Thoughts on Collingwood's win v Adelaide

[TownleyTime]

the crows are an average side, middle of the road yet were giving the pies all sorts of problems. It wasnt just as simple as flicking the switch and crushing them into the ground, the crows share a bit of responsibility in that, looks impressive an 11 goal burst but my question is can you do it against top notch sides when the heat is really on?.

You do realize that as average as Adelaide are, they have beaten Geelong & Hawthorn the last time they played these sides.

 

[earlsta]

We're average now, but in a couple of years we'll be dominating, you just saw a taste of what's to come.
Our team is very very young more in terms of games played than age itself, but still very young overall.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Btw can someone explain the concept of a forward press to me..

It's the thing all the good clubs are doing, although nobody ever mentioned it until about a week ago, and apparently Collingwood did it last year too.

 

[The_cockateil]

Missing: Jolly, Brownx2, Toovs, Didak is playing poorly.

Teams are challenging us, and are going the extra yards to try and see how they fare to the benchmark. Mick is really testing waters out and shuffling players around to see who can really take a spot in the 22.

 

[Dangerwooodlett]

the crows are an average side, middle of the road yet were giving the pies all sorts of problems. It wasnt just as simple as flicking the switch and crushing them into the ground, the crows share a bit of responsibility in that, looks impressive an 11 goal burst but my question is can you do it against top notch sides when the heat is really on?.

doubt it. crows got overrun by port after all. if they think they can flick the switch against the top sides they are delusional.

overated.

 

[Magpie Mick]

Pies went through a similar patch same time last year drawing to Melbourne and losing to Geelong and Brisbane in a three match period before hitting form again and playing awesome football in the latter half of the season. They will not peak until round 14 or 15, then look out!

 

[MarkT2]

Who knows what it all means. Very frustrating first 3 quarters. Jolly, Johnson, Brown, Brown, Toovey all missing and Didak and Maxwell playing like players who missed too much of the pre season. Yet still with only 1 narrow loss to to Geelong. Pies have made a habit of big last quarters except for their 1 loss. I think there is plenty of upside in the fitness and form of some key players.

We wouldn't want to be without Jolly come finals.

 

[forwardflanker]

doubt it. crows got overrun by port after all. if they think they can flick the switch against the top sides they are delusional.

overated.

last years gf and the way in which we made your mob look pathetic in the prelim makes me think otherwise.

We are in second gear atm, things are going to seem pretty straight forward by about round 17. Hawthorn are the only side with any chance imo and a lot has to go there way.

Geelong are done, might have a great top 12 but are carrying way to many duds - will get found in finals just like last season.

 

[CrimsonRaven]

Watching Collingwood in the last quarter was ridiculous. It was like there were'nt any Crows players even out there. It was just, hitout (didnt matter who won, Collingwood took it away), Collingwood Clearance, Boot inside fifty, mark and goal or spill collect and goal. Rinse and repeat.

I didnt see the rest of the game, but was pretty annoyed seeing as I had the Crows at odds of 10.40.

 

[Magma]

it was pretty terrible even when we had a 5 goal lead that we had a feeling we wouldnt be able to finish it off. the team is too inexperienced and just couldn't hang with a top team. davis, porplyzia, mckay and vince add valuable experience to these situations which guys like l thompson, matty wright, mckernan, gunston dont have, and they got overrawed by a much more experienced, fitter and stronger team in the end.

 

[Art Corvelay]

Adelaide nearly beat us last year in Rd 21 at the MCG. From memory they got through the zone with relative ease and pressured us out of defense, forcing a lot of wayward kicks and errors. Having said that, we did kick 6.18 that night

 

[PieNSauce]

Not the way I'd like to see us winning games but a few things to consider. Firstly it stands to reason that with the season Adelaide have been having they would have had to put in a super human effort to get as far ahead as they did. Unfortunately for them they were never allowed to get more than a few goals in front and the Pies poured on the pressure after half time and especially in the last when a number of the Crows boys had spent all their pennies. Secondly, I would have expected that with Jolly back in the middle we wouldn't have conceded quite so many clearances. Add to that the fact that our side was thrown around with guys playing well out of position due to the absence of Brown, BJ and Toovey and I don't think you can be too disappointed with our first half. Time will tell but the big thing for opposition teams to note is that clearly we don't have quite the depth this year so we'll need to keep our guns fit at the pointy end.

 

[E Shed]

I think Jason Dunstall summed it up well. It was a microcosm of Collingwood's year, Ali, Rope a Dope. Adelaide took it up & troubled them with their version of the press. Press is physically taxing to keep up for 4 quarters, when it broke, Collingwood showed a top gear that is unstoppable.

Dunstall then concluded that come Rd 15, all sides except Collingwood will be physically shot employing these press tactics. He was bang on.

