Player Watch Tim Broomhead - (Delisted 2020)

[AmellyPies]

I think all of is want Broomhead to succeed but i think were also worried due to injury and application maybe this wont be the case.

I agree with some posters that our 2012 draft of kennedy...Broomhead really isn't looking that great..

With shazz and freemans injuries of 2013......i know we got aish but gee how unlucky

Why do you continue to outline "application", Just because he doesn't celebrate off his head after a goal, He's a quite bloke and the club knows that. Broomhead is way better then Kennedy, stupid comparison.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Why do you continue to outline "application", Just because he doesn't celebrate off his head after a goal, He's a quite bloke and the club knows that. Broomhead is way better then Kennedy, stupid comparison.

Is it really??

 

[AmellyPies]

Is it really??

Broomhead is a class above Kennedy, Kennedy can't kick and struggles around goal, Broomy is quick, nimble and a great kick. Plus Kennedy has a shit tat and a terrible haircut.

 

[Bay Pie]

I like the lad and he'll get a chance early on with Elliott and Howe unlikely early starters up forward. He has some attributes that we need but he'll get passed pretty soon with the depth we have in our midfield and across HF, if he doesn't get a decent run at it and take those opportunities.

 

[MarkT2]

I think we disagree on the basis of what makes a premiership side. For me it's the top of the list that counts. Depth and good 16-30 players help but you don't get anywhere without the class.

All premiership sides have average players running around in them. That's where we differ. White is nothing like vital to our flag build. He doesn't have to last for us as a player. But when we get our next flag White or players of similar influence to him will be lucky to be along for the ride and will play their part

For mine that happens with every flag side

I don't think we disagree on what makes a premiership side. The class is what we have lacked for the most part of half a century bar the 2 flag sides. Role players are vital to every list. That's what Brown was. What we disagree on is White. He's a poor mark for his height and weight. He's fast and agile for his size but he's nowhere near the ground player as someone smaller but as quick. Consequently he doesn't have role that he has the capacity to fill. He just doesn't have the footy nouse d skill set. In a lot of ways he is a poor mans Josh Fraser and we didn't win a flag until, he was pushed out.

 

[Gone Critical]

I don't think we disagree on what makes a premiership side. The class is what we have lacked for the most part of half a century bar the 2 flag sides. Role players are vital to every list. That's what Brown was. What we disagree on is White. He's a poor mark for his height and weight. He's fast and agile for his size but he's nowhere near the ground player as someone smaller but as quick. Consequently he doesn't have role that he has the capacity to fill. He just doesn't have the footy nouse d skill set. In a lot of ways he is a poor mans Josh Fraser and we didn't win a flag until, he was pushed out.

We are derailing this a little but White IMHO can play the Brown role. He will probably kick a few more goals than Brown but not do the bullocking as well. Swings and roundabouts. Role players who get to play in a flag are always looked on more kindly. Brown copped plenty from his own supporters over a career but came up in the world once he played in a flag.

 

[pablo disco bar]

We are derailing this a little but White IMHO can play the Brown role. He will probably kick a few more goals than Brown but not do the bullocking as well. Swings and roundabouts. Role players who get to play in a flag are always looked on more kindly. Brown copped plenty from his own supporters over a career but came up in the world once he played in a flag.

Indont think Broomheads position is affected by whites form...


Lol just getting topic back on track ☺

 

[doodles98]

last 3 pages of this thread... absolute bigfooty gold!

 

[Gone Critical]

Indont think Broomheads position is affected by whites form...


Lol just getting topic back on track ☺

I was thinking that myself. Have passed a minor warning notice onto myself just now.

 

[sr36]

I agree with some posters that our 2012 draft of kennedy...Broomhead really isn't looking that great..

