heading towards goal, is so revered. If defenders can not actually stop the ball going through the goals, it's a goal, as in every other game and code. The ball that is dubiously touched off the boot should be irrelevant if the ball sails through the goals, and I think defending on the goal line should involve marking or pushing the ball back into play. Punching the ball through the goals, or even rushing the ball through opposition goals as a behind is flawed, IMHO.

The touched law stems from rule 3 of the 1859 Rules. Not that it can't be changed but it would take a very good reason to alter a fundamental principle of our unique game. It would mean a goal could be scored not by a kick by an attacking team, but by a hand of a defending team. Altering it because they allow it in other sports is not a good reason.

It would lead to disputes and delays when it is not clear which team touched it last in a pack or a goal mouth scramble.

 

[catempire]

You raise an interesting one on ladder position. I disagree on your solution but I think we can do better pretty easily.

I think that when you play a side twice those games should be worth 2 premiership points. The addition of points for and against in calculating % should be halved.

Example: we played Sydney twice this year for a draw and a big win. Outcome was 6 premiership points and a large boost to %

If we do it with my alternative we get 3 points and half the %

Advantage here is that if you draw west coast, north, and hawthorn each twice in a year you can't just bank 24 points on the ladder where another side gets 12 from playing them once.

Effectively this means that fairness in fixturing doesn't matter anywhere near as much. You could schedule the top 5 to all play each other twice and just have more better games of footy to watch a week and fewer blow-outs. Bottom 4 sides have more shots at a win. Premiership contenders more risky games.

That this hasn't been done is, to me, mind boggling

Intriguing concept.

 

[winty]

The fact we're subjected to the likes of Luke Darcy, BT and Hamish McLachlan on commentary while the superior Nigel Carmody, Jason Bennett, and to a lesser extent Alastair Nicholson rarely get a look in apart from VFL and AFLW coverage.

 

[Turbocat]

Players that miss setshots ... that cost the clubs games ... You look at the history from that spot ... 6 10 13 for eg. ... and the the player misses to the right ..you wonder ..has he ever looked at what he does


Theme rounds have the ability to irk me. While I'm yet to see one that has no merit at all...it seems once you start to focus on one group it only highlights other groups are undervalued or ignored.

In fact.. the politicisation of football irks bigtime. I will leave it there.

White shorts for home games have the potential to irk me. At times ..I have no issues with it ..but when we are playing badly..and the other side is always playing their dark home strip ..it irks me. Geelong are one of the few teams that have an equal amount of white... so we seem to alwasy wear white to avoid clashes I think the Swans GF was the first in recent years where we wore the blue shorts

Kicking over the mark. I dont know how to solve it but I dislike how it is now. Id ratehr conceed 5 metres and see a player kick over the man on the mark. Especially on the boundare like I think grat goals like Elliots would almost be impossible after the sirem

The constant bleating about the game is too long ..or the season is too long . We should reduce quarters by several minutes.. Before any of them are allowed to profer their insiders opinion... they should say they would be willing to take less money to play less.


Mouthy opposition supporters. It used to be fun to stand in the outer and have a see saw of comments with good hearted barbs. Now having to endure Rich or Freo or whoever just seating near me is just irksome.


Opposition theme songs that are longer than 30 seconds... too long. cut it off. Totally irky.


and finally



Hawthorn.

 

[Turbocat]

You raise an interesting one on ladder position. I disagree on your solution but I think we can do better pretty easily.

I think that when you play a side twice those games should be worth 2 premiership points. The addition of points for and against in calculating % should be halved.

Example: we played Sydney twice this year for a draw and a big win. Outcome was 6 premiership points and a large boost to %

If we do it with my alternative we get 3 points and half the %

Advantage here is that if you draw west coast, north, and hawthorn each twice in a year you can't just bank 24 points on the ladder where another side gets 12 from playing them once.

Effectively this means that fairness in fixturing doesn't matter anywhere near as much. You could schedule the top 5 to all play each other twice and just have more better games of footy to watch a week and fewer blow-outs. Bottom 4 sides have more shots at a win. Premiership contenders more risky games.

That this hasn't been done is, to me, mind boggling

Isn't there a sport that you only get 2 points for home games ..but 4 points for away games? What about 2 poinst for games in your own state... and 4 points for out of state.

 

[Cataholic]

The fact we're subjected to the likes of Luke Darcy, BT and Hamish McLachlan on commentary while the superior Nigel Carmody, Jason Bennett, and to a lesser extent Alastair Nicholson rarely get a look in apart from VFL and AFLW coverage.

The broadcasters seem to be hung up on the belief that a commentator is best served by being an ex player.

Simply not true.

The best commentator is one who can articulately describe what they are seeing, and impart the atmosphere, excitement, nervousness, and performances with passion and equality.

 

[cats_09]

This shows why its a unsolvable problem to eradicate irks. Id have thought many more would like it than not.

It's something that Lore makes available to all boards, and some may sticky it early in the season, but it's something I hold off on as I don't really see the value during the first half of the season when there's more unknowns than knowns

Once you get to the back half of the season, things can start to settle and also you start to get a better idea about who's going to re-sign and those more likely to be on the move - having an idea of trade picks that can be in play just seems to help discussion & create less fantasy in trade suggestions where there's minimal possibility

 

[Turbocat]

It's something that Lore makes available to all boards, and some may sticky it early in the season, but it's something I hold off on as I don't really see the value during the first half of the season when there's more unknowns than knowns

Once you get to the back half of the season, things can start to settle and also you start to get a better idea about who's going to re-sign and those more likely to be on the move - having an idea of trade picks that can be in play just seems to help discussion & create less fantasy in trade suggestions where there's minimal possibility

For mine ..ist a quick reference ..not just for the specific number of pick ..but the rounds of the pick. One look and one can see we are Mother Hubbard after our R1

Every year, all year ... that draft thread gains attention.

 

[iameviljez]

Referring to all picks in trade period solely by their Round.

Like, "Geelong paid THREE ROUND ONE picks for Cameron!". Sure, but there's p1 in Round 1, and p18 in Round 1, and the two are nowhere NEAR equivalent.

 

[Turbocat]

I have a new one... AI


What sort of prejudicial crap is this ... its just digital pre judgement that proffers a flawed inexact bias. My goodness... are we are living Space Odyssey 2001? Just how man Harry Potter types have you seen in a Geelong crowd?

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/ai-reveals-what-it-thinks-typical-footy-fans-look-like-from-each-afl-club/news-story/cac4dbec7321210dda4baa87876fc07f

Geelong​

An AI image of a ‘typical Geelong supporter’.
A mix of small-town mindset and Geelong Grammar elitism.

The R M Williams-clad, Young Liberal who splits his time between the family property in Ceres and a boarding house dorm.

That makes sense, given the Cats also enjoy the privilege of having two home grounds.