Now that IS interesting. There are some on our board who have been complaining Freo hasn't played the press early this year. Last year we did it really well early and got the wins on the board but were shot ducks by about round 15. Will be very interesting to see how West Coast & Essendon go toward the end of the year.

As for the OP, Adelaide looked as good as they have all year (Sloane makes such a difference for a young player) but Collingwood were downright scary when they got going.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I like that people are choosing to ignore the fact that Collingwood basically haven't employed their press all year.

Experimentation would be an understatement at this point. Personally, I'd prefer to at least STRUCTURALLY be playing like last year, but I can understand the reasoning in experimentation when you're the best side in the comp.

Can be misconstrued as arrogance though.

 

[Macca19]

Adelaide have been good at making teams pay for being inaccurate. They beat Hawthorn (hit the post 5 times in the second half) and St Kilda (9.17, more scoring shots than Adelaide) and made Collingwood pay (2.10, equal scoring shots) for their inaccuracy in the first half.

I think all it says is that Collingwood were wasteful with the ball (7 missed set shots before half time) and had to go up an extra gear to win the game. Any thought that they have been worked out etc. is a bit early for mine.

 

[1980GFVideo]

The game this year that confirms that we might aswell hand them the cup now.

How many teams can run around in second gear and then half way the last quarter hit the lead and win by more than forty. Just hope it was more Adelaides insipidness but they were good for so much of the game.

Heres hoping Hawthorn and Geelong can carry the hopes for us all.

 

[piesaregreat]

Last year Collingwood had trouble maintaining the press for four quarters and fell away in the final quarter. That was with four interchanges.
This year teams are trying the forward press against us with three interchanges and get smashed in the last quarter.

Geelong don't play the forward press instead have tweeked their own successful gameplan.

Collingwood is tweeking its gameplan and has been successful 7 out of 8

 

[SAINTACLAUSE]

i think maxwell is a complete spud and a worse premiership captain than tom harley

 

[KissStephanie]

i think maxwell is a complete spud and a worse premiership captain than tom harley

Nick Maxwell was an All-Australian in 2009, and close again last year in a premiership season, but this year he hasn't been fully fit yet since his serious internal injuries during the NAB Cup. St.Kilda however only have one premiership captain to compare, and I don't expect that to change in the foreseeable future. He was wearing Des Tuddenham's Collingwood jumper after the match too!

 

[Sttew]

Pretty awesome win IMO.

 

[PTP]

Not surprised - you are a Saint fan after all

And clearly know very little about football.

Harley was a fine player and, more importantly, part of a real team.

Maxwell - ditto. Leadership is not always about being a glamour player and so called superstar.

Not something the Saints know much about, is it?

Otherwise Lenny would be captain!

 

[hellfire]

It was a combination of things. A few key outs for us, some ridiculous positioning that messed with our structure, Adelaide's excellent pressure... Adelaide's gameplan always gives us fits, and Craig seems to regularly out-coach Malthouse. Our intensity was well down in the first half - a common theme so far for 2011, so perhaps it's deliberate to avoid burning out given the smaller bench - and the Crows mids were walking out of stoppages. They were getting first use EVERY time, and our mids were simply spectating.

Also, there was no pressure coming from our forwards [Macaffer out, Davis in defence, Sidebottom playing more midfield, and sheer laziness from others], and they were rebounding through the corridor before we could set up. Did we "flick" a switch in the second half? Probably, to an extent. But the players would have got a rocket from Mick, there was a noticeable rise in intent and aggression. We put our best mids into the centre bounces, won the ball, forced it forward and locked it in with greater intensity. The Crows tired too, and as a result, we kicked 11 in 19 minutes. We can't afford the same approach next week, the Eagles are looking the goods over 4 quarters.

 

[MarkT2]

i think maxwell is a complete spud and a worse premiership captain than tom harley

If Maxwell was a St. Kilda defender and captain they'd probably have at least 1 flag, maybe 2, from the last 2 years. He's had a poor year thus far. So have a few others at Collingwood. Meanwhile St. Kilda's leadership is serving it well.

 

[Powerstufff]

.........Adelaide took it up & troubled them with their version of the press. Press is physically taxing to keep up for 4 quarters, when it broke, Collingwood showed a top gear that is unstoppable.........

That's a start but more to it than that. Adelaide does not have the depth of talent that Collingwood has but played better than them for much of the game, and their early conversion was merciless. Even when the Pies began to fight back they were just barely shading Adelaide who didn't really crack until the final quarter. From then on it was a mental thing as the huge Collingwood crowd roared and Dale Thomas played his heart out. You could see Collingwood switch on and then Adelaide were gone. I don't think it was ever the physicality of it. But I agree Collingwood's top gear is unstoppable.

 

[conodie05]

i think maxwell is a complete spud and a worse premiership captain than tom harley

Atypical response from a supporter of a club that struggles to kick 11 goals in a game, let alone 25 minutes.