Have a re-look at the draft and check out who else was available. After Grundy, we took Broomhead, Ramsay, Kennedy, Martin, Dwyer, Oxley and Frost. All of them were/are thereabouts in terms of having an AFL career. Even if Broomhead, Ramsay, Frost and Kennedy don't make it at AFL level, they were still good picks as they are a lot more likely than most who were available. Having said that, our decision to trade into the late first round of that draft wasn't a good one.

 

[MarkT2]

Exactly sr36.

 

[pablo disco bar]

I think we should just play him

 

[THATSGOLD]

I'm starting to have doubts too, however for different reasons.

Simply, I can't see his body holdings up, he's so slight and hasn't seemed to put on muscle. Some players bodies just can't stand the rigours of AFL footy...

However, his decision making is elite, and his skill set is up there as well, even if he doesn't 'look' like a footballer or 'look 'interested', he's got the tools to become an absolute jet.

Rory Sloane says hi.

 

[sr36]

He's an interesting one. At times I see Craig Bradley, but most of the time I don't see him at all.

 

[swoop42]

Important year for Broomhead.

If he isn't able to become a regular senior player this season then he might look elsewhere for more opportunity or be used as trade bait.

Competition for spots will be hot and with even younger talent pushing there claims he'll find himself in the VFL for large chunks if he doesn't produce a career best season.

The present injuries to Elliott and Howe opens up an early season opportunity though he looks to have some slight injury concern himself from last weeks game.

 

[jackcass]

I can't see this list winning a flag without significant new additions and the recruits of 2012 & 2013 will not have much impact apart from Grundy who we would have had anyway. WCE weren't going to take him. If you really want to look at cause and effect I'll stand by what I said and what I have said all along. We blew our chance and if we do win one from here, and it's always a huge if, it won't be due to that reload it will be due subsequent recruiting which we could have done regardless.

What's done is done and now we have to start with what we have now. That requires a lot top go right. T\the off season signings of Treloar and Aish with the prior recruitment of De Goey will be factors if we win a flag but the prior 2 years will be all but irrelevant save for what we would have anyway via the draft. Had 2012 & 13 gone to plan we'd be clear contenders now. It hasn't and we aren't.

So let me get this right...

In 2012 if we'd have retained our aging injury ravaged superstars, kept Dawes and Wellingham, grabbed some of the available FA and trade talent like Hamish McIntosh, Tom Lee, Campbell Heath, and David Rodan while still managing to get Grundy via the draft, we'd have won the flag...

And further, in 2013 if we'd retained our injury ravaged aging superstars and grabbed some of the available trade and FA talent like Dylan Addison, Colin Sylvia, Robin Nahas, Josh Hunt and Chappy, while still managing to grab Shaz in the draft, we'd have won another flag....

And even further still, if those old crocks were still on our list, we retained Beams and we could grab some of the available FA and trade talent on offer like Taylor Hunt, Sam Blease, Adam Cooney and Liam Jones, while still adding Moore via the draft, we'd have won another flag...

Is that what you're suggesting...

 

[jackcass]

What could he realistically add to his arsenal that would make him a best 22 player in a premiership side given his age and exposed form? The decision is already overdue.

It's not just about White, he'll be surpassed eventually but the onus is on the kid to prove they offer more. At the moment his averages across his career still have him ahead of Witts, Moore, Grundy, Cox and Gault as a forward option.

 

[doodles98]

So let me get this right...

In 2012 if we'd have retained our aging injury ravaged superstars, kept Dawes and Wellingham, grabbed some of the available FA and trade talent like Hamish McIntosh, Tom Lee, Campbell Heath, and David Rodan while still managing to get Grundy via the draft, we'd have won the flag...

And further, in 2013 if we'd retained our injury ravaged aging superstars and grabbed some of the available trade and FA talent like Dylan Addison, Colin Sylvia, Robin Nahas, Josh Hunt and Chappy, while still managing to grab Shaz in the draft, we'd have won another flag....

And even further still, if those old crocks were still on our list, we retained Beams and we could grab some of the available FA and trade talent on offer like Taylor Hunt, Sam Blease, Adam Cooney and Liam Jones, while still adding Moore via the draft, we'd have won another flag...

