Thomas to the Blues for 4yrs

[Collingwoodity]

Alight from your high horse good sir...

You guys are in the midst of a mini-rebuild when you should have been joining us on 16 flags. In recent years you've seen Davis and now Thomas and Shaw essentially walk or be pushed from the club with plenty of good football left, and came close to losing Cloke (paying well and truly overs in the process).

Its one thing to not build a premiership list...its a completely different thing to throw one away.

Which year did Collingwood deserve their 16th flag?

 

[Gone Critical]

I don't think we can REALLY call it a medical opinion, unless he has actually examined the Thomas injury. His article is full of crystal balls.
I will just call it a journalistic opinion for now, and simply wait and see what happens next year.

Of course you can. He can discuss the injury Thomas has in general terms. It's part of his field and he understands the nuances of the injury. What he has said isn't provacative at all and in my opinion is a good summation. Of course he needs to examine Thomas if he wants to comment on the specific of that ankle. However he can give a valid medical opinion about the prognosis of the injury in general which he has

 

[Gone Critical]

Alight from your high horse good sir...

You guys are in the midst of a mini-rebuild when you should have been joining us on 16 flags. In recent years you've seen Davis and now Thomas and Shaw essentially walk or be pushed from the club with plenty of good football left, and came close to losing Cloke (paying well and truly overs in the process).

Its one thing to not build a premiership list...its a completely different thing to throw one away.

In light of what Buddy, Tippett and now Daisy are being paid it doesn't seem too overs

 

[jimmy35]

In this instance he is being paid by a TV station because of his expertise. He has no role in the management of the player or access to examine them. When he is at the game understand the limitations he has placed on him and factor that into how accurate he can be. You can hardly condemn him for something he is not in a position to do.

I don't. That's why I'm sceptical of anything he says and he rarely seems to be right because he's guessing.
That was my original point.

 

[Kramer1]

Which year did Collingwood deserve their 16th flag?

All I'll say is that few lists have been better positioned for sustained success than you guys post the 2010 GF. As it stands your getting further away, not closer.

 

[Collingwoodity]

All I'll say is that few lists have been better positioned for sustained success than you guys post the 2010 GF. As it stands your getting further away, not closer.

Geelong deserved 2011 MM was still there btw.

2012? Hawthorn and Sydney were unarguably better sides.

2013? Hawthorn were near unbeatable.

It's difficult to win these flags. It's not always possible to be in a GF each year. Other teams improve. Just like Geelong were "average" in 2012 so were the Pies in 2013.

Of course, it's hard for the pies to be held in the same exemplary light Carlton have displayed over recent years.

 

[Monkey King]

Making a claim like that I assume you have either seen a written opinion or heard it from the surgeon.

There is a risk with the ankle because it has an ongoing complaint. The medical opinion will be that it can be managed not that there is no ongoing issues

Ok. Fair call. Let's clarify ... I'm talking more about ongoing issues as it relates to him playing good football - the only pertinent issue when talking about a compromised player value - which Carlton have said they are satisfied with doctors reports indicating it's is not going to be an issue. It's a bit rich coming from the outside and claiming as fact that this is definitely going to be on ongoing issue and thus, he will definitely not be worth $600k. All I'm saying is that this may or may not be the case. At this point, no one can claim to know otherwise, as much as they feel driven to do so.

 

[Kenno27]

Interesting hearing Paul Connors on Thomas.

Said after his injury against Sandringham in the VFL, 2 neutral surgeons indicated that reconstructive surgery was told had to happen. Also said he needs 4 months off his ankle in any physical form.

 

[etsal1]

Interesting hearing Paul Connors on Thomas.

Said after his injury against Sandringham in the VFL, 2 neutral surgeons indicated that reconstructive surgery was told had to happen. Also said he needs 4 months off his ankle in any physical form.

What are you talking about? He said 1 surgeon suggested a reco but 3 others said otherwise. Also said Collingwood brought him back too early and the 4 month break will now allow him to fully heal. Expects him to play round 1. Funnily enough, Thomas only really thought about leaving Collingwood after hurting his ankle in the VFL, I'm guessing that has nothing to do with Collingwood rushing him back too early?

 

[MarkT2]

Funnily enough, Thomas only really thought about leaving Collingwood after hurting his ankle in the VFL, I'm guessing that has nothing to do with Collingwood rushing him back too early?

WHAT? He refused to sign a contract all year citing wanting to concerntrate on playing good footy even though he wasn't playing and had bugger all else to concentrate on but he only THOUGHT about leaving after trying to make a comeback to play finals? That's just made up nonesense.

 

[etsal1]

WHAT? He refused to sign a contract all year citing wanting to concerntrate on playing good footy even though he wasn't playing and had buggerr all else to concentrate on but he only THOUGHT about leaving after trying to make a comeback to play finals? That's just made up nonesense.

Just repeating what Connors said.

 

[jimmy35]

Just repeating what Connors said.

Did he dismiss the $625k a year rubbish you've been running with as well?

 

[Fadge]

Alight from your high horse good sir...

You guys are in the midst of a mini-rebuild when you should have been joining us on 16 flags. In recent years you've seen Davis and now Thomas and Shaw essentially walk or be pushed from the club with plenty of good football left, and came close to losing Cloke (paying well and truly overs in the process).