Is that what you're suggesting...

You are the only one suggesting this. He didn't mention retaining old players once in his post. He was critical of the 2012/13 drafting. 2012 was a pass in my book but 2013 has hurt us (great late picks aside) because there were much better picks we overlooked in taking Freeman and Shaz.

 

[Old Spice]

Broomhead is well over-rated on output.

We all hope he'll advance but at this point he'll be lucky to be best 22, let alone a mid mainstay. Some people on this board are obsessed with idiosyncratic types who run their own show (I wonder why that might be?) and Broomhead fits that bill.

But he is waaaay off the standard at the moment and doesn't need to be flattered and feted by fans so much as given some very realistic targets to reach and sustain.

 

[Anzacday]

Broomhead is well over-rated on output.

We all hope he'll advance but at this point he'll be lucky to be best 22, let alone a mid mainstay. Some people on this board are obsessed with idiosyncratic types who run their own show (I wonder why that might be?) and Broomhead fits that bill.

But he is waaaay off the standard at the moment and doesn't need to be flattered and feted by fans so much as given some very realistic targets to reach and sustain.

I'm sure he's been given those.
He's polish we need and I hope he gets a decent run at it.

 

[jackcass]

You are the only one suggesting this. He didn't mention retaining old players once in his post. He was critical of the 2012/13 drafting. 2012 was a pass in my book but 2013 has hurt us (great late picks aside) because there were much better picks we overlooked in taking Freeman and Shaz.

It was a joke Joyce, just an extreme extrapolation of his point.

As to better players being available than Shaz and Freeman, well ain't hindsight a wonderful thing... both players obviously came with the pre-draft rider that they'd have injuries that would keep them out of footy for 2 years and potentially longer. They're not the first highly touted draftees to have issues, Menzel, Vardy and McCarthy come easily to mind. How was Petracca's first year? How was Hogan's? And who can say how their careers will pan out going forward. We can't re-write history so I'm not sure why we bother speculating and lamenting about what might of been, particularly when it leads to definitive statements about what we would/should/could have achieved.

 

[MarkT2]

So let me get this right...

In 2012 if we'd have retained our aging injury ravaged superstars, kept Dawes and Wellingham, grabbed some of the available FA and trade talent like Hamish McIntosh, Tom Lee, Campbell Heath, and David Rodan while still managing to get Grundy via the draft, we'd have won the flag...

And further, in 2013 if we'd retained our injury ravaged aging superstars and grabbed some of the available trade and FA talent like Dylan Addison, Colin Sylvia, Robin Nahas, Josh Hunt and Chappy, while still managing to grab Shaz in the draft, we'd have won another flag....

And even further still, if those old crocks were still on our list, we retained Beams and we could grab some of the available FA and trade talent on offer like Taylor Hunt, Sam Blease, Adam Cooney and Liam Jones, while still adding Moore via the draft, we'd have won another flag...

Is that what you're suggesting...

No that extreme set of implausible scenarios following for your errant assessment of the then list isn't what I am suggesting or have argued for 3 years.

 

[TW Sherrin]

he's been around a while and whilst he has had injuries, the clock is ticking.

I can see him being traded to SA at seasons end if he doesn't have a good year.

 

[jackcass]

No that extreme set of implausible scenarios following for your errant assessment of the then list isn't what I am suggesting or have argued for 3 years.

Thanks for clarifying that for me. So exactly what hypothetical scenario would have seen us with additional silverware in the cabinet?

 

[MarkT2]

Thanks for clarifying that for me. So exactly what hypothetical scenario would have seen us with additional silverware in the cabinet?

Decisions are not taken or measurable in isolation. I've discussed it often in other threads before and been told people are sick of it. IMO we zigged when we should have zagged. Of course there are no guarantees of silverware but we couldn't have won less and we wouldn't likely be worse off now.