Its one thing to not build a premiership list...its a completely different thing to throw one away.

You're obviously not familiar with the concept of list management chump. When you have the structures in place to effectively develop young talent, it is a luxury that one can afford.

There's a reason Collingwood have made the top four on seven separate occasions since the last time Carlton found themselves in such rarefied air.

Maybe if Carlton continue to model themselves on Collingwood for a further five years or so, the penny might eventually drop.

On Davis, if he had so much to offer when he left Collingwood, there were obviously 17 other teams in the competition that failed to see what you saw.

 

[forwardflanker]

Will Carlton delay Dale's ankle surgery so he can go on the annual MM tradeweek book tour? I mean if he goes on the book tour and then the usual surfing trip he probably won't be going under the knife until February or so

 

[Supernova]

Funnily enough, Thomas only really thought about leaving Collingwood after hurting his ankle in the VFL, I'm guessing that has nothing to do with Collingwood rushing him back too early?

Yep, cos im sure the Daisy didn't in any way want to get back on the field after spending so much time on the sidelines and the only reason he did was because Collingwood 'made' him......

Show me one bloke that plays AFL that won't do/say anything they possibly can to play even knowing that they aren't 100% and i'll show you that same bloke who doesn't want/deserve to play the game. I've read some utter tripe in this thread but your post above is right up there with the most stupid of the lot.

 

[Kenno27]

He finished outside the top 5 in 2011, a year in which he was a starter in the all australian and widely regarded as being in the top handful of players in the league.

He was a borderline AA selection that year.

Was in a purple patch that was highlighted by his game against WC that prompted Ross Lyon to describe him as the best player in the game. He then got suspended against St. Kilda the following week and got suspended against Fremantle.

His best year yielded a grand total of 10 Brownlow votes.

 

[De Iulio2Wiggins]

His best year yielded a grand total of 10 Brownlow votes.

These Brownlow posts are the dumbest trolling attempts going around. Of course no-one else gets votes at Collingwood after Pendles and Swan soak them all up, except on odd occasions when the umpires decide to love a random player for a year.

My god the screaming if I had've popped up in 2010 and said Daisy was shit after a 620+ disposal season because he only got 4 votes. But now all the Pies are bitter as because the team is imploding and it's all HERRRF DERRF DIASY GETS NO VOTES.

Cloke's best return is 13 votes, then 7. Obviously he's useless so trade him to us for a second round pick. Kenno pls. 3/10 made me rant.

 

[Fadge]

These Brownlow posts are the dumbest trolling attempts going around. Of course no-one else gets votes at Collingwood after Pendles and Swan soak them all up, except on odd occasions when the umpires decide to love a random player for a year.

My god the screaming if I had've popped up in 2010 and said Daisy was shit after a 620+ disposal season because he only got 4 votes. But now all the Pies are bitter as because the team is imploding and it's all HERRRF DERRF DIASY GETS NO VOTES.

Cloke's best return is 13 votes, then 7. Obviously he's useless so trade him to us for a second round pick. Kenno pls. 3/10 made me rant.

Beams polled 19 votes in 2012. Guess he was just a random player the umps loved for a year.

Obviously you're not familiar with the track record of key position players on Brownlow night?

 

[smiddaz123]

These Brownlow posts are the dumbest trolling attempts going around. Of course no-one else gets votes at Collingwood after Pendles and Swan soak them all up, except on odd occasions when the umpires decide to love a random player for a year.

My god the screaming if I had've popped up in 2010 and said Daisy was shit after a 620+ disposal season because he only got 4 votes. But now all the Pies are bitter as because the team is imploding and it's all HERRRF DERRF DIASY GETS NO VOTES.

Cloke's best return is 13 votes, then 7. Obviously he's useless so trade him to us for a second round pick. Kenno pls. 3/10 made me rant.

Cool meltdown. You must be a happy person in general.

 

[Kenno27]

Of course no-one else gets votes at Collingwood after Pendles and Swan soak them all up

Collingwood's team total in 2011 was a league record.

 

[Black Flag]

yeah, this brownlow argument is lame.

 

[Kenno27]

yeah, this brownlow argument is lame.

Not really but even if it is lame, $700 k per year for a player who has played 8 completed seasons of football & has 1 top 10 B&F finish is a telling indicator.

 

[Black Flag]

Not really but even if it is lame, $700 k per year for a player who has played 8 completed seasons of football & has 1 top 10 B&F finish is a telling indicator.

mate, with respect, you barrack for adelaide. i don't think too many ppl in this thread care what you say.

 

[forwardflanker]

mate, with respect, you barrack for adelaide. i don't think too many ppl in this thread care what you say.

He makes a reasonable point imo. It's pretty absurd to shut him down because of the team he barracks for.

 

[Pie in the Sky]

mate, with respect, you barrack for adelaide. i don't think too many ppl in this thread care what you say.

Somehow I doubt he's an Adelaide supporter.

Brownlow argument is pretty silly, he's not a big accumulator of the ball, you don't expect 30 touches a week from him. I'm not sure how he'll go in the future but I don't see the need to talk him down, I'm sure we wouldn't have a flag